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I am on my Laptop as opposed to my Desktop tonight and this will be a first, so I hope I can get it right..

I was just outbid on this cancel, which went for $17.50 AUD..

North Booborowie ~ Type C4 ~ 31/12/30 -12/9/1956 ~ Rated R

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Here's fun: all four of these are before the Salisbury SC2 ERD in the book. So Au 12 02 becomes the new ERD. I'm guessing this one won't last long!

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And the last one has a partially doubled OS overprint.

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Sellick's Hill. 85? 95? Either is possible. 85 would be an ERD.

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Sevenhills new ERD: AU 29, 82.

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Greg Ioannou wrote:Sellick's Hill. 85? 95? Either is possible. 85 would be an ERD.

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Hi Greg,

The perf. 10 issue that you have suggests an 1880's date rather than a 1890's, so I'd agree that you have the ERD on 'Sellicks Hill'. Nice strike too!

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Thanks, Mike. I'd forgotten to check the perf.

Here's a new LRD for Sanderston (currently on sale on eBay but a bit more than I'm willing to pay for it -- item 371233510424).

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I ended up buying this piece back in August when I posed the question below. The question got lost down the posts and I didn't get a reply.

Can any of the South Australia cancel gurus answer the question. If not it is still a nice piece to view.
traralgon3844 wrote:Victorian English Mail TPO's have been described as uncommon, but you see them a lot. South Australian TPO's appear to be another matter.

I have the chance to pick up this cancel. My online research indicates that a cancel on cover sold for $1,150 plus add ons some time back and the cancel was described as scarce.

From the auction listing: "Presgrave at page 68 notes usage between 1908 & 1914. The facility ceased in 1917."

The question is, how scarce and what value would you put on it?

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The new handbook has usage as between 1907 and 1915. It's pretty easy to find on loose stamps (rated Common in the book) but I have no idea how tough it is to get on cover.

That's a gorgeous strike on a good stamp. Nice piece.

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My two copies of Semaphone SC1. I'm not convinced that either of them matches the illustration in the book. Notice the wide A and H, and the long arc.

If the second one is an SC1, it's a new index number.

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Greg Ioannou wrote:My two copies of Semaphone SC1. I'm not convinced that either of them matches the illustration in the book. Notice the wide A and H, and the long arc.

If the second one is an SC1, it's a new index number.

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Thanks! In that case, that's a new ERD for SC2, I believe.

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Here are a couple more:

New ERD (NO 29 99) for Smoky Bay.

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And a new ERD for Stockport, NO 20 84.

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One more for me as well..

Unley ~ Type F1 ~ 26/?/1881 - 25/5/1883 - Rated R

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Swan Reach, new LRD. Only four days later than the old LRD, but such a pretty cancel!

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Talia SC1, new LRD. Yes, the 4 is sideways.

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And Talia SC2, also a new LRD (SE 22 16). Another collector claims to have 1917 and 1919 strikes of this one, and there's a mention (but no illustration) of a 1918 one in an auction catalogue, so I don't think 1916 is going to last long as the LRD.

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And a new ERD, sort of, for Tanunda (NO 1 97) -- but I don't quite trust this one, either, because there have been a couple of reports of 1895s.

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Here's a new ERD for Terowie SC1.

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Sometimes it pays to look closely: OC 11 17 is a new LRD for Utera by over a year.

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Further up this page I posted a South Australia English Mail TPO cancel on a 5 shilling stamp and mentioned a sale of a cover at $1,150 (plus add ons).

A post card with unclear cancels recently sold in the U.K. for £315.

Reproduced here for your info.

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The same seller recently sold a Longwood Squarred Circle card for £89.
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traralgon3844 wrote:Further up this page I posted a South Australia English Mail TPO cancel on a 5 shilling stamp and mentioned a sale of a cover at $1,150 (plus add ons).

A post card with unclear cancels recently sold in the U.K. for £315.

Reproduced here for your info.

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The same seller recently sold a Longwood Squarred Circle card for £89.
I saw those items on Ebay, but didn't place a bid. The postcard with the 6d long stamp intrigues me. Is this a genuine rate in 1906 for a postcard from South Australia to the U.K.? I thought the rate was 3d. for the overseas postcard rate?

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The illustration for Wallaroo SC1 seems to show an SC3. Here's an SC1:

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Just found on eBay: Palmer JY 25 06 -- new ERD.

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Twins! I found these in different collections. If that's really 96, it's an ERD. We'll never know, eh?

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Greg Ioannou wrote:Twins! I found these in different collections. If that's really 96, it's an ERD. We'll never know, eh?

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Greg Ioannou wrote:The illustration for Wallaroo SC1 seems to show an SC3. Here's an SC1:

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OOPS! :oops: :oops: :oops:
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GraniteSA wrote:
Greg Ioannou wrote:The illustration for Wallaroo SC1 seems to show an SC3. Here's an SC1:

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OOPS! :oops: :oops: :oops:
I think this is the first actual error anyone's found in the books? That's a pretty amazing level of accuracy. Congratulations.

I wish the ACSC was as accurate, and that the people who put it together would react like you just did when errors are pointed out!

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Wasleys SC1. Your illustration shows the ERD copy (SE 13 89) but you give the ERD as 1891.

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Greg Ioannou wrote:Wasleys SC1. Your illustration shows the ERD copy (SE 13 89) but you give the ERD as 1891.

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Another oops! :oops:
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Addendum & Corrigendum (1) Page i Supplement The Shilling Violet October 2014
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Addendum & Corrigendum (1) Supplement The Shilling Violet No 70. November 2014
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Hi Neville, I was outbid on this today, but still wonder about it..

It seems to be a Manuscript Cancel of 547, but our cancels only went to 314, what do you think about it ?

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Just bought this beauty from the UK..

Mt Barker ~ Type C5T ~ 30/12/1930 - 10/6/1948 ~ Rated V

Here's a new ERD by a country mile ~ I make it ~ 5/7/1927

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Bunge wrote:Hi Neville, I was outbid on this today, but still wonder about it..

It seems to be a Manuscript Cancel of 547, but our cancels only went to 314, what do you think about it ?



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foreign rcvg office number or company office or registration number???
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GraniteSA wrote:
Bunge wrote:Hi Neville, I was outbid on this today, but still wonder about it..

It seems to be a Manuscript Cancel of 547, but our cancels only went to 314, what do you think about it ?



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foreign rcvg office number or company office or registration number???
It looks like a Registered postmark so registration number makes sense.

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BOLIVAR SC1 - picked this up recently with what appears to be an 00 index

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tillotson wrote:BOLIVAR SC1 - picked this up recently with what appears to be an 00 index

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It might only be a single '0' code as the postmark appears to be doubled?

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To me the doubling appears to only affect the BOL - indicating it was struck unevenly. I'm still comfortable with it being a double 0

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Territorian wrote:
tillotson wrote:BOLIVAR SC1 - picked this up recently with what appears to be an 00 index

addition???

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It might only be a single '0' code as the postmark appears to be doubled?

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Doubled or single, Bolivar hasn't previously been reported with an index number.

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I just won this beauty at Auction on ebay :D

What concerns us is the South Australian postmark on the front of the cover, but I will show the back as well as it is a great piece of postal history..

The SA postmark is :- UF1-2 ~ Blue ink ~ 22/5/1851 - 30/9/1851

New LRD ~ 31/10/1851

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And the back of the cover

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Just found another

Henley Beach Sth. ~ Type C8T ~ SDL 5/4/1967 - 23/4/1980

New LRD - 1/7/1982

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Hi Neville, not sure if this is the SDL or LDL of Hutt Street ~ Dated 17/3/1961

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What's the story behind Gawler SC6 and SC7? I've never seen SC7 listed before. You give only one date of use, then a scarcity rating of C (Common). Are you assuming a lot more copies will turn up once people know it exists?

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Greg Ioannou wrote:What's the story behind Gawler SC6 and SC7? I've never seen SC7 listed before. You give only one date of use, then a scarcity rating of C (Common). Are you assuming a lot more copies will turn up once people know it exists?

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In one word Yes.
Because they are nearly the the same most would be classed as one.
Its easier to make the rating rarer than to make it more common.
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GraniteSA wrote:
Greg Ioannou wrote:What's the story behind Gawler SC6 and SC7? I've never seen SC7 listed before. You give only one date of use, then a scarcity rating of C (Common). Are you assuming a lot more copies will turn up once people know it exists?

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In one word Yes.
Because they are nearly the the same most would be classed as one.
Its easier to make the rating rarer than to make it more common.
Sensible. I'm currently dealing with a guy who won't believe that a squared circle that once sold for £600 is now worth far less than that because many more copies have surfaced.

Why are so many of the late/philatelic usages given such fancy ratings? (I'm now feeling very unhappy at not buying one for $28 when I had the chance!)

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Bunge wrote:Hi Neville, not sure if this is the SDL or LDL of Hutt Street ~ Dated 17/3/1961

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Bunge wrote:
Bunge wrote:Hi Neville, not sure if this is the SDL or LDL of Hutt Street ~ Dated 17/3/1961

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This question is going to get left behind, so I'll repost it

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H35 HUTT STREET C6T LRD LDL 17-3-1961
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Thanks Neville, I had nothing to compare it to, as it seems all my Hutt Street cancels are of the LDL..

What is the "H35" in reference to ?

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That would be letter H the 35th listing!!

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Thanks tillotson, that makes sense, more sense than me looking at all my Hutt Street cancels looking for H35 on the cancel :roll:

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I've got a few weeks leave, so thought it was a good time to send in a few 'updates' to the SASG book trio.

Aberdeen F1-2 ERD 5.2.1880
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That Aberdeen SC1 loooks a lot more like a 95 than an 05

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It's kind of moot anyway.

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