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STOLEN In Registered Mail: marginal 1913 5/- Roo "ENGLISH MAIL" TPO cancel

I mailed this very pretty stamp to a member here interstate, Registered Post early May, and it has gone missing. :roll:

Presumably nicked by someone in the postal service, and that is really disappointing. :twisted:

He is the CEO of a highly respected organisation, and I have no doubt at all that he did not receive it. He has been overseas on a long vacation and has only now got to chasing it up.

However it is a very distinctive stamp, and in fact several folks wanted to buy it when I listed it up, as it is so striking looking.

So just in case someone nicked it, and quietly consigns it to a real auction somewhere, or on ebay, 15,000 sets of member eyes, and many times that in "lurkers" - and the google match to this thread, might just let us nab the thief - hence I started this thread. :idea:

Please contact me or Dan direct if you hear or see it offered anywhere, and we may see justice done in the end.

I compensated him the standard compensation fee available from the PO, but that is not the point. It should NOT have been stolen in the first place. :idea:

Also the PO compensation $$ level has not increased for over 50 years since Decimal Currency in 1966 - I kid you not, despite the Registered fee being hiked 20 fold. :roll: :twisted:

More on that here - https://www.glenstephens.com/snjune15.html

For more valuable sendings like this, I urge folks to have the sending insured. Much like travel insurance - we almost never need it or use it, but it is still very sound policy and I take it for ALL trips.

For a small extra fee you get full cover over the PO sum, should something be damaged or lost. For credit card orders I add generally on that fee, but this was a paypal payment, and only Registered was requested, and paid for.

It was only a few $100, and not a few $1000 very luckily, but we need be mindful that Registered mail to home addresses here is not as safe as it once was. I always urge clients now to give me a PO box address, if they have access to one. :idea:

So please keep your eyes open folks. Take a good hard look at this stamp and file it away in your memory bank, and DO contact me if you see it around.

It must be somewhere out there. :roll:
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Kangaroo 1913 First Watermark 5/-, Superb Used Margin copy: This stamp POSTALLY used is quite rare. Plenty of CTOs out there. Exact same number printed as the 3 higher 1913 values and in used, exactly as scarce. Has ‘ENGLISH MAIL - OUT’ TPO cancel from Melbourne.

Trains went overnight from MEL to Adelaide, to catch the sailing ships at Largs Bay, gaining 2 days over sail time – more detail here - https://www.tinyurl.com/n2ywtcv So this was used on a parcel for 10,000 miles to the UK.

Superb deep Chrome Yellow colour, clean, flat, fresh and free of usual creases, tears and foxing. A BEAUTY. A commercial used high value, still having the interpanneau central gutter, is literally as rare as one having a margin Monogram. (ACSC $25,000 for a used single - think about it!)
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Hi Glen -

That's a real shame.

I am sure you are probably already aware, but just in case you're not, and for other members, I wanted to mention the reverse image search you can do via either Google Chrome or TinEye. Both methods are available on Chrome, if you don't see it, you need to add the plug-in.

By right clicking an image, you can select to search the internet for similar images. If someone does upload a scan of the stamp anywhere on the web, one or both of these methods stands a good chance of finding it.

Perhaps if you create a "Missing in Action" sticky, it would prompt members to run searches on a regular basis so none of the missing stamps are forgotten.

Hope this helps.

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Yes keep some global eyes out for this stamp folks. 8)

I just checked tineye and after searching 6 BILLION images, no matches were found.

If it has been stolen in mail system, someone of our 15,000 members WILL see if it being offered on ebay, or via real auctions etc.

The buyer was most gracious re the loss - as he said, it was not really the money - he just was keen to own the stamp as he collects Kangaroos AND English Mail cancels and this one was a double banger for his collection.

I am confident that it will turn up somewhere. It is probably the UNIQUE existing copy of the 1913 5/- Kangaroo First Watermark stamp with an "ENGLISH MAIL" cancel, and especially so being an interpanneau gutter margin copy.

Stealing this, is like stealing the Mona Lisa - darn hard to "fence"! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Thanks Glen... this is great service and initiative... fingers crossed...
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Has this stamp ever resurfaced Glen? Sad, very sad if it hasnt!

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Nothing reported to me, but who knows .. we MAY snag the thief one day via this thread. :idea: :twisted:
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no stamp, but Glen was very good about it all...
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Global Administrator wrote:
If it has been stolen in mail system, someone of our 15,000 members WILL see if it being offered on ebay, or via real auctions etc.

Stealing this, is like stealing the Mona Lisa - darn hard to "fence"! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Just a timely "bump" for this - some member somewhere, will see this stolen stamp offered. :twisted:
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Glen,

Would it pay to place this thread along with any similar in the "Announcements" area?

You would not have to keep reviving it to keep it in view then and all members would be able to quickly view any updates.

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P.S. Good Luck.
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electric chook wrote:Glen,

Would it pay to place this thread along with any similar in the "Announcements" area?

You would not have to keep reviving it to keep it in view then and all members would be able to quickly view any updates.

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Thanks Glen and administrators for keeping the search 'open' really appreciate it... it hurts to see the lovely thing here... instead of in my ENGLISH MAIL collection... Cheers guys and have a great 2016!
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In my experience of items missing in transit they are usually not stolen but just in the wrong place. Mink coats in Madrid instead of New York. Goods in the wrong warehouse, Coffee trucks shunted up the wrong siding etc. I hope that the PO comes clean if this item turns up.

Stamp dealers tell me that they lose more incoming mail. I suppose the reason is fairly obvious.

The trend with outgoing mail is to make the item look as dull as possible and not use a number of attractive stamps.
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chrisb wrote:In my experience of items missing in transit they are usually not stolen but just in the wrong place.
These are my thoughts too. I recently had a letter returned to me after I had mailed it to an address only 300 km away on June 17, 2015. Where the letter was in these 6 months, I would never learn.

If a letter is mis-delivered and ends up in the wrong mail box, it can stay there for months. Are registered letters in Australia left in mail boxes? I do not know..... In Canada, they stay at the PO and require a signature.
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Last year a registered letter from France went curious ways. I bought a Penny Black plate 11 and the cover never arrived.

It arrived in Germany but went back to France.

German Post says it is lost :(

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chrisb wrote:In my experience of items missing in transit they are usually not stolen but just in the wrong place.
These are my thoughts too. I recently had a letter returned to me after I had mailed it to an address only 300 km away on June 17, 2015. Where the letter was in these 6 months, I would never learn.

If a letter is mis-delivered and ends up in the wrong mail box, it can stay there for months. Are registered letters in Australia left in mail boxes? I do not know..... In Canada, they stay at the PO and require a signature.
In theory; registered letters are supposed to be kept at the post office and collected with a verified signature......

however, in practice it is not unknown for registered articles to be left in mailboxes, on doorsteps, or to disappear into the ether.
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Time was when postal employees (read: deliverers) needed what amounted to police checks before being employed. Now much of the service is contracted out to ... whoever gets the job.

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Well three years on, we have a happy ending. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Two guys yesterday turned up here to sell me some stamps. A small bagful of pretty modern stamps torn off mail ............. and an envelope with this 5/- Roo in there. :mrgreen:

Amazing - I am about the only stamp dealer left in the Sydney Metro area these days, so most stuff for sale here ends up at my door. Five of six million people or so here, hence lots of Estates, and divorces, and downsizing etc.

Ranges from 10 cartons of albums from Dad's house worth many $1000s, to a near empty and foxed kid's book found in an attic etc, and worth 20c. And truly everything in between. Every week. :mrgreen:

Anyway this stamp is soooooooooo distinctive, I recognised it immediately. Casually asked where the stamps came from, and the answer was "ummm, from when I was young". Yeah, with worthless very modern kiloware, and a stolen Hi-Val Roo!

Young Lebanese guys, not the types to argue with for SURE, so I casually offered $100 cash, and that seemed about the right mark, and off they went. My place is on the side of a cliff, and their car was way down on the street, so could not even note the car plate.

Whether they nicked it from the mail somewhere in Australia Post's totally broken Registered system, or got it from someone who did etc, I'll never know. Clearly the retail is 4 times that, so they knew little about stamps.

Very odd it has taken a couple of years for it to surface, but if I did not buy it, it would likely have disappeared forever via GumTree or a Pawnbroker etc, and Dan would never have got the stamp, that he paid for years back.

If Dan advises me of his current mailing address, he'll get it back FINALLY! 8)

A "Good News" story surely. :idea:

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What an Awesome Good News story.
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:shock: :D Cool ...a very happy ending!....( while you're at it play the lottery! 8) )
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Almost unbelievable! :) :shock:
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Incredible story! While, as you mentioned, you were probably the most likely person to intercept it, the odds seemed pretty low after 3 years! Great news.
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Great news, Glen. Thanks for the update!
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Great result. Great buying Glen.

It is a nice stamp and I hope Dan gets to enjoy it.

A story for "Stamp News" maybe?
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Almost unbelievable!
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Congrats to Glen for finding the missing Kangaroo and returning it to Dan!

For some twisted reason I thought of those photos people take of their Garden Gnome on holidays showing all the fun places it had been.

"This is one of the Roo relaxing beside the hotel pool, this is one of the Roo at the Grand Canyon......."

Nice happy ending.
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Amazing story. Glad that the stamp is back to the right owner.
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Glen

I hope you have checked your security tapes to see if they were checking out your security.

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Amazing story, what odds would you have on that :!:
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BigSaint wrote:Amazing story, what odds would you have on that :!:
Pretty high odds actually Brad, as sellers of stamps in Sydney have precious few places to take things to. So much of it comes to me to look at, as I am close to city, with no parking issues, and I "buy it all" and pay cash. :lol:

As per photos in a past thread here, and as most members know who have visited here, I have far more security cameras here than most banks. All data backed up on The Cloud.

4 more units were added last month actually. I have 3 huge commercial grade IR LED cameras covering the driveway area alone, the only way to enter, all with audio movement alarm sensors so unless someone abseils in via a Helicopter, no issues. :mrgreen:

I've written many articles on stamp collectors totally overlooking home security, and sadly, most still take no notice. :roll: :roll:

For what many cheerfully spend with me on one stamp, they could have a pretty high level 8 or 16 camera system in place. It lowers your home insurance premiums, so essentially pays for itself, plus the peace of mind. :idea:

We had that insane situation last year where PHILAS auctions in Sydney was stolen from repeatedly, and even that big operation had ZERO cameras in the whole building. Charles Dickens stuff, it really is. :roll: :roll: :roll:

End result, THEY ended up paying the vendors out for the thefts - about $30,000+ (of stamp collectors money I might add), as they also stupidly were NOT insured, when for $1,000 for a good system they'd have got the theft on cameras from many angles. :shock: :shock:

Did not even call in Police, despite having a VERY Senior ex Cop on the PHILAS Committee, who strongly urged they do so, (and I hear was outvoted) and especially as they knew WHO the culprit was.

So after that spectacular inaction they get stolen from AGAIN, a few months later, and STILL no security cameras! This is like reading a rejected Monty Python script -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=67490

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Fantastic Story - the muggers mugged!!
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I would still report it to the police. With all the cameras there, surely you have clear images of these idiots.

I am sure that they would also have been casing the place.

Lets hope the roo finally arrives at Dans place. Who knows with Aust post these days!
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Dear GLEN and all your members ... I am totally amazed. :mrgreen:

I resigned myself to the fact it was gone forever... GLEN, I thank you for your integrity, and your terrific memory!

I cannot express how thankful, and truly in awe I am of your determination to put this three year missing marsupial to his right paddock ...

Thanks to everyone who were watching, and mate, I'll never forget this ...

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Dan's Kangaroo is again hopping across to Adelaide as I type this .. let's pray AP do not lose it AGAIN! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I am pleased to advise all that the "ENGLISH MAIL OUT T.P.O." 5/- Kangaroo has arrived in Danmagpies collection, and is now a cherished item heading up his English Mail Kangaroos. :mrgreen:

The story behind this stamp adds no value, but what an insightful advertisement it is the for Philatelic Community in Australia - a community that is fair, generous, honest and helpful.

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Registered mail to home addresses here is not as safe as it once was. I always urge clients now to give me a PO Box address, if they have access to one. :idea:

Glen - I loved the result of this thread, and I totally agree with your comments as shown above, yet I still get the request for a residential address as I'm told no one lives in a box -- but where I am there is no postal deliveries!!!

I feel safer sending to a P.O.Box than I do to a residential address.
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Mandarin

I used to have this issue on ebay with P.O. Box 2763.

I now write it as P.O. B0X 2763 & now no problem.

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Absolutely incredible !!!!

Not in a million years would I have given ANY hope to this stamp turning up again.

Plus, what are the chances of this stamp turning up at Glen's place again ??

I think Dan is very lucky that he purchased off someone with the integrity of Glen.

Well done Glen.

I think also that Dan is to be congratulated for the manner in which he has handled this whole episode.
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vekenone wrote:
Not in a million years would I have given ANY hope to this stamp turning up again.
Yes I thought it would be SLIM at best. :)
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Just out of interest, why does the postmark come to such an abrupt stop?
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Machaggis52 wrote:Just out of interest, why does the postmark come to such an abrupt stop?
More than likely had another stamp in that area on the parcel, or a Registration label etc. When 5/- was floated off piece, so was the other item. One often sees this on parcel rates.

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http://www.glenstephens.com/snmay17.html

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Completely amazing! I wonder what accounted for the ~3 year lag in someone trying to sell it?
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danmagpie wrote:I am pleased to advise all that the "ENGLISH MAIL OUT T.P.O." 5/- Kangaroo has arrived in Danmagpies collection, and is now a cherished item heading up his English Mail Kangaroos. :mrgreen:

The story behind this stamp adds no value, but what an insightful advertisement it is the for Philatelic Community in Australia - a community that is fair, generous, honest and helpful.

A BIT LIKE 'SCOUTS' REALLY (MAKE SURE YOUR KIDS JOIN!!!!!)

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I think that this amazing story DOES add value to the stamp!
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passport_collect wrote: I think that this amazing story DOES add value to the stamp!
I bet Dan remembers this story, EVERY time he looks at this stamp! :lol: :lol:

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I think the story of how this cover was stolen and recovered contributed to its value:
https://siegelauctions.com/lots.php?sale_no=1038&lot_no=3

Who knows what the theft/recovery story does for the value of this stamp!
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Wonderful recovery story.

I recently sent out 6 letters. One was registered at buyers request.

Five letters were sent Priority (a bit quicker mail) from Austria, four to German buyers all arrived within 2 days..

Yes the registered to Germany was LOST!

Registered appears to be the signal for some to investigate any goodies.

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We get Government issued prescriptions for dangerous drugs posted to us fairly regularly. They are always posted in a plain envelope with NO identifying marks on them. Their reason for posting this way, is exactly the reason that this thread has become necessary. At least, with stamps, you have a chance of seeing them again. Not so with narcotic medication. :D

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johnrcrow wrote:
Yes the registered to Germany was LOST!
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What the tracking site says? Was it lost in Australia or in Germany?

In Germany it could get stuck in Customs...,or even lost on the way from International Exchange Post Office in Frankfurt to customs office..., the latter happened twice to me…
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I have to get back to PO today and find out what happened.

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johnrcrow wrote:I have to get back to PO today and find out what happened.

John
So in the end, was there good news on these lost letters?
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