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Hey all, I wanted to start a new topic just for queries regarding NSW Laureates only. There is a "how much is this NSW stamp worth" topic that has some laureates but I would like to amalgamate everything we know about the laureate issue in this topic.

For the sake of brevity I'll set aside the details on why the Laureate design came to pass etc, but needless to say the 1850 Sydney View Issue was out of production by 1851 after a single year.

Called 'Laureate' by collectors and philatelists because of the laurel wreath on the head of Queen Victoria, posed in profile. Other members can add more information about laureates in further posts.

Basically I would like to go further in this topic than simply "this is real, this is not" like in the other topic, and have some knowledgeable members go into some detail about the different plates, dies, colour/shades and more.

The laureate issue is very well known by only a small minority of the stamp community probably due to that fact that information about them isn't easily accessible. I know I would have loved a compendium when I started collecting them.

The end goal of this topic is to build confidence in collectors to buy and collect laureates and NSW overall. New South Wales is probably one of the more expensive and trickiest areas to collect, therefore it is high risk.

This also means that when you have built a meaningful NSW topic area it may be the most rewarding and prized part of your stamp collection (as is the case for me anyway).

Thanks in advance to anyone taking the time to post. I'll make a start.

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This is a S.G. 54: 1851, no Wmk. Plate 1. fine impression. dark blue. on blue to greyish medium paper. Messy oval of bars cancel but four margins and no faults 8) .

Before I found this stamp I wasn't sure exactly how fine the design got in the 1851 release- pretty dam fine! So this must be one of the first impressions made with the new plate.

I personally see every 'fine impression' plate 1 as those without the ink splotches in the background- being the worn plate 1.

Normally you see a 'full ' background of colour with few vertical lines as a fine plate 1. Easily distinguishable from plate 3 that has fine background of crossed lines. :wink: Easy peasy so far am i right?!

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This is a S.G. 51- 1851. no Wmk. Plate 1. fine impression. ultramarine. on thick yellow paper. Barred numeral 30 "Camden". Big margin on the bottom close cut at the top- nicely balanced :wink: .

I don't really know why Stanley Gibbons describes the paper as yellow specifically (looks grey to me, paper types are not a strong area for me yet) but it is plate 1, ultramarine, and it is much thicker than medium paper so from the process of elimination I put it at S.G. 51.

I normally very gently bend the paper for a comparison usually. And it can't be stout white wove because that is a plate 3 variety.
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This is a S.G. 53: 1851, no Wmk. Plate 1. fine impression. chalky blue. on blue to greyish medium paper. barred numeral cancel. four margins.

One of the biggest road blocks I have faced when collecting laureates (still yet to overcome) is correctly assigning the Stanley Gibbons listed colour name to the actual stamp colour in front of me.

It isn't something you can just google- and again I have used process of elimination to work out the correct S.G. to the stamp.

You can see that this stamp, while still a fine impression, is the least fine of the three listed so far- the background is quite full.
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This is a S.G. 57: 1851, no Wmk. Plate 1. worn impression. ultramarine on blue medium paper. barred numeral cancel 48 (Tarcutta). four margins.

As the plate gradually wore the background of the stamp shows up spots where the ink has not been transferred.

This example shows the background of "POSTAGE" also wearing.

S.G. only distinguishes the plate 1 worn impression as being either Ultramarine or Prussian blue.

The stamp below is probably a shade between Ultramarine and dark blue.
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This is a S.G. 64: 1855, no Wmk. Plate 3 (or Plate 1 re-engraved). Prussian blue on stout white wove paper. barred numeral cancel 82 (Armidale). four margins.

I suppose there was a short period of overlap (maybe a year) where the printers used watermarked and un-watermarked paper with the re-engraved plate.

The watermarked "double line figure of value" paper started printing in 1854 using plate 3 too.

Note the rough lines of "POSTAGE" and the background has crossed lines instead of the fine wavy vertical lines as seen in the stamp at the top of this run.
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The entire is addressed to a Mr Alex Anderson, who worked at the Western Bank, in Lenark, Scotland.
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Mailed from Yass on December 23rd 1854, to Sydney on December 26th, to London, England on 18th of March 1855 to arrive at Lanark, Scotland on the same day.
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Stamps on cover are three individually cut 1854, plate 3, two penny Prussian blue laureates. Rare usage. A vertical filing crease and corner damage, but last 2 stamps have 4 clear to large margins.
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Barred numeral cancel 44 “Yass” clearly stamped on all, well tied to the cover. On reverse the stamps of all four locations of travel have been well preserved.

Get Ready for some history, its good though.

This is a fully intact non-faded folded letter (see filing is good :wink: ) written 22nd of December 1854 by the then 21 year old Andrew B. Patterson father of none other than folk hero 'banjo' Patterson (born in 1854; the Author of Waltzing Matilda for non Aussies).
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The letter is endorsed by a James(?) Patterson, who could be Andrew's father or another uncle, with a more articulate letter on the flip side of Andrew's scrawl.
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Basically at this point the family moved to Yass to farm sheep after Jame's brothers death and they withdrew from his estate to invest further in sheep (turning out to be not a wise move).

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NewWaveSound wrote:The entire is addressed to a Mr Alex Anderson, who worked at the Western Bank, in Lenark, Scotland.

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Very nice letter. The 5 is an accountancy mark and it shows the amount due to UK.

The 6d rate was divided as:
1d to UK
1d to NSW
4d sea postage to the country under which the ship had a contract with.
NewWaveSound wrote:Mailed from Yass on December 23rd 1854, to Sydney on December 26th, to London, England on 18th of March 1855 to arrive at Lanark, Scotland on the same day.
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The red datestamp on the back is of Edinburgh and not London.
The Z is the stamper id, the Morning is the time code.

Based on data of May 1854 I try to trace a possible route starting from the Edinburgh postmark.

From Edinburgh to Lanark there were two daily mails: 6.00am (Mail for Glasgow) and 7.20pm (Mail for London).

Based on the M time code I'd guess your letter departed with the first mail at 6.00am.

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So departure from Edinburgh at 6.35am and arrival at Glasgow at 9.30am.

From Glasgow to Lanark there were two daily mails: 1.20pm and 7.20pm.

So I'd guess your letter departed at 1.20pm from Glasgow to Lanark.

You may ask why from Edinburgh to Lanark one mail went with the Glasgow Mail (6.00am) and the other with the London Mail (7.20pm).

This map shows the railway:

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So you can see one railway from Edinburgh to Carlisle (then London).

And another railway from Edinburgh to Glasgow, another one from Glasgow to Lanark (to Carlisle and then London).
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Thanks for you help Andrea with the postmarks, that was very interesting to read about the train transport, I never would have known. Still lots to learn, as always :D.

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One more additional info.

On bottom left you can read Argo, it's the name of the ship:

http://www.historic-shipping.co.uk/gsssco/Argo.html

From the above link we can read:

15th March 1855. Arrived in Plymouth from Sydney to land her mail.
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I also found information on the ship "The Argo"- the first steam powered screw ship to intentionally(?) (wikipedia phrasing) circumnavigate the globe.

So this begs the question which was the first screw ship to unintentionally do so?

Anyway I know this is a pretty famous ship so I thought I'd add a picture below.
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The Argo
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As you can see its fairly uncouth- an interesting period in technology transitioning from wind to steam I should think. Maybe someone else has an international ship mail from Sydney to Edinburgh for a wind powered vessel and we shall see if "The Argo" was truly worth its weight (speed wise, that is 8) )!

(beat me to the punch by 5 mins :lol: )

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For anyone interested in the Laureate reprints and forgeries (and how to tell the difference) there is a great website that belongs to a member here on stampboards.
http://stampforgeries.com/new-south-wales-queen-victoria/
I helped him to write up a table of genuine v forgery features after he contacted me tonight.

I think its a great reference site for those who want to collect the forgeries or for those who want to avoid them :D.

See if you can spot the little joke I added (don't know that he knows) :lol:

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I have found an unusual 'forgery' on the site that shall not be named.

Now, the seller thinks it is a Watermarked laureate S.G. 84, but it has gum so I don't think the watermark is discernible to them.

This would mean they think it is plate 3/re-engraved plate 1.

The only trouble is that the lines are blurry as anything and it has some usual wear that would place it as a Plate 1 worn impression.

See what you guys think, I have never seen a 'forgery' this good.

Anyhow this is what I think:

The first image (left to right) is the genuine, 2nd is the proposed forgery as is, the third is the same stamp with notes.
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1. Word "POSTAGE" is not outlined properly, plate 1 has very fine lines , plate 3 has wobbly lines but there is a distinct separation between colour and white. This stamp has wobbly lines but with wear spots which is not a combination that should ever be seen.

2. Same with the words "TWO PENCE" not engraved to the standard of Carmichael or even Jervis (who re-engraved plate 1).

3. Another unusual wear pattern

4. Laurel wreath line lack detail and are thick

5. Hair lines lack detail and are thick

6. Nose is pointy not hooked

7. Eyes are smaller and lack detail around the eyes in particular which makes them look sad on the genuine

8. Neck is nearly 180 degrees not hooked as in genuine

9. Back of the neck lacks hatching and lines overall, although plate 3 does have less detail here than plate 1.

10. Background has no pattern completely full, water colour paint texture

11. Lack of detail in the lines, all smudged together

So there you have it what does everyone think?

Most of the points above are semantics however, the fact that the stamp overall lacks detail and is blurry but has O.G. may mean this stamp is how it is and was not altered by a chemical bath or what have you.

Which probably means either the printers had a bad day or it is a forgery.

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Please assist with this item ; Is this the 2d Blue imperforate Plate I , Can you please advise the value

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Please assist with this item also ; 2d Blue imperf. Plate II postmarked Drayton NSW P.O Closed 1859.

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Hi Bear, this is a fantastic example of a 1851 2d laureate, plate 1, worn impression, like the one posted by me earlier in this topic.
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This cover is very nice, the combination of the 4 huge margin stamp, 'as fine as it gets' barred numeral cancel, stamp is excellently tied to cover, no major visual faults on the cover like tears or toning.

I would pay $70-$80 AU for a cover like this, and $100 AU if you can link it to an important Addressee through postal history research.
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A very general rule I go buy is $70 for each properly tied stamp on cover.

But I would pay 30-50% extra for a cover with letter. And maybe 20% extra (not stacking) if the Addressee is well renowned.

Basically a well renowned person can be found on google search (name, date, place) giving resounding results.

But if I want something I generally don't care if I overpay a little for it.

An exercise if you want, guess how much I was willing to pay for the entire above with 3 tied laureate stamps.

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newwave,

Have you ever tried to plate any of your stamps.

That is the easiest method to tell if you have a genuine or a forgery, plated examples to the position in the sheet explains the differences between each stamp and also whether it is genuine or not,

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These stamps on piece with a town cancel are normally collected by a NSW towns specialist.

They try to collect a piece that has both a stamp with a barred numeral cancel on it and its corresponding town cancellation, evidencing the fact that the numeral does correspond to that town.

If you didn't know already, towns across Australia were given a unique number to cancel stamped letters.

These pieces become important as collectors still don't know many numeral/town combinations.

And tied numeral/town pieces and covers are the number 1 things that these specialists look for.

Your piece has the town cancel of Drayton and the stamp ought to have an '85' barred numeral cancel on it, which is does not.

I would say that it either the stamp does not belong on that piece or the cancel has faded/not stamped correctly.

Either way the stamp is not correctly tied to the piece, so it has no value to a town specialist collector and the value comes only from the stamp itself.

This is probably worth about $5.

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bear,

It must be Plate I as Plate II wasn't issued until January 1860 and your piece is dated much earlier.

Your piece if from the Bank of New South Wales, Ipswich correspondence. Even though the numeral of Drayton is not clear that is the way they normally come and is undoubtedly genuine, not replaced.

I would still value it around $ 10-15

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David Benson wrote:newwave,

Have you ever tried to plate any of your stamps.

That is the easiest method to tell if you have a genuine or a forgery, plated examples to the position in the sheet explains the differences between each stamp and also whether it is genuine or not,

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Hi David, no I am not putting together a plate reconstruction.

I think it is a great project, but I have seen some who have plate reconstructions made entirely of filler quality used material (thins and tears and badly cut into etc.) which I personally don't think is worth their time.

A filler 2d laureate for example is about $3-$5 and I could easily buy a whole bunch and do a plate study but its not one of my current goals. And I don't have enough money/stamps are not available, to make a reconstruction out of 4 margin stamps.

As far as the statement 'a plate study is a good way to tell a forgery' is not really practical to everyone else collecting laureates.

You shouldn't (and don't) have to become an expert at plating laureates to feel confident enough to buy one.

Like I said in the above post- that particular example was best forgery I have seen to the point were I would have liked someone else look at it.

Normally forgeries are very easy to spot and people can check out some forgeries and re-prints on the fellow's website I linked above.

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new wave,

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Hi David, no I am not putting together a plate reconstruction.
I am not suggesting that you should be doing reconstructing, just suggesting that is want to specialise in an issue you should how the position it was on the Plate.

There were only 50 positions on the various Plates and most of them are easily recognisable once you have the references.

It would also tell you the position of that so called forgery was from,

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Re the Drayton example, it looks like the fold under the stamp means that the Drayton cancellation is actually a backstamp.

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Jeremy,

I have seen many covers addressed to the Bank of NSW Ipswich from Drayton, never seen any the other way around. From memory all had the Drayton cds. on the reverse as well as the Ipswich receiving mark,

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Jeremy,

see,

http://www.millenniumauctions.com.au/search.php3?showcategor ... auction=54

lot 493 is a good example,

addressed to the Bank of Australasia, Ipswich,

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David Benson wrote:new wave,

re.
Hi David, no I am not putting together a plate reconstruction.
I am not suggesting that you should be doing reconstructing, just suggesting that is want to specialise in an issue you should how the position it was on the Plate.

There were only 50 positions on the various Plates and most of them are easily recognisable once you have the references.

It would also tell you the position of that so called forgery was from,

David B.

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OK I understand what you're saying.

It follows that If I was not intending on doing a plate reconstruction that I would have no need for plating literature, therefore I do not have the reference material to check the various positions.

I can normally instinctively tell whether a stamp is genuine or not, this has been one of the few times where I wasn't sure.

In conclusion, if someone has plate position literature could they kindly reply as to whether the stamp above is a forgery or not.

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NewWaveSound wrote:These stamps on piece with a town cancel are normally collected by a NSW towns specialist.

They try to collect a piece that has both a stamp with a barred numeral cancel on it and its corresponding town cancellation, evidencing the fact that the numeral does correspond to that town.

If you didn't know already, towns across Australia were given a unique number to cancel stamped letters.

These pieces become important as collectors still don't know many numeral/town combinations.

And tied numeral/town pieces and covers are the number 1 things that these specialists look for.

Your piece has the town cancel of Drayton and the stamp ought to have an '85' barred numeral cancel on it, which is does not.

I would say that it either the stamp does not belong on that piece or the cancel has faded/not stamped correctly.

Either way the stamp is not correctly tied to the piece, so it has no value to a town specialist collector and the value comes only from the stamp itself.

This is probably worth about $5.

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Do you not agree there is some sort of postmark on the stamps which looks like a barred numeral


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bear0001 wrote:
NewWaveSound wrote:These stamps on piece with a town cancel are normally collected by a NSW towns specialist.

They try to collect a piece that has both a stamp with a barred numeral cancel on it and its corresponding town cancellation, evidencing the fact that the numeral does correspond to that town.

If you didn't know already, towns across Australia were given a unique number to cancel stamped letters.

These pieces become important as collectors still don't know many numeral/town combinations.

And tied numeral/town pieces and covers are the number 1 things that these specialists look for.

Your piece has the town cancel of Drayton and the stamp ought to have an '85' barred numeral cancel on it, which is does not.

I would say that it either the stamp does not belong on that piece or the cancel has faded/not stamped correctly.

Either way the stamp is not correctly tied to the piece, so it has no value to a town specialist collector and the value comes only from the stamp itself.

This is probably worth about $5.


Do you not agree there is some sort of postmark on the stamps which looks like a barred numeral


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Hi Andrea, could you please look at these and tell me a bit about them?

I don't know if they have been sent to New Brunswick, Canada or Scotland.
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I haven't been able to find much about Addressee's yet.

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They were sent to Scotland, NB was in common usage at that time, it stood for North Britain,

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I've found a Mrs Anderson on a directory of 1865, she was at 25 King st, Stirling.

This map of Stirling of 1832 shows Southfield and King street.

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At Sydney 3d where prepaid for the ship letter rate, the 3 is written in red under the PAID SHIP LETTER postmark.

Once arrived in UK the letter was charged for 8d, so that's the amount the addresee had to pay.

On a directory of Aberdeen of 1847 I've found:

Alexander Black, clerk (Aberdeen Bank), 39 Whitehouse street.
Alexander Black, Spring-bank terrace.

I'd guess they are the same person, the directory shows both work and house addresses.
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On the back there is a London datestamp, the red at right.
An Edinburgh datestamp, the red at left, with Morning time code.
And of course an Aberdeen datestamp, with Night time code.

According to the ship letter postmark the Mail landed at Plymouth.

With data of May 1848 here is a possible route from London to Aberdeen through Edinburgh.

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Departure from London at 9.30am of March 28.
Arrival at Edinburgh at 2.00am of March 29.

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Departure from Edinburgh at 8.12am of March 29.
Arrival at Aberdeen at 7.40pm of March 29.
No-one ever said it was easy. If it was it would be boring!

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David Benson wrote:They were sent to Scotland, NB was in common usage at that time, it stood for North Britain,

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Thanks David,

Seller sold them as New Brunswick and I didn't think much of it, until I tried searching for the Addressees.

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And thanks Andrea again for you help with the UK details.

The irony seems to be that international mail sent from Australia is far less historically exciting/significant addressee wise on average even though the stamp combinations on cover are usually great.

Andrea, whats your most historically significant cover or entire from the UK? Do you come across many covers by accident where the previous owner had been oblivious to their history?

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newwave,

all I can say, it must have been a dumb dealer, firstly he should have known that NB was Scotland, especially with a Portsmouth Ship Letter marking and an Edinburgh transit & second he should have known that if it was addressed to New Brunswick, then it would have been worth many $ 100's,

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David Benson wrote:newwave,

all I can say, it must have been a dumb dealer, firstly he should have known that NB was Scotland, especially with a Portsmouth Ship Letter marking and an Edinburgh transit & second he should have known that if it was addressed to New Brunswick, then it would have been worth many $ 100's,

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Roger that,

I paid under what they are worth as is regardless off the address.

I wouldn't think too many Australians migrated from Canada to send mail home :lol:

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The next cover is 4d rate with a vertical pair of the plate 3 laureates.
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Sent from Raymond Terrace to "Booral House near Stroud"
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I'm assuming it was charged double rate because it was taken to a specific location outside the normal mail route.

Or is it that it was sent from Sydney to Raymond Terrance then to Booral House?

Also there is a special Kangaroo and Emu plate of arms motif above the wax seal, which I think may be rare; I have not seen this previously.

History~

Booral Farm (and Booral House) was one of a dozen or so (The Australian Agricultural Company (AAC) founded in 1824) commissioned farms established in the area to sell 'pure merino' sheep wool back to England.

After great success in the 30s and 40s, the companies wool interests had dropped by the 1850s as the result of labor shortages/drought/economic down turn.

Captain Brownrigg was a prominent figure for the company and the area and played a major role in trying to attract more labor to the area.

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The next is the common 2d rate for town to town mail in NSW, another plate 3 2d.
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Sent to Mr Edward Capper, West Maitland from Muswellbrook.
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Mr Capper had a prominent hardware store in West Maitland and was very successful for many years, his business being carried forward through his descendants.
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NewWaveSound wrote:
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I'm assuming it was charged double rate because it was taken to a specific location outside the normal mail route.
Can you read the dates on the postmark ?

I don't know too much about NSW postal history but maybe the route was:

Sydney - Raymond Terrance, by ship (at the bottom it is mentioned a Captain)
Raymond Terrance - Booral House, by land
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The 2d. pair on cover to Booral House, Stroud was sent from Sydney (dumb bar cancel) and transitted at Raymond Terrace. It was double weight which was why 4d. was required.

It couldn't go by ship to Raymond Terrace, which is inland. It went by the Northern Road by Mail Coach.

David B.

BTW, I think you desperately need a copy of The Postal History of New South Wales which I think is still available from Philas for around $ 60. It will teach you a lot about NSW Postal History.

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Thanks for your replies,

Andrea: I can't read the Raymond Terrace date cancel unfortunately, but distance wise I would have thought that It would've taken one day/trip from Sydney to Raymond Terrace (167km) then one trip from Raymond Terrace to Stroud (49.2km+) taking possibly 2 days, but don't know.

I think most likely the main addressee was the head house keeper, it says "care" of Brownrigg. I have researched that Brownrigg did live there.

David: Have you seen other Sydney to the Stroud farm mail from your collection or from the book you mentioned?

I'm thinking that the journey might have warrented an uprating due to its location from Sydney to Raymond Terrace to the farm house.

Do you know whether the rates were loosely set at length of journey or not, or is it definitely because it was extra heavy?

I probably will buy that book, but I kind of feel that it may not have every mail situation location to location etc.

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newwave,

I think you have got a lot to learn and you need literature, whether you own or borrow is up to you but it will save you asking a lot of questions which a novice should know,

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Hello David as I see it I have two options to learn about stamps:

1) Do the research myself, and keep all the knowledge I gained to myself.

2) Engage in the stamp community, ask public questions, absorb criticism, gain knowledge and share it with the whole community, display my stamps and covers for others to enjoy, teach others something about stamps, be generous with my time.

I'm guessing you are the former

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newwave,

All of the information you require is available by buying or borrowing a few books which are readily available. You will then be able to easily solve any problems without asking anyone.

Some of the questions you have asked are so simple to answer it is amazing you have not learned much about your chosen so called specialisation,

If you ask a sensible question then I will answer it,

example of simple questions which you should have known,
" Have you seen other Sydney to the Stroud farm mail from your collection or from the book you mentioned? ".
There is no such thing as Stroud farm mail, it would have been picked up Stroud Post Office.
" Do you know whether the rates were loosely set at length of journey or not, or is it definitely because it was extra heavy? :.
It was based on weight.
" I probably will buy that book, but I kind of feel that it may not have every mail situation location to location etc. ".
No books describe mail situation location to location,


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newwave,

By the way,

do you have any reference books on New South wales and if so, which ones,

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Thankyou david for kindly visting my topic on many occasions.

Could you kindly not post anymore I fear that this topic is becoming congested with unhelpful comments and filler stuff.

If you have a nice cover or Laureate to post you are more than welcome to do so, otherwise please refrain from posting comments.

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I was planning to keep my stampboards and ebay "lives" separate :lol: sounds absurd I know, but there is a strong negative culture on stampboards towards Ebay which is certainly warranted, but for the savy few, I like to think myself included, Ebay can be the most powerful tool in the stamping world, if you use it correctly.

I have written published articles on Ebay especially for buyers who want to take the plunge and start buying on Ebay.

I want to link my stampboards and ebay accounts for transparency as I plan to be heavily, and equally, using both in the future.

http://www.ebay.com.au/usr/2013aumaxte

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NewWaveSound wrote:Thankyou david for kindly visting my topic on many occasions.

Could you kindly not post anymore I fear that this topic is becoming congested with unhelpful comments and filler stuff.

If you have a nice cover or Laureate to post you are more than welcome to do so, otherwise please refrain from posting comments.
This is a discussion board. Anyone is allowed to contribute. If you
don't like it, go start a blog.

I read this thread to learn something. I learn far more from David's
reasoned replies than from your arrogant posts.

Yes, I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but I couldn't help myself.

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newwave,

I see that you have some 8d. Diadems included in your Fakes & Forgeries blog, at least 1 is genuine and there may another couple which would have to be more closely checked. Before condemning them you should get some more literature of which shades exist only imperf.

David B.

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I suggest RL page 41.

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David Benson wrote:newwave,

I see that you have some 8d. Diadems included in your Fakes & Forgeries blog, at least 1 is genuine and there may another couple which would have to be more closely checked. Before condemning them you should get some more literature of which shades exist only imperf.

David B.

added.

I suggest RL page 41.

Are you the Ebay seller stampmandave by any chance?

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europhil wrote:
NewWaveSound wrote:Thankyou david for kindly visting my topic on many occasions.

Could you kindly not post anymore I fear that this topic is becoming congested with unhelpful comments and filler stuff.

If you have a nice cover or Laureate to post you are more than welcome to do so, otherwise please refrain from posting comments.
This is a discussion board. Anyone is allowed to contribute. If you
don't like it, go start a blog.

I read this thread to learn something. I learn far more from David's
reasoned replies than from your arrogant posts.

Yes, I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but I couldn't help myself.
Thankyou Europhol your your kind comments, and thankyou for visiting my topic please come back soom!

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