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abctoo wrote:
17 Oct 2020 15:57
Jaipur Postal Cards:

Rediscovered the following Jaipur postal cards. I searched the over 15,000 posts in this thread for more information and while I did find a couple of 1940's pictured, the only substantive information I could find was in Eric Casagrande's posts around Dec 17, 2009, in which one he discusses a Jaipur section of Deschl's book on postal stationery. Elsewhere I found that book is highly sought after and impossible to obtain. Casagrande talks about a ¼ anna postcard wrapper with a 1923 cancellation virtually identical to the cancellation on the 1924 postcard below, referencing #C17 & C19 (presumably from the Deschl book). And then there's the similar 1938 Jaipur postal card. Perhaps, someone can suggest how to do better searches of this thread?
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Hey Mike

Sorry to burst your bubble, but these Jaipur cards are quite ordinary and that includes the cancellation as well. If you were perhaps looking for a value then they would be $1 each. Sorry!

Having said that Jaipur postal stationary and postal history is a field as deep as an ocean to collect. And extremely interesting as well. I have been collecting this space alone for over a decade now and I still feel I haven't been able to achieve much.

The Edward Deschl's book that you refer, The Comprehensive Indian States Postal Stationary Listings, is a rare book indeed. I fortunately have an author signed copy with me. This book as such is rarer than most of the items discussed inside. So is The Postage Stamps of Jaipur by J.R.M. Albrecht, published by Stanley Gibbons 1924.
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indianchariots wrote:
17 Oct 2020 17:31
abctoo wrote:
17 Oct 2020 15:57
Jaipur Postal Cards:

Rediscovered the following Jaipur postal cards. I searched the over 15,000 posts in this thread for more information and while I did find a couple of 1940's pictured, the only substantive information I could find was in Eric Casagrande's posts around Dec 17, 2009, in which one he discusses a Jaipur section of Deschl's book on postal stationery. . . . Casagrande talks about a ¼ anna postcard wrapper with a 1923 cancellation virtually identical to the cancellation on the 1924 postcard below, referencing #C17 & C19 (presumably from the Deschl book). And then there's the similar 1938 Jaipur postal card. Perhaps, someone can suggest how to do better searches of this thread? . . . .

Hey Mike

Sorry to burst your bubble, but these Jaipur cards are quite ordinary and that includes the cancellation as well. If you were perhaps looking for a value then they would be $1 each. Sorry!

Having said that Jaipur postal stationary and postal history is a field as deep as an ocean to collect. And extremely interesting as well. I have been collecting this space alone for over a decade now and I still feel I haven't been able to achieve much.

The Edward Deschl's book that you refer, The Comprehensive Indian States Postal Stationary Listings, is a rare book indeed. I fortunately have an author signed copy with me. This book as such is rarer than most of the items discussed inside. So is The Postage Stamps of Jaipur by J.R.M. Albrecht, published by Stanley Gibbons 1924.
I think there is a slight misunderstanding about my post. Casagrande's Dec 17, 2009 post about a Jaipur ¼ anna postal card wrapper with a 1923 cancellation similar to the 1924 one on my card, and the references to two 1940's cards, certainly suggest they are common cards. I had a difficult time finding that information in this thread and posted my cards to illustrate the point.

My real question remains: "Perhaps, someone can suggest how to do better searches of this thread?"

I threw up my hands in surrender with my post above of three Tranvancore-Cochin-Anchal / Indian Posts and Telegraphs Department postal cards because they are transitory out of the Feudal States period.

Really, I would appreciate it if there are those who could provide clear suggestions on how to effectively search the "Banging the drum for the Uglies" thread for all the nuances that its multi-subject matters demand.

Thanks,

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The thread, as you have seen, is a mine of information, but for a relative newcomer it is hard to pinpoint information.

The best you can do is search for the relevant terms and patiently work through the results.

What it really needs is an index, but that would be a colossal piece of work.

On the matter of postal stationery and Ed Deschl's book, it certainly is hard to find. I recently acquired one after years of trying to track it down.

However, if you join the India Study Circle, the online library has a very good quality downloadable pdf of the entire catalogue, as well as many other valuable resources.

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17 Oct 2020 16:16
Travancore-Cochin-Anchal & Indian Posts Postal Stationery

Here are three Travancore-Cochin 4 Pies cards I would like a little more information about. The old Higgins & Gage Postal Stationery catalogue lists the first one as H&G #14 but gives no further information about it. Note this copy of it has a faint double impression of the entire printing. The other two, are Indian Posts obliteration of the Travancore-Cochin markings on similar postal cards with overprinting to make them Indian Posts & Telegraphs cards.
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The 4 pies Travancore-Cochin postal card is one of the commonest Indian States postal stationery items. It is catalogued 10 cents in the Deschl catalogue (Deschl C4).

It was litho printed at Nasik and first issued in 1950.

Deschl records that large quantities of remainders were sold as scrap paper, and as you have seen, many were also overprinted for use post-Independence by the Indian Posts and Telegraphs Department for Postal Service use.
These are beyond the scope of the Deschl catalogue, but exist in many different types and varieties, again mostly common. These were still being used into the 1970s and '80s.

I haven't seen the double impression before, and it is not listed in the catalogue. I suspect it is a blanket offset rather than a true double print, but is still an interesting item.

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17 Oct 2020 23:03
The 4 pies Travancore-Cochin postal card is one of the commonest Indian States postal stationery items. It is catalogued 10 cents in the Deschl catalogue (Deschl C4).

It was litho printed at Nasik and first issued in 1950.

Deschl records that large quantities of remainders were sold as scrap paper, and as you have seen, many were also overprinted for use post-Independence by the Indian Posts and Telegraphs Department for Postal Service use.
These are beyond the scope of the Deschl catalogue, but exist in many different types and varieties, again mostly common. These were still being used into the 1970s and '80s.

I haven't seen the double impression before, and it is not listed in the catalogue. I suspect it is a blanket offset rather than a true double print, but is still an interesting item.
I agree about it being a blanket offset as these appear to have been initially printed on a rotary press. Also, thank you for the information about how to obtain a copy of the Deschl catalogue mentioned above in another of your previous posts. We all try to do our best. Your help has been most appreciated.

Be well,

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Really, I would appreciate it if there are those who could provide clear suggestions on how to effectively search the "Banging the drum for the Uglies" thread for all the nuances that its multi-subject matters demand.

Thanks,

Mike
I've found regular Google searches with "Stampboards banging the drum" as the first search phrase followed by other phrases seems to work well.

For ex : "Stampboards banging the drum Bhor SG1 double print" returns page 306 as the top match where you see a post about the double prints.
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And another : "Stampboards banging the drum Jammu and Kashmir unissued T19 state" - the top match has a discussion about the unissued T19 states.
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Obviously, as with any search you start with a broad search and then make your search more precise.
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For your Jaipur case, I tried "stampboards banging the drum jaipur 1938 post card" - the top match is below:
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On page 171, I see the post below by Tony:
https://stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?p=3281536#p3281536

Not sure if that is exactly what you're looking for, but you get the idea of one way to navigate the thread. HTH.

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I need some help with the following item :

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Jhalawar SG1 1p in yellow green with a circle bar J cancellation. According to DR Martin (Numbers in Early India Cancellations), this is a Type 19 cancellation and J is for Rajputana Circle and the period for this cancellation was 1873-1884.

Rajputana circle makes sense for post from Jhalawar. However, Jhalawar stamps were valid from 1886-1890 so the stamps and cancellation do not seem to go together. It could be a forgery (I've not seen this cancellation on a cover), but the item came from a specialist lot.

Am I misinterpreting Martin's information? Is there another reference I should be consulting? Or is this a known type of forged cancellation?

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I don't know if these are genuine or faked, but this one on SG 2 was in the Benns collection:

Jhalawar SG2 with J in circle of bars cancellation
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Thanks Peter. Benns is good provenance of course, so there is likely more to this story.

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I have the same on SG 1 - the orientation of the obliteration is similar to yours and the SG 1 shade also matches. Probably both belong to the same strip. The only catch is that mine is on piece, by the way it seems even yours is on piece?

Jhalawar SG 1 - J bars in circle cancel
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I still have to receive the item but it seems to be on piece though the borders are trimmed.

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Just saw this cancel on ebay on cover dated 1892 – here is the link:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/British-India-Victoria-QV-1-2a-Pair ... 2518.l4276
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Nice find Roman. This cover has a usage stamp of 1892. So evidently usage was seen well beyond the time frame in Martin's book. The cancelled stamps could have been CTO, but a forgery seems unlikely?

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Nice find Roman. This cover has a usage stamp of 1892. So evidently usage was seen well beyond the time frame in Martin's book. The cancelled stamps could have been CTO, but a forgery seems unlikely?
I know nothing about these bars cancellations, but there is a clear difference between cancellation on the cover and on your Jhalawar stamps – both proportions and shape of “J” are different. Different compared to all Jhalawar stamps posted above. Not sure if it plays a role, but it would be suspicious to me.

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Here's a misidentified Jhalawar cancel described as "India 1880 [Slaharry St / B.O. / Hewara] (?) 1a Postal Envelope Sent to Bombay Uprated 9pies Pair SG77 Tied with Manuscript "Late Fee paid" & Cancelled "J" in Bars; Light Cancellations; FINE & SCARCE $195.00 $165.75" at
https://www.compustamp.com/product/india-1880-slaharry-st-b- ... e-scarce/
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Hope this is of some use.

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abctoo wrote:
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Here's a misidentified Jhalawar cancel described as "India 1880 [Slaharry St / B.O. / Hewara] (?) 1a Postal Envelope Sent to Bombay Uprated 9pies Pair SG77 Tied with Manuscript "Late Fee paid" & Cancelled "J" in Bars; Light Cancellations; FINE & SCARCE $195.00 $165.75" at
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Hope this is of some use.

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It is hard to read the cancellation. Post from Jhalawar would have been stamped Jhalraptan. I can make out RY STN (Railway Station?) and "EPWARA".

This letter J in this cancellation matches the one I'm asking about while the previous one does not (as pointed out by Roman). Perhaps the letter slug went through some changes during use?

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For fans of Kishangarh,
A composite essay for the 1913 Diamond Soap works printed issue. The border is hand drawn and the rajah's picture is cut and pasted in
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A 2. Annas revenue proof depicting Maharajah Madhav Singh hand painted on card and a subsequent Perkins Bacons sunken proof in green mounted on gray card
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and finally the 2Annas Die proof in black on wove paper
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Congratulations on finding this "stuff" from Kishangarh. Mike

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Thanks for sharing those Kishangarh items shivnair. They are lovely !

They offer us convincing counterexamples to the "Uglies" in the thread title. ;)

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For fans of Kishangarh,
A composite essay for the 1913 Diamond Soap works printed issue. The border is hand drawn and the rajah's picture is cut and pasted in
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Treat to eyes! I also see Devanagari value of at bottom is cut and pasted.

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I have this charkhari postcard:

Front:
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Deschl mentions C4 as 1/4+1/4 Anna rose violet on buff, stamp on upper right of each card.
He mentions C4a as same with stamp on front of message card and back of reply card.

I was wondering whether my card is C4 or C4a.

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Mike@abctoo, Roger and Icollect. Thank you.@Roger,I agree with your comment that the proofs, essays and trials as well as original artwork, show another side of the so called "uglies". This thread, "banging the drum. for the uglies" is truly a broad church, we have aficionados of flyspeck philately, lovers of postal stationary, dedicated postal historians and those who just enjoy the history and the designs. I collect only "the difficult to get but fun to track down stuff" and over the years have had great fun doing so.

Here are examples of two rather obscure states
The first one is a Dickinson sample book page for Jath state.

Jath State was one of the non-salute Maratha princely states of British India, one of the former Southern Maratha Jagirs, belonging to the Bijapur Agency, under the Bombay Presidency, which later became part of the Deccan States Agency. Jath state covered an area of 980 square miles (2,500 km2) consisting of 119 villages. It had independent ruling powers (judiciary, revenue and police). The state enjoyed a revenue estimated at £24,000 and paid a tribute of £700 to the British Raj.
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The second set of proofs are from the. archives of Dickinson, and are for another pretty obscure state Ali Rajpur.

The 1911 edition of The Encyclopedia Britannica. has this to say about Ali Rajpur "ALIRAJPUR, a native state of India, under the Bhopawar agency in central India. It lies in Malwa, near the frontier of Bombay. The chief, whose title is Rana, is a Rahtor Rajput. He has an estimated revenue of £8700, and pays a tribute of £700.
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Thanks shivnair for your two most recent posts — wonderful items!

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shivnair wrote:
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The second set of proofs are from the. archives of Dickinson, and are for another pretty obscure state Ali Rajpur.
The Ali Rajpur order information is extremely interesting, particularly showing the type corrections. It seems the original pencil drawing of the stamp was read by Dickerson as containing six "characters" in the upper left portion of the name instead of five as in the corrected version. The difference in type faces between the old raja's stamp and the new one certainly show just how varied printed type faces can be.

The total number of 1 anna stamps ordered was 64,000, worth 4,000 rupees (16 anna to the rupee). At the time, I understand the rupee was valued at 1/6 (1½ shillings), making the order equivalent to some £300 in revenue stamps.

The stamps plus great ancillary material! Would it be correct to assume Dickerson make its typed summary of the transaction shortly after it shipped the stamps?

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May I comment on the post by Mike = abctoo, to add a little linguistic information.


Hindi is written in Devanagari script, as are various other northern Indian languages.
Devanagari is an abugida or "syllabic script". Its basic characters are all consonants,
with an inherent vowel ə [pronounced as in English "arrive" — /əˈraɪv/]. Vowels other
than the inherent vowel are added by diacritics, variously placed before, after, above
or below the consonant they attach to.

For example, र is the consonant equivalent to 'r' or 'rə' when pronounced with
its inherent vowel. If the diacritic ि is added, so the character becomes रि ,
then it is pronounced 'ri', with a short 'i'. If instead, the diacritic ी is added,
so the character becomes री , then it is pronounced 'ree' (= rī). And so on.

I suggest that र and रि and री should each be counted as single Devanagari characters,
just as e and é and è are each counted as single letters in written French.

That said, I suggest that रियासत = रि या स त is written with four characters.
The brown 1 anna proof dated 3.3.22 mistakenly used रन = र न [r n] for स [s].
This was corrected in the red 1 anna proof dated 25 May 1922.

The brown 1 anna proof dated 3.3.22 apparently used दा [dā] for अ [ā]
in the spelling of आना [ānā] — anna, corrected in the red proof.

Incidentally, श्री [shrī] — Mr, mister has the components श्री = श् + र + ी [ʃ + r + ī]
I suggest that it also counts as a single character.

Several relevant posts are available in the Stamps and Languages thread, especially
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=90529&start=387
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रियासत
riyāsat
[princely] state

रि = र + िr,rə + i = ri
या = य + ा y,yə + ā = yā
s,sə = sə
t,tə = t
Pronunciation
IPA(key): /ɾɪ.jɑː.sət̪/, [ɾi.jäː.s̪ət̪]
Noun
रियासत • (riyāsat) f (Urdu spelling ریاست‎)
(a) a sovereign state — Synonym: राज्य (rājya)
(b) rule, control
(c) (historical) a princely state
Etymology:
Borrowed from Persian ریاست‎ (riyâsat), from Arabic رِئَاسَة‎ (riʾāsa).
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A4
The blue 1 anna stamp issued for the previous Raja was inscribed (right side, from top)
अलीराजपुर स्टेट
alīrājapur stet
Ali-Rajpur State

अलीराजपुर = अ ली रा ज पु र (six characters)
अ [a], ली = ल + ी [l + ī], रा = र + ा [r + ā], ज [j, jə], पु = प + ु [p + u], र [r, rə]
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The initial character used for अ on the stamp is an older form of that character,
replaced by the newer form for the new stamps. The same change of character
is present in the spelling of आना .
The word स्टेट = स्टे ट (two characters) is a transcription of the English word "state"
स्टे = स् + ट + े [s + t + e]
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RogerE wrote:
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May I comment . . . to add a little linguistic information. * * *

I suggest that र and रि and री should each be counted as single Devanagari characters,
just as e and é and è are each counted as single letters in written French.

That said, I suggest that रियासत = रि या स त is written with four characters.
The brown 1 anna proof dated 3.3.22 mistakenly used रन = र न [r n] for स [s].
This was corrected in the red 1 anna proof dated 25 May 1922.

The brown 1 anna proof dated 3.3.22 apparently used दा [dā] for अ [ā]
in the spelling of आना [ānā] — anna, corrected in the red proof. * * *

Several relevant posts are available in the Stamps and Languages thread, especially
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=90529&start=387

/RogerE :D
Just like the Dickerson people, I see how easy it was for me to misread the Devanagari script (as it is likewise with other Indic scripts).

I much appreciate the reference to https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=90529&start=387 . It's a good start to appreciating the subtleties appearing on both the "Uglies" and the "pretty" stamps of the Feudal States.

Thanks again for the information. I have a long way to go.

Mike

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The David Feldman - India states auction catalogue is out. High estimates on a lot of common eBay items and not to forget there is 20% commission on top of that.

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I partially agree with you. Some very ordinary items and also some high-end rarities.

Did you notice the Jaipur with fake cancellations? Two impossible to ascertain (lots 50327 and 50335) and one with a Sunil Suri fake (the I rupee lot 50328).

For those not familiar with these, they are much more highly catalogued used. For example, this 1 rupee is £20 mint and £250 used in SG 2020.

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Not only you, lots of other collectors feel the same. I agree there are some high end items which are good, but my comment was only with the low value items.

Lot 50327 - Jaipur 1932-46 8a black and chocolate, used, very fine is estimated £195 and Lot 50335 -
OFFICIALS: 1936-46 2 1/2a black and carmine, used is estimated £40. I agree, its not possible to consider these as USED.
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Any Bhor experts... Is the second stamp in this genuine?
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Any Bhor experts... Is the second stamp in this genuine?
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No, the 1 Anna is not genuine. Bhor stamps were printed in watercolor, the right one is in oil. Congrats in identifying it as not genuine, i mean you felt its not genuine. These stamps are quite common, wonder why someone would have to create oil-color forgeries.

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No, the 1 Anna is not genuine. Bhor stamps were printed in watercolor, the right one is in oil. Congrats in identifying it as not genuine, i mean you felt its not genuine. These stamps are quite common, wonder why someone would have to create oil-color forgeries.
Thank you psphani.. I’m not sure how to tell apart the oil & water colors but it just didn’t look right when compared to previously posted Bhor stamps on this thread. It was on eBay.
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Staying on the topic of Bhor, can someone please help to identify if all or any of the below 3 stamps are genuine

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SG 1 and 3 are genuine. SG 2 looks like a forgery to me.

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Do anyone have pdf of Harell sale of Indian state stamps by Stanley Gibbons ?

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Thank u so much Peterh...
I am really grateful...

I joined late in stamp collecting and thus missed many great sales, hope that more will keep on coming.
Lot 540 in Harell sale,,,,,wanted to look at it, as I had a personal connection with it. My mother's grandfather was a well known specialist of Jaipur and this cover is addressed to him.

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http://imgur.com/a/2Hh9uSj

This is an essay of unissued Jaipur stamp from his collection. Only two of these survived which are now housed in Jaipur museum.
I got to know this yesterday only from the facebook post of Mr Ratan Chand Bhati, a well known specialist of Jaipur.

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medicoirfan wrote:
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http://imgur.com/a/2Hh9uSj

This is an essay of unissued Jaipur stamp from his collection. Only two of these survived which are now housed in Jaipur museum.
I got to know this yesterday only from the facebook post of Mr Ratan Chand Bhatia, a well known specialist of Jaipur.

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peterh wrote:
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SG 1 and 3 are genuine. SG 2 looks like a forgery to me.
Thank you Peter

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