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Thanks Neville, I must have missed it, twice in fact..

Here is another LRD ~ Copley ~ Type C10T ~ 4/1/1990

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The late Colin Salt researched and wrote about these in a self published book in 2009. [i]"South Australia, The Machine Date Cases of the Country and Suburban Offices including Northern Territory"[/i] I'm not sure whether the book is still available, possibly a request to the BSAP in England or maybe Glen could source it for you. Colin also wrote on the same subject for Victoria, Queensland and New South Wales.
The Kilkenny is type 1 for that office in Colin's book. He recorded it from 1962 to 1975.

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Hi again fellas, got another..

Meningie ~ Type UF4b ~ (13/8/1877 - 13/7/1883) Rated 3R

I believe this is a new ERD ~ 1873 ~ cannot work out the exact date, only the year..

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I'm back, got another..

Moonta ~ Type F1-1 ~ (1875 - 1879) ~ Rated 3R

I believe the date here is 24/12/1874 ~ New ERD
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I am a bit unsure about this one, it could either 1873 or 1878, I sway toward "73"

Saltia ~ Type UF4b ~ (9/4/1874 - 11/7/1891) ~ Rated 2R

I think this is 12/7/1873 ~ New ERD perhaps

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Bunge wrote:I am a bit unsure about this one, it could either 1873 or 1878, I sway toward "73"

Saltia ~ Type UF4b ~ (9/4/1874 - 11/7/1891) ~ Rated 2R

I think this is 12/7/1873 ~ New ERD perhaps

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Thanks Neville, I assume all my other posts are correct then since no comment has been made to say any different..

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Hi all, anything of interest in these two?

I think this is the earliest I have 1869, the perforations I don't know what it supposed to be.

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Checking this one on Retroreveal it has an S5 index but appears to be earlier than shown in the book with a date of No 19 78, but it looks like it measures 24mm, is it an F1-6 with another index(S5) ? or an ERD of F1-7 ?
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Back again..

Hynam ~ Type C2 ~ 10/2/1915 - 27/9/1958 ~ Rated C

New LRD ~ 19/12/1959

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Belton ~ Type C6 ~ (21/4/1957 - 196?) ~ Rated 4R

I can give you a date in the 60's ~ 20/12/1961
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Here's another

Birdwood ~ Type C2T ~ LDL (26/11/1918 - 1958) Rated V ~ (SDL 22/3/1960 - 1/4/1971) Rated C

I don't know if this is SDL (small date line) or LDL (large date line) as I have nothing to compare it to, but the end date is 1959.. The last letter of the month is "E" but I cannot determine the 1st letter..
So it could be FE, SE or even DE (Feb, Sept or Dec)

What do you think Neville ?

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[quote="Bunge"]Here's another

Birdwood ~ Type C2T ~ LDL (26/11/1918 - 1958) Rated V ~ (SDL 22/3/1960 - 1/4/1971) Rated C

I don't know if this is SDL (small date line) or LDL (large date line) as I have nothing to compare it to, but the end date is 1959.. The last letter of the month is "E" but I cannot determine the 1st letter..
So it could be FE, SE or even DE (Feb, Sept or Dec)

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SDL month ?
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And another

Manoora ~ Type C3 ~ 1915 - 7/7/1959 ~ Rated C

New LRD ~ 26/7/1959

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The "L" can appear to be an "E" but that is because of its position in relation to the sailors leg, so here is a retroReveal pic..

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And yet another

Eudunda ~ Type C6T ~ SDL 31/1/1961 - 10/8/1967 ~ Rated V

New ERD for SDL ~ 12/11/1960

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Wasn't the abbreviation for July JY? That sure looks like JE to me.

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Yes it is supposed to be, but sometimes it has been "JL", Rine Park is one example I came across just now.. And check out Snowtown..

As a matter of fact there are heaps of them, as I flip the pages..

And in relation with the letter "E" the middle bar would be between his legs, wouldn't it ?

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I think the middle line of the E is right on top of the inner edge of his pant. And the top points to the I in Australia.

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I can sorta see what you mean, but I can't decide..

Here's another retro take on it

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Definitely JE in my opinion

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OK fellas I concede defeat, it would be interesting to know whether the actual LRD (7/7/1959) listed is "JY" or "JL"..

Well back to another

Truro ~ Type C2 ~ 27/5/1912 - 2/12/1958 ~ Rated V

New LRD ~ 17/12/1958

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And another

Taldra ~ Type C2 ~ 13/9/1921 - ?/8/1958 ~ Rated C

The date here is very obscure, but the stamp was issued on 5/6/1959 ~ The date here could be 10/11/1959..

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And another

Tailem Bend ~ Type C10T ~ Index 3 ~ MDL (LLLLss) 19/2/1991 - 30/8/1994 ~ Rated R

New LRD ~ 28/10/1994

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Hi Neville

KIMBA C7 this one appears to be MDL Lsssss which is not mentioned - can you confirm if I am correct please

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And another

Tintinara ~ Type C10T-1 ~ SDL ~ 28/9/1977 - 9/12/1998 ~ Rated C

New LRD ~ 9/2/1989

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Any thoughts on my GPO Adelaide cancel posted above ?
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I'll only make one post in here today and give Neville a chance to catch up..

I know that the Adelaide section is a "work in progress" but these 2 may help that..

The Adelaide section is a bit of a mine field for me so hopefully I have allocated these 2 cancels in thier correct place..

I think this 1st one is Adelaide ~ Index 52 ~ Type C9T ~ SDL ~ 1978 - 2/4/1990 (page 40)

My date is 21/8/1995

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2nd one is Adelaide ~ Index 40 ~ I cannot find any reference to this cancel.. If I am on the right page (32) it skips from Index 39 to 41.. My date is 28/9/60

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Once again, just one post

Nantawarra ~ Type C3 with either a MDL or the SDL ~ you decide..

The date is 31/10/1961 ~ need your input here Neville
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And Nuriootpa ~ Type C6T ~ SDL ~ 1/7/1959 ~ Rated 2R ~ What does it mean when only one date is present as opposed to ERD to LRD ?

The date here is 30/6/1959

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"What does it mean when only one date is present as opposed to ERD to LRD ?"

Only date known.
"Normally" it would rate 5R but in the case of Nuri we would expect a lot more copies to turn up - hence 2R.
I would expect it to be C.
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manfaefife wrote:Checking this one on Retroreveal it has an S5 index but appears to be earlier than shown in the book with a date of No 19 78, but it looks like it measures 24mm, is it an F1-6 with another index(S5) ? or an ERD of F1-7 ?
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Don't know still thinking about it probably 6 :?:
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New ERD for Mutooroo SC2.

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Could this be F1-8? Right date, right size, doesn't seem to match the other F-types. And I'm not seeing the V2 index mentioned anywhere.

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Found another :D

Mallala ~ Type UF5 ~ ?/4/1867 - 5/9/1871 ~ Rated 4R

New LRD ~ 23/5/1872

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And you thought you would have a good rest once the book came out Neville - here's another one when you get a chance

MILLICENT clearly a C7 but some 6 years ERD which seems amazing

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Also you commented about single dates which make sense but what about where you just quote a year??

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tillotson wrote:And you thought you would have a good rest once the book came out Neville - here's another one when you get a chance

MILLICENT clearly a C7 but some 6 years ERD which seems amazing

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Also you commented about single dates which make sense but what about where you just quote a year??

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if there is a stamp with a cancel that is one of a kind and only showing the year on the date, then that date is considered to be the only known date, so when someone discovers another cancel of the same type with a full date (day, month, year), then that must be the ERD, as the full date is now the 'starting point'. Maybe it is also the LRD until someone finds another with a readable full date?

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Greg Ioannou wrote:Could this be F1-8? Right date, right size, doesn't seem to match the other F-types. And I'm not seeing the V2 index mentioned anywhere.

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Part of a duplex cancel 9 or 10?
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tillotson wrote:And you thought you would have a good rest once the book came out Neville - here's another one when you get a chance

MILLICENT clearly a C7 but some 6 years ERD which seems amazing

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Also you commented about single dates which make sense but what about where you just quote a year??

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if there is a stamp with a cancel that is one of a kind and only showing the year on the date, then that date is considered to be the only known date, so when someone discovers another cancel of the same type with a full date (day, month, year), then that must be the ERD, as the full date is now the 'starting point'. Maybe it is also the LRD until someone finds another with a readable full date?

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As above - also if 1965 to 1-1-1977
1965 has been reported by a reliable source but I have not personally sighted it.
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GraniteSA wrote:
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Part of a duplex cancel 9 or 10?
Ugh, I keep forgetting to check the duplexes. Thanks.

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Back with another couple, Tantanoola this time..

Tantanoola ~ Type C3 ~ MDL ~ 2?/?/1950 - 1/9/1959

I believe this cancel is 12/12/1959 ~ note that the "2" in the 12 is hard to pick..

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Tantanoola ~ Type C7 ~ SDL ~ 24/2/1960 - 2/8/1978

New ERD by 12 days ~ 12/2/1960

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Greg Ioannou wrote:New ERD for Mutooroo SC2.

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Wow, what a beautiful, SON of 'Mutooroo', the nicest cancel from this office that I've seen! Good one Greg!

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sadly need to show my ignorance again - what is SON please

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tillotson wrote:sadly need to show my ignorance again - what is SON please

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Sorry Tony, it's the acronym for 'Socked on the Nose' or a near, perfectly struck and well-centred cancellation on a stamp or piece.

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Thanks Bunge & Mike

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Hi Neville

Here's PARINGA C10T that is clearly an MDL BUT it seems to be sLLLLL as opposed to the ssssLs shown in the book and is 4 years later so can I assume this to be an addition?? and while I'm at it what sort of time is 3NP??

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and another addition???

PORT NOARLUNGA C6T clearly an MDL LLssss

confirmation of these two would be greatly appreciated


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Hi again, I am assuming this is the LDL of Elizabeth North, but perhaps it could be classified as a MDL as the year is smaller, what do you think ?

Elizabeth North ~ Type C6T ~ I think the date is 23/11/1959

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Re: Sth Australia stamp cancellations. Updates to SASG Book

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Back again, got another for you to assess..

Holloweliena ~ Type UF3 ~ 12/6/1865 - 1870 ~ Rated 5R

This could be the ERD ~ I think this is dated 12/3/1865

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Over to you Neville..


This sold on ebay the other night for $78.00 AUD

Caurnamont ~ Type C4 ~ 27/6/1922 - 31/5/1926 ~ Rated 4R

This is now the ERD ~ 31/1/1922

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Cheers Bunge :P
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Than to need them and not have them

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Re: Sth Australia stamp cancellations. Updates to SASG Book

Post by GraniteSA »

Bunge wrote:Back again, got another for you to assess..

Holloweliena ~ Type UF3 ~ 12/6/1865 - 1870 ~ Rated 5R

This could be the ERD ~ I think this is dated 12/3/1865

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Cheers Bunge :P
Looks like 66 to me but -
current range ?-11-1864 to 1870
Cheers
Neville

Collector of Southern Fleurieu Peninsula postmarks and postcards etc.

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