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Don't know if this has already been posted (can't see it), but the latest Gibbons Stamp Monthly (July 2016) does list these stamps as a new issue. Given SG is now listing them, let's hope Scott and Michel follow suit.

From the editor's Catalogue Column:
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And the new issue listing:
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Yes I had reported here this was occurring a while back Chris, but nice to see it all in print, thanks for that. :mrgreen:

SG will not realise it, but they illustrated a Ghost Albino example! :lol: :lol:

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In the July-August 2016 edition of Australia Post's "Stamp Bulletin" (page 25) it states that the Adelaide CPS label machine will be withdrawn from service as of 1st July.
Sale of any available CPS sets (2016 annual literal and V8 2016 annual literal) will be completed by 30 June the bulletin goes on to say.
Link to the bulletin provided here:

https://shop.auspost.com.au/INTERSHOP/static/WFS/AusPost-Sho ... 341-aa.pdf

No doubt old news for most.......... :o but it was news to me.

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Well done to Gibbons for listing this issue as full-fledged provisional issue worthy of full catalog status.

Now the wait to see what the Croesus' at Scott and Michel decide to do.
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Several member here will no doubt have "spares" of this set. Either Type A or B.

I need a few for making up sets, so anyone with a loose MINT stamp please email me and i am sure we can work something out. :)

I also have a number of odds that are not part of sets that might well complete someone esle's set - again drop me an email. :D

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briggia wrote:In the July-August 2016 edition of Australia Post's "Stamp Bulletin" (page 25) it states that the Adelaide CPS label machine will be withdrawn from service as of 1st July.

Sale of any available CPS sets (2016 annual literal and V8 2016 annual literal) will be completed by 30 June the bulletin goes on to say.
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Apologies if this has been said before, but I wonder if the flak over the 30c issue was the downfall of the one last CPS machine?
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StampsCollector wrote:I wonder if the flak over the 30c issue was the downfall of the one last CPS machine?
Could well be... I hope no one lost their job as a result of the 30c issue. :!:

Or it could be a case of the 1994 rolls of stock running low, who knows?
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Tassie_Stamps wrote:
StampsCollector wrote:I wonder if the flak over the 30c issue was the downfall of the one last CPS machine?
Could well be... I hope no one lost their job as a result of the 30c issue. :!:

Or it could be a case of the 1994 rolls of stock running low, who knows?
Maybe, just sounded too coincidental to me, might be like a "We'll make sure THAT never happens again reaction" from Head Office, right after somebody probably asked "What's a CPS machine anyway and why is there still one in Adelaide?".

The latter question I must admit, was always a fascination to me. :lol:
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stampchris wrote:And the new issue listing:
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That's very interesting, am I right in interpreting that the principal reason they are listing the 30c issue and not others of the many face values released over the years, is that the 30c version was distributed to post offices?
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StampsCollector wrote:
Tassie_Stamps wrote:
StampsCollector wrote:I wonder if the flak over the 30c issue was the downfall of the one last CPS machine?
Could well be... I hope no one lost their job as a result of the 30c issue. :!:

Or it could be a case of the 1994 rolls of stock running low, who knows?
Maybe, just sounded too coincidental to me, might be like a "We'll make sure THAT never happens again reaction" from Head Office, right after somebody probably asked "What's a CPS machine anyway and why is there still one in Adelaide?".
We cross now to Australia Post's boardroom to see how the whole thing went down.

"Mr Fahour, stamp collectors are going nuts for those Adelaide CPS provisionals. They're earning big bucks and creating great publicity for philately."

"Great! Sell the machine!"
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I will ask here, although it is slightly off topic. Is AUD270 a realistic price for this set, or is it merely expectations from collateral damage caused by the 30 cent earthquake?

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They are worth $6 plus shipping Norm.
Widely available, normal print run for this year.

Unless you see a "ghost" print?
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Allanswood wrote:They are worth $6 plus shipping Norm.
Widely available, normal print run for this year.

Unless you see a "ghost" print?
Still available at Adelaide GPO till the end of the month.
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Mentioned seller is most likely a carpet bagger also.. Look at the collection of indigenous artwork for sale..
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How do you stop people selling the $1 sets of these stamps for crazy prices on eBay?
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muruk wrote:
Allanswood wrote:They are worth $6 plus shipping Norm.
Widely available, normal print run for this year.

Unless you see a "ghost" print?
Still available at Adelaide GPO till the end of the month.
Confirmed as I've just picked some up from Adelaide GPO. Caused a certain amount of confusion as they're located in the safe.
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blackrom wrote:How do you stop people selling the $1 sets of these stamps for crazy prices on eBay?
Don't buy them.
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blackrom wrote:How do you stop people selling the $1 sets of these stamps for crazy prices on eBay?
You don't - and if they find a sucker to buy the stamps, good for them. :idea:
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blackrom wrote:How do you stop people selling the $1 sets of these stamps for crazy prices on eBay?
By refusing to pay those stupid prices! Of course there will be the 'bunnies' always, but intelligent people will know better. (most of the time!)
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Truly dishonest, and everything that is wrong with the world.
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muruk wrote:
Allanswood wrote:They are worth $6 plus shipping Norm.
Widely available, normal print run for this year.

Unless you see a "ghost" print?
Still available at Adelaide GPO till the end of the month.
That's right, although if you don't live in Adelaide you have to order by mail from the Postal Manager Adelaide with a cheque because they were never generally available.

In fact if you ring the normal Philatelic Enquiry number they won't know much about them.
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Apart from Ebay and a few dealers, has anyone noted any examples of the Adelaide Provisional being included at any Auction worldwide,

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David Benson wrote:
Apart from Ebay and a few dealers, has anyone noted any examples of the Adelaide Provisional being included at any Auction worldwide,

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David I flew to Adelaide recently, and a local couple sold me a few sets 6 they had. They mentioned they'd consigned some to an Auction just before I made contact.

So that will be coming up soon I imagine. :idea:

Scarce ozzie stuff is red hot lately. This set just sold an hour back on ebay for about $A900, and is 2 weeks old!

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This Butterfly set, combined with the 30c emergency issue is going to make it hard for Mr average to stay complete in Australia Stamps, therefore I wonder what the drop out rate will be .

Many collectors have gone in mainly older Stamp directions due to these types of issues and that may kill the Goose that laid the golden Egg, collectors are /were money for almost free because only the print cost applies to Postal Authorities world wide.
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"Mr Average" can buy the same 6 different Butterfly un-numbered sheets for $60. I mailed out dozens of those sets this week. That is HALF the price of the annual book, that "Mr Average" manages to buy cheerfully 200,000 units of each year without thinking. :mrgreen:

No-one NEEDS to buy the numbered ones. Someone just paid me 4 figures for a set, and I suspect maybe 10 sets exist globally.

Will it be worth far more than 10 Annual books in 10 years? Of course. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Global Administrator wrote:"Mr Average" can buy the same 6 different Butterfly un-numbered sheets for $60. I mailed out dozens of those sets this week. That is HALF the price of the annual book, that "Mr Average" manages to buy cheerfully 200,000 units of each year without thinking. :mrgreen:

No-one NEEDS to buy the numbered ones. Someone just paid me 4 figures for a set, and I suspect maybe 10 sets exist globally.

Will it be worth far more than 10 Annual books in 10 years? Of course. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I will add that I think another sleeper is the Canberra Stamp Show overprinted miniature sheets. Australia Post did the same as they did New York, overprinting the show's miniature sheet each day. These were not numbered, nor as attractive a sheet, but they still sold out (and were limited to 200 or 250 if memory serves me correctly.)
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David Benson wrote:Apart from Ebay and a few dealers, has anyone noted any examples of the Adelaide Provisional being included at any Auction worldwide,

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I think it's a case of waiting to see what the major catalogs do with the set.

Gibbons now lists the set as a full release with full number status

Now to see what Scott, Michel and Yvert do. Scott in particular, given the very large number of Australia collectors in North America, is really the "other shoe waiting to drop."
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David Benson wrote:Apart from Ebay and a few dealers, has anyone noted any examples of the Adelaide Provisional being included at any Auction worldwide,
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There has been no sales of full sets on eBay over the last five weeks. The last was an auction, selling at $800 on 18 May 2016.

Currently there are 4 BINs for sets at $1,500 to $1700 (an intact set), with other sets at $2,200, $3,590, $6,800, $6,926, $7,586.

Inexplicitly there are singles listed at $690 each. I think the quote from The Castle is appropriate......."Tell 'em they're dreamin'."

I'm wondering where the real value should lay?
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Received the latest Michel catalogues this morning for Zone 7 (Australia, NZ and Oceania). I haven't had too close a look at them, but I know the 30c CPS stamps are not listed in the main listing (they only go up to the Wildflower stamps from 14 December 2015), but other countries go up to late January 2016.

However, there is mention of them in the editorial (quickly photographed before heading to work):

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In my rusty, google-translated aided reading, I believe it says Michel is not going to give the issue full catalog number status but simply a text mention of their existence and value, to be listed in the Automarken section of the next edition.

So summary of what the main worldwide catalogs are doing to this point

Gibbons - full listing with own numbers
Michel - text mention of their existence in the ATM section for Australia starting next edition
Scott - undecided to date
Yvert - undecided to date
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DJCMH wrote:In my rusty, google-translated aided reading, I believe it says Michel is not going to give the issue full catalog number status but simply a text mention of their existence and value, to be listed in the Automarken section of the next edition.

So summary of what the main worldwide catalogs are doing to this point

Gibbons - full listing with own numbers
Michel - text mention of their existence in the ATM section for Australia starting next edition
Scott - undecided to date
Yvert - undecided to date
If Michel are listing under ATM section of their catalogue they have misclassified the stamp issue?

Counter-printed stamps are not ATM's.

Of the four major catalogues above, I suggest SG is the only one that really matters.

ACSC will, of course, be highly relevant, but I can't see Decimals IV appearing any time soon.

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I totally agree Rod.

They are postage stamps created by Australian postal officials solely for the purpose of being used for posting mail. Admittedly the head of Adelaide GPO might not have gotten the green light from head office to create them, but he had the machine and the authority to use it create stamps. The rest is history.

Next these people will want to re-classify P & S stamps because they were made by a machine.

These are after all P & S stamps when all is said and done.

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Just to clarify that Michel uses Automatenmarken for stamps produced by a machine where the value can vary (this includes Framas, CPS stamps etc.)

We can debate the classification of these stamps. I disagree with Michel's approach of not assigning them a catalogue number, as these were sold over the counter by post offices as 'stamps'.
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stampchris wrote:Just to clarify that Michel uses Automatenmarken for stamps produced by a machine where the value can vary (this includes Framas, CPS stamps etc.)

We can debate the classification of these stamps. I disagree with Michel's approach of not assigning them a catalogue number, as these were sold over the counter by post offices as 'stamps'.
As I read the article, these stamps ALREADY HAVE a catalogue number in Michel (someone might check their catalogue to verify), and THIS specific issue will therefore not receive a new number, rather an additional annotation on the existing listing.
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stampchris wrote:Just to clarify that Michel uses Automatenmarken for stamps produced by a machine where the value can vary (this includes Framas, CPS stamps etc.)

We can debate the classification of these stamps. I disagree with Michel's approach of not assigning them a catalogue number, as these were sold over the counter by post offices as 'stamps'.
As I read the article, these stamps ALREADY HAVE a catalogue number in Michel (someone might check their catalogue to verify), and THIS specific issue will therefore not receive a new number, rather an additional annotation on the existing listing.
Like I said my German is rusty so this may be a better understanding of the context in which Michel will list the items, that is as letter varieties of the main listing (I think it is Michel Automarken 40-45 so these might be 45I, or 45a or sth along those line, the way Michel does its listings)

And I think in terms of sequence they are right in referring to the original design of the 1990s, even if I would agree that they should probably get a full number, they are versions printed on blank ATM stamps first issued in the mid-1990s, so there is a logic to Michel's argument.
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All the Australian variable value stamps, whether obtained directly from a machine or purchased over the counter or at a philatelic event are stamps.

Whether they are handed to you over the counter or sent to you in the mail, they still have been produced by a machine.

The people who own these stamps are very fortunate and they are great to have and good luck to all who make money out of them, but don't despair if you haven't got one.

Australian framas were unique items and perfectly legitimate Australian stamps that were intended for postal purposes, but the chance of owing every paper, with every cliché, in every amount is probably impossible.
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stampchris wrote:Just to clarify that Michel uses Automatenmarken for stamps produced by a machine where the value can vary (this includes Framas, CPS stamps etc.)

We can debate the classification of these stamps. I disagree with Michel's approach of not assigning them a catalogue number, as these were sold over the counter by post offices as 'stamps'.
As I read the article, these stamps ALREADY HAVE a catalogue number in Michel (someone might check their catalogue to verify), and THIS specific issue will therefore not receive a new number, rather an additional annotation on the existing listing.
Yes this is the case. Checked last night there is a footnote to the entry mentioning the 30c value.
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markasmith wrote:All the Australian variable value stamps, whether obtained directly from a machine or purchased over the counter or at a philatelic event are stamps.

Whether they are handed to you over the counter or sent to you in the mail, they still have been produced by a machine.

The people who own these stamps are very fortunate and they are great to have and good luck to all who make money out of them, but don't despair if you haven't got one.

Australian framas were unique items and perfectly legitimate Australian stamps that were intended for postal purposes, but the chance of owing every paper, with every cliché, in every amount is probably impossible.
Out of interest didn't Australia Post have to adjust the definition of a stamp to include Framas and CPSs? Wasn't this done legally?

I think it's a good point that because any value or cliche could be printed on them then why afford them a separate catalogue listing. However, I also agree with SG too that because these were produced to meet a specific postal need and they were sold over the counter across Adelaide then this lends more weight to them deserving a separate listing. In the end it is what SG and no doubt Scott does that will have the biggest impact.
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We can debate the classification of these stamps. I disagree with Michel's approach of not assigning them a catalogue number, as these were sold over the counter by post offices as 'stamps'.
I guess logic alone dictates that these issues are 'stamps', no question.

The question, for me, is whether or not Catalogue editors should list them at all, or at best as a sort of 'footnote'.

These particular stamps were sold for a very short time at a handful (?) of post offices in and around Adelaide (?). That, in my view doesn't make them 'Australian Stamps' any more than the States' stamps issued between 1901 and 1913 were Australian stamps. These are 'locals'.

In circumstances where 99 point something per cent of the population didn't know about the stamps' existence, and had little or no chance of procuring any from the post offices which did have them on sale, they shouldn't be catalogue-listed. Just a point of view.

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If Australia Post had the label printing machinery at individual post offices, and produced these 'on demand' for those who needed an extra 30c stamp, then I would have no issue with them being mentioned as a footnote to the regular CPS stamps. This would be similar to the 'Stamps on a Roll' produced by Ireland, where they are sold to collectors with a fixed value, but can be produced by any post office with any value on them.

However, what makes these different is:
(i) Australia Post produced these at the Adelaide GPO, and they were sold over the counter at post offices across Adelaide, and at least one country post office, as 30c stamps for postage.
(ii) The machinery for printing the value was only at Adelaide GPO.
(iii) The value of these stamps is, I believe, not meant to go below the regular domestic rate. To produce a 30c value means either the machine malfunctioned, or the post office specifically allowed it.
(iv) I believe people could buy these in quantity for use later on. CPS stamps, and most post office labels, were generally only produced by the post office when a person presented a letter or parcel at the counter, and it was then posted.
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Here is a screen-shot from the Michel Online catalogue, the Australian Frama section. It is available by paid subscription only, so I can't give a link.
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My translation of the relevant text:

Sort-after and more expensive are stamps with a face-value of 30c and Adelaide 2016 inscription. Due to a shortage in postage stamps of this value, these stamps were sold over the counter at the Adelaide GPO and various suburban post offices.

My guess is that Michel are still pondering how to list these stamps and having them mentioned as a footnote isn't their final word. They're probably also waiting for the prices to settle.

True, Michel isn't high on the list of catalogues that people who collect Australia go to. But it is the number one (and pretty much only) catalogue for world-wide Framas (Automatenmarken), so this will put the issue in the sights of Frama collectors.


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starling wrote:Sort-after and more expensive are stamps with a face-value of 30c and Adelaide 2016 inscription. Due to a shortage in postage stamps of this value, these stamps were sold over the counter at the Adelaide GPO and various suburban post offices.
Do you mean "Sought-after"?
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muruk wrote:
starling wrote:Sort-after and more expensive are stamps with a face-value of 30c and Adelaide 2016 inscription. Due to a shortage in postage stamps of this value, these stamps were sold over the counter at the Adelaide GPO and various suburban post offices.
Do you mean "Sought-after"?
Yes :oops: Maybe I meant that everyone is sort of after them :idea:


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Talking about "highly sought after..."

Has anybody put together a set of ALL six different designs postally used on piece or cover...early dates or older dates..

And even more sought after a set of ALL six different designs with any vars Albino print , missing literals etc etc postally used on piece or cover..early dates or older dates...

Time is ticking on !!! tick-tock tick-tock !!

So upload here!
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Add to above:

A set of ALL six different designs Postally Used (non-contrived) on piece or cover manually GPO cancelled (not machine cancelled)...early dates or older dates or no dates..

This could take a life time to accumulate!
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Maybe this auction description will accentuate the scarcity of these postally used examples ..read for yourself I coudn't describe it better myself!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Stamps-AUSTRALIA-2016-Adelaide-30 ... SwRQlXdP63
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A used set of 6 of the 30c will be a VERY rare beast. :)

Even a set 6 of the $1 postally used before June 30 will be surprisingly scarce.

Adelaide GPO played hardball. ANY covers marked or inscribed "Last Day Of CPS" they refused to cancel even with the normal date-stamp.
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Global Administrator wrote:A used set of 6 of the 30c will be a VERY rare beast. :)

Even a set 6 of the $1 postally used before June 30 will be surprisingly scarce.

Adelaide GPO played hardball. ANY covers marked or inscribed "Last Day Of CPS" they refused to cancel even with the normal date-stamp.
.....and it doesn't end there with the refusal to cancel either..

Having failed in attempts to secure an Adelaide CDS on the last-date-of-issue and knowing I now had precious little time to get mint versions of the stamps sorted out, I hurried off an order via express delivery with request for some mint $1 CPS sets. To my relief I tracked that the order arrived in Adelaide in good time on the morning of the 30th and I sat back a happy man waiting for the registered post label to be activated on my self-addressed, return, envelope - I'd left nothing to chance.

During the weekend became slightly concerned that something might be amiss as still no registered-post activation. They must be snowed under I thought! All good...

I had a call this morning from Adelaide GPO and I was politely informed that as my order had only just arrived (4th July) I was past the deadline of the 30th June. I realise that would be the case I stated, but I can see from the online tracking that my 'order' was delivered to Adelaide on the 30th. The man from the GPO was completely taken aback and then extremely apologetic and said he could assure me it had only reached him this morning which is why he was calling me to let me know. (The image below shows the audit trail)

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The man from the GPO went on further to say that APO made him send all the others (the remaining $1 CPS stamps) back the next day (the 1st July) and he said that an overseas collector had lodged an order 3 months ago and it only turned up on the 1st July. The man from the GPO was informed by management that under no circumstances was he allowed to fulfill that overseas order even though he still had the stamps in the safe at that time.

Not the Adelaide GPO man's fault but to say i was p@%!$ed off over the whole thing would be an understatement! I doubt this is an isolated tale either..............

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Well Glen & Ian

Aust Post had a chance to use up all of the unused stock with a "last day literal". Instead the unused ones will be consigned to the incinerator, what a waste :!:

The refusal to postmark "last day covers" & complete postal orders which were clearly sent before June 30 is just pig headed stupidity.

Here was a chance to make some friends & do some good "P R" & all they did was show themselves to be a bunch of turkeys.

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