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Nice covers Diver Pete,

Not seen the labels before :D
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Thanks Neill! :mrgreen: 8)

For some reason, I LOVE vignettes and actively chase them both on cover (tied especially) and by themselves.

For example, here is AAMC 700a with a 1936 Adelaide Airways Ltd label

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Here is what Eustis says:

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Note that it is in Eustis's own hand and has an additional German airmail label. :mrgreen:
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One of my all time favourites is the yellow vignette attached to AAMC 114 & 115. Here is my AAMC 115b: :mrgreen:

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Again this is what the AAMC has to say:

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Diver Pete wrote:
Auzzie Learner wrote:I have 15 mixed 50th Anniversary of the first flight England to Australia.
Also all covers come with the pilots signature.
Would love to know more info and value.
Righto, Sunday afternoon, listening to the Swans & Richmond clashing in the arena gives me time to provide some answers! 8)

Auzzie Learner the following is an extract from the Australian Air Mail Catalogue that references your covers.

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There are 17 covers (as listed) for this flight and I have found that you can pick these up at shows for a couple of dollars each.

That said, some of the more obscure legs can approach catalogue value!

I hope that helps! 8)

Thanks Diver Pete,yes this helps a lot.
Well it seems I don't have Italy and Charleville. I'm going to keep my eye out for these two.
Would be nice to complete the set... Hope your team went well today Pete...
Oh,just checking,the France - Australia has the Paris postmark. Is this correct ?
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Auzzie Learner wrote:Thanks Diver Pete,yes this helps a lot. You said 17 covers for this set. You have only shown 15.
If you count them you get 17! not 15... :lol:
Auzzie Learner wrote:Would the other two covers be : Jersey and This one ( scan below ) ??

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Well it seems I don't have Italy and Charleville. I'm going to keep my eye out for these two.

Would be nice to complete the set... Hope your team went well today Pete...
Well the Swans beat Richmond but were trying the damnest to lose! :?

I believe it to be AAMC 1690 as it is purely philatelic and signed by Eustis and Captain Gillespie. 8)

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Speaking of nice vignettes, here's one (designed by Ernie Crome) on a classic cover that I missed out on in a US auction yesterday #$[at]& it :shock:

Last flight of the Southern Cross signed by KFS, his wife, flight crew and friends (including the late Charles Ulm's son):

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It started off at $180 and my bid at about 3 times that almost won it until others jumped in. It went for $675 plus 17% commission. Though that's still a reasonable price for this particular cover.

The specific one above is in the next Leski auction but it's a bit higher than I want to go. It's lot 1591 on this page and minimum bid is $750 :!: :

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

I also bid three times but my last bid was $100 short! :?

Do you know what lot 36 went for? I was out bid at $2100.... :(

Here is my copy but with the imperforate vignette (was hoping for the pair.... :( )

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I have posted them elsewhere (probably the Crome thread) but here is the same flight with perforate vignette (less signatures).

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Nice Pete,

Was the top one from Leski's Eustis sale as it looks familiar :?:
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Diver Pete wrote: Do you know what lot 36 went for? I was out bid at $2100.... :(
Lot #36: 1920s-2000s BRITISH & OTHER FLIGHT COVERS/AUTOGRAPH COLLECTION went for $4,095 and that's from a $2,500 to $3,500 estimate :shock:

BTW - did you get their catalogue, it is brilliant and worth it for the aerospace collectables/signatures alone 8) 8)

I should add for others that the auction was the Regency Superior one in St. Louis, Missouri.
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Lakatoi 4 wrote:Nice Pete,

Was the top one from Leski's Eustis sale as it looks familiar :?:
I did not buy the top one from Leski. If I recollect, it was from a dealer in London whilst he was on pilgrimage to Oz at one of the shows a couple of years ago.

That said, I think the bottom one came from Leski's! :lol: 8)
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Lakatoi 4 wrote:
Diver Pete wrote: Do you know what lot 36 went for? I was out bid at $2100.... :(
Lot #36: 1920s-2000s BRITISH & OTHER FLIGHT COVERS/AUTOGRAPH COLLECTION went for $4,095 and that's from a $2,500 to $3,500 estimate :shock:
I expected as much! I only really wanted the Cobham covers. All I can say is glad that I was not there or I would be poorer! :lol:
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Diver Pete wrote: BTW - did you get their catalogue, it is brilliant and worth it for the aerospace collectables/signatures alone 8) 8)

I should add for others that the auction was the Regency Superior one in St. Louis, Missouri.
Absolutely! :mrgreen:

I wonder what the plantetary space suit on the cover went for?

Lot 380 1990 Spectacular Command Control Presure suit $150,000 - $200,000

Boy that would be a cracker at a party! :lol:

Edit: Just noted that it was passed in but openned at $125K!
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Pete .. those vignettes are a superb group .. never seen those before.

Tony shame about the Smithy cover - I am buying a Smithy cover now if you are fretting where to spend the money saved .... but from a ROSS Smith!

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Glen - If it is at the same price as the Kingsford Smith - SOLD!!! :mrgreen: :lol:

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Hah, Regency had the total winning bid at US$673 for the KFS last flight cover (which I thought a strange number and not a bid increment at the time).

I've just received an email from them saying I won it at US$575 8) 8)

Now they have updated their prices realised to say that the total includes commission :roll:

So a good price at around AU$637 for that seeing a similar one at the next Leski sale has a reserve of $750 and I think it will be sold for around $850 or so plus commission, so total around $1,000 :!:
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Well done! Sorry I did not push you harder, with me being the under bidder! :lol:

I noticed that lot 36 only went for $3500, as I received my bidding notice late last night!

Wait a minute...

I thought you supposed to be retired! Not spending your retirement! :lol:
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Oh well, time for another vignette on cover... :mrgreen:

This is the return flight from the reopening of the Rabaul to Sydney flight in 1947.

AAMC1092 (pilot signed) :mrgreen:

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Here is what Eustis has to say:

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IIRC have not seen a received cancel on the front of a cover. :wink:

There is nothing on the back at all!
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Diver Pete wrote: I noticed that lot 36 only went for $3500, as I received my bidding notice late last night!
Pete, you have to add their (high) 17% commission to that amount :idea:
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Diver Pete wrote:
Glen - If it is at the same price as the Kingsford Smith - SOLD!!! :mrgreen: :lol:

Ha! Dream on. :)

It will be very attractively priced tho.

No 17% add ons either. :)

Indeed it is signed on reverse, and better still started its life from AIF in Baghdad, and is marked "O.A.S".

I have a photo of the sender and his unit in Mesopotamia where he sent it from, and indeed he went on to a high rank in WW2.

Almost no Ross Smith covers has a history of the senders.

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Still interested! 8)

Either send me an e-mail or let me know when it goes on your rarity page!

A couple of vignettes to whet people appetite!

AAMC 113 - Sydney to Norfolk Island - Pilot signed and addressed to Crome. :mrgreen: I have another addressed to The Manager Burns Philip House.

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AAMC 114 - Norfolk Island to Sydney - Pilot signed

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Interesting, there is a lot of information on the Ross Smith OAS (On Active Service) covers on page 22 of the AAMC.

Only 26 know OAS covers from Baghdad to London then back to Australia.

With that few covers, the significance of the pilot and the early aerophilatelic era date (1919) that will be one GREAT cover no doubt 8)
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The Vignettes are nice on cover, and agree you see less of them than one would imagine.

I sold a group of Mornington Island recently that had them on each, which were nice.

Note sure if you could buy the Qantas ones in books?

I have a complete stamp booklet of the green Qantas Vienna 1950s/60s ones here somewhere. Which is pretty odd as I can't recall seeing them used on the maany FFC from there and the many intermediates!

I bought them in the estate of a chap who worked for Qantas and they might have been "liberated" internally! He had the Mornington covers, so had a stamp interest.

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Global Administrator wrote: The Vignettes are nice on cover, and agree you see less of them than one would imagine.

I sold a group of Mornington Island recently that had them on each, which were nice.
They are indeed nice! I will scan and post up them all later! :mrgreen:
Global Administrator wrote:Note sure if you could buy the Qantas ones in books?
Never seen them in books! :shock:

I have only ever bought mine singly...
Global Administrator wrote:I have a complete stamp booklet of the green Qantas Vienna 1950s/60s ones here somewhere. Which is pretty odd as I can't recall seeing them used on the maany FFC from there and the many intermediates!

I bought them in the estate of a chap who worked for Qantas and they might have been "liberated" internally! He had the Mornington covers, so had a stamp interest.
From this flight?

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If you find them, can you put them aside for me as I have never seen the cachet on a sticker as these were printed on the envelope (including all my intermediates!)
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Pete - yes I have never seen labels either.

He had them in an envelope marked "Special" - so that might mean anything.

Maybe they meant to affix to covers, then went for the printed version.

Booklet cover says "Vienna Envelope Stickers" so seems very precise.

One was a full book of 12 Mini Sheets 4 = 48. The other had 4 Mini sheets and a single = 17.

All had glassine interleaving between Mini sheets .. i.e. just like postage stamp booklets of the time. In the ensuing 46 years of humidity, they have mostly stuck to the interleaving.

I had planned to toss them into water and end up with 16 clean Mini Sheets of 4, and 2 sets of covers to sell over the years.

They appear un-recorded so a Mini Sheet at a time would always attract interest.

There were only 2160 covers flown so even if they did stickers would not have made too many.

If a cover is $25 a Mini Sheet is a lot more is my guess. Most earlier Qantas stickers are in the $100 a sticker league.

However time in my enemy these days and I never get time to do things like soaking! If anyone wants to mess around with them they are $100 the part book, $250 the full one, or $300 the both! :lol:

At less than $20 a Mini Sheet, a nice lot for someone if no others are found out there! :)

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These are right up my alley Glen!

I will take both for $300! :mrgreen:

Add them to the Chichester cover and I will fix you up for both this week.

I know, I know.... fill in the form... code = Vienna Envelope Stickers

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Interesting lot Pete.

I think you now have cornered the world market for mini sheets of these! :mrgreen:

In a Desert Magic the mini sheets will come up fine and flat, and the back will look like it had flat tropic gum probably.

Qantas Aeriana is a pretty hot theme, and adding one now and again to ebay at $50 start price a Sheet will get your dough back pretty past, and still leave you with a book for your collection totally free!

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Ahoj Global Administrator, Lakatoi 4 and Diver Pete!

Thank you all for your helpful comments. Sorry for the delay in acknowledging, but I am at present on walkabout.

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The 1931 Imperial Airways First Experimental flight from England to Australia and return comprised of a number of intermediate legs:

On the 13th. April, this cover was one of 150 picked up from Allahabad and flown to Calcutta:

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On the return flight from Australia, this cover was one of 123 picked up in Calcutta on 4th. May and flown to Delhi:

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My favorite is the 6th Trans-Tasman flight cover from Australia to New Zealand in the Southern Cross,piloted and signed by Sir Charles Kingsford Smith.

What I like the best (next to the signature of course) about this cover is the use of 2 of the 5d overprint airmail stamps.

The 5d stamp was brought out on the 18th Dec 1931 for internal publicity purposes to advertise the advantages of Airmail and used on a series of internal flights to carry Christmas greetings .

The 3d issue was printed in yellow-green and overprinted 5d in red especially for these flights and remained on sale with the other values until they were all withdrawn on 31 October 1935.

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Rebel T K wrote:My favorite is the 6th Trans-Tasman flight cover from Australia to New Zealand in the Southern Cross,piloted and signed by Sir Charles Kingsford Smith.

What I like the best (next to the signature of course) about this cover is the use of 2 of the 5d overprint airmail stamps.

The 5d stamp was brought out on the 18th Dec 1931 for internal publicity purposes to advertise the advantages of Airmail and used on a series of internal flights to carry Christmas greetings .

The 3d issue was printed in yellow-green and overprinted 5d in red especially for these flights and remained on sale with the other values until they were all withdrawn on 31 October 1935.

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Not only that, you also have the OOT 1928 and the March 1935 error on the signed cover! :mrgreen:

The normal card shows Oct 1928 and March 1934....
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Put this little beauty into stock today. At first glance I assumed it was a first flight cover. But further research showed that not to be do, either internally or to NZ of course, and it is actually a FDC, but not obviously so - what do others think?
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FDC's of these are not common at all, and are ACSC Retail $50 for a common type, near all of which are locally addressed.

This is from "DALY WATERS N.A." ("Northern Australia") and is via 'airmail' to the east coast, and by sea to NZ.

ANY postmark from the NT from 80 years ago is SCARCE, other than Darwin/Alice/Katherine.

Population even today there is literally EIGHT persons! -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daly_Waters,_Northern_Territory

2 lovely clear strikes of "Daly Water N.A.", and a sharp Brisbane March 29 backstamp. So much for the hefty 3d extra Airmail service - took 10 days to get to Brisbane!

It is not marked as a FDC, and may well have been commercial mail sent luckily on that day - who knows? Sea Post to British Empire was 2d, and the airmail within Australia fee was 3d, so it is correctly paid for a commercial mail piece.

There is no person's name on address side, and that adds weight to it possibly being a business mail shot?

Arrival cds on face is April 15 .. no idea where "Moray Place " is. (the FIRST air mail Trans-Tasman was of course not until 1934)

The Daly Waters cds I have seen in the past said "N.T" at base and that was used in a fair bit until 1930 as several flight covers I have show that cds.

The "N.A" at base seem to be a replacement cancel that got little use. I saw a commercial cover with this cds get near $300 with add ons so a rare cancel it seems.

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a recent one...

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Here's my newest cover, a 4 way, the only one I have ever seen.

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When I saw this one,I just had to buy it :lol:

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Now that is one very "busy" cover :!:

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Some new ones, just got:

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A pair for Japan:

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Heads up, I wrote the comments below in Jan 2010. I noticed the cover up on ebay today again. Item Number 230690972508 with mafeking100, the seller. I alerted him to the Stampboards posting and recommended he close down the auction or advise buyers. I see one bunny in there at $50 already....
spud2911 wrote:Here is one I saw on eBay recently.
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I added the real Smithy signature bottom right to make this obvious for stampbaord readers. When I saw the auction, I did the following:

1) I alerted "runforcovers" that the signature was inconsistent with typical Smithy signatures and advised him to check the Smithy Flickr web site to see an example: https://www.flickr.com/photos/spud2911/sets/72157611724031859/detail/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2) runforcovers agreed to close down the auction. At that point there was about 2 days to go and it had gone from USD24.99 Starting bid to USD60.67 with three separate bidders. With "Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and cancelled all bids"

Ref: Item number: 200427838275 from a very legit seller runforcovers ( 20236)

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Well spotted - report this seller folks for offering a forgery if he does not pull it soon -

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/230690972508

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Good news, the forged Smithy signature cover was pulled overnight from eBay.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/230690972508

Here is the sellers response to my email.

Dear spud2911,
Hi. I've pulled the lot as I heard similar news from another buyer in OZ.
Regards, Peter

- mafeking100
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Wish some of the other dodgy ebay sellers reacted with such ethics! :)

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I had a major problem with delivery of a proof flight cover from mafeking100. I had to open a case against him with eBay and would NEVER deal with him again :!:

Runforcovers on the other hand is a very good seller. I've bought off him a number of times without any problems.
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To all collectors of Australian Airmail material.

Argyll Etkin Ltd of London are selling the John Sussex RDP collection
on 10,11 November 2011.

Some very items in the sale especially early covers.
Neill - Always looking for Australian PTPO covers

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It's a very comprehensive collection with pretty well everything covered, however, some are in far from great condition. An example is the 1935 last flight of the Southern Cross from Richmond to Mascot signe by Kingsford Smith, the crew and others.

Much toning on this cover but I guess the starting price is lower than it would be if it were pristine :idea:

Another thing, I can't understand why many of the covers (some worth quite a bit) don't have images. Seems pennypinching to me, prospective buyers want to see what they're buying :!:
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I was going through a box of junk and came across these.

Not actually flight covers, but if you ordered Qantas First Flight covers etc these are the envelopes that enclosed the flight covers when they were forwarded to you. There is also an order form, delivery advice etc and a nice 1953 brochure for travel to Japan.

One confirms the number of Coronation Flight covers and Aerogrammes. (24)

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Very nice! :mrgreen:
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Hi, I think these cover's threads with photo's are fantastic so I hope I can keep the standard up. Here are two flight covers of mine. The uprated is also shown in the uprated covers thread, perhaps more appropriate here. Both covers came in an ebay accumilation and neither were highlighted. :shock:
The uprated with a First Flight Inaugurating Air Mail Service cachet, San Diego, Calif. for June 1930, cds June 1 1930 to Vancouver Washington. No receiving stamp.
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This too I think is good BUT from what I can tell I believe the sig is bodgy. Lindbergh Again Flies The Air Mail horseshoe cachet, Chigago St. Louis C.A.M.2. 2-20-28. cds Saint Louis MO. 16. Feb 20 1928 3pm? Receiving stamp Chicago Feb 20 9pm. 1928. 6 hours transit. Would this hold any value if it is shown the sig is wrong? Cheer's.
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Showing off what I think is my favourite flight cover, I especialy love the Post War Deco industrial art on the cover.
There is a part history of this cover after the photo's, it's not from my hand though, it is how it came to me. I wonder if anybody knows how many did survive :?:

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Air post from London to Malmö.

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Here is one from the Graf Zeppelin LZ127 Around the World flight in 1929.

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Here's a nice flight cover. February 1933 commercial usage on first flight cover from Sydney to Salamaua, New Guinea.

Signed by the pilot Orme Denny and with cachet in red "By First Official Aerial Mail Papua-New Guinea":

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Post by patg »

Hello all,
Went through this very long thread and picked up some good information.
So my first addition seems to have been fairly well discussed. My question would be about the 9FE.34 on the one cancel? I do like the 8AM Auckland / 8PM Sydney (probably faster than today). Also, I wish it had some kind of arrival marks to show it had completed the journey to Calif.

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This one seems a bit messy. I did find the date reference on an auction site that matches the date on this cover (4 Aug.1938 (AAMC.824a) Cessnock - Sydney cover flown by Butler Air Transport).
Is the 3d is a bit late on the usage? SG says they were printed up until 1935.
Any extra points for the pair of Sg166?

Also, does the cachet have anything to do with the flight?

Once again, I wish there were receiving marks for Calif. I do like the boxed 'Aerial Service Completed - Sydney"
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This one is a personal favorite. I like it's layout and clean design. Also, I was born in Key West (90 miles from Cuba) while my father was serving on diesel submarines at the base there.
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Thanks for all the great scans.
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Post by Lakatoi 4 »

With the first cover, the 7d. only covered the airmail postage cost from Auckland to Sydney at that time so insufficient for the trip to the US.

The fact that the 3d. was out of print at the time but used on cover is extremely common. I have covers up to 1938 that have Australian States stamps on them that were still valid for postage even though they were officially discouraged from January 1913. From February 1966 only decimal stamps were valid for postage from and within Australia.

Also with your second cover, the cachet is not associated with the flight (as far as I know).

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