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Unusual use of difficult stamp to find on cover.

ACSC 136 Type A booklet stamp using 2 stamps to pay the 6d Karachi-London airmail fee.

Green dot in top margin above 'R' of 'AUSTRALIA' could be seen in eBay listing. Not the more difficult Type B but still a nice cover.

Posted in Broken Hill on 6 Feb 1933 with receipt stamp 8 Mar 1933 - not too shabby.

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Hi all,

I bought an interesting mix of covers mostly commercial I think, and mostly to USA also a lot are addressed to TV and film stars:

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7½d rate to USA sent to Edd Byrnes who starred in Grease and Clint Walker a man mountain who starred in a series called "Cheyenne"

There are also some nice aerogramme letters which seem commercial and have interesting content

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These have the 10d aerogramme rate to USA and were sent to Mitchell Tableporter AKA Teepee Mitchell an American songwriter sent to him by his wife (I assume) with a lot of loving and interesting content and kisses

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Some other that were with the previous

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Shame this was not a day earlier to be a first day cover Opening of Parliament!

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2/1d to USA made by 5 Dame Nellie Melba stamps

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7½d with 7d Flying Doctor Service stamp sent from Parliament House to Edd Byrnes again

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Large Superb Lyrebird 1/- to England

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2/5d Banksia to USA

I have no idea if any of these are scarcer, so grateful for any thoughts

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Other more interesting bits,
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another cover to Ed Byrnes 4d Self Government in Queensland underpaid and taxed

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2/- mailcoach to USA

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1s2d Thylacine to USA

Another couple to Edd Byrnes
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8d 2x4d Christmas stamps with put in Airmail insufficient postage stamp to USA

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8d 2x 4d Birth of the post Office and Self Govt in Queensland stamps to USA

Hmm don't think this is commercial...
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2/- Flannel Flower with Last Tram Mail cancel Sydney?

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More interesting covers...

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Not sure about these sent to Finlandia 56 which I think was a stamp exhibition? one at 1/- rate the other 2/-

Another to M Tableporter
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This time a 2/6d rate with 8 John Forrest stamps

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2/6½d sent to the Animal Trap Company of America odd rate?

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A couple more stars James Garner and Jack Kelly - Bret and Bart Maverick both here! The latter sent by Miss Sandra Hudson , 12 Aileen Avenue, South Caulfield.

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Hi,

A different usage of the 2/6d Aboriginal issue (perhaps?):
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The cover was sent at the 1/3d airmail rate for other Asian countries plus 1/3d for the registration fee.

The cover was mailed from Fremantle, Western Australia to what was then Calcutta, India. It was postmarked on 5 NO 56.

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Hello Lundy,

I am also unsure about the rate for:
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The ½d Kangaroo paid the war tax fee, perhaps by mistake(?). According to the Breckon article about aimail rates, the rate to the USA was 1/6d for the first ½oz.

I find this cover:
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The cover had an added Insufficient Postage cachet, but I do not see Air Mail written on the cover. The surface rate to the States was 7½d at the time.

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Lundy wrote:
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Large Superb Lyrebird 1/- to England
I have no idea if any of these are scarcer, so grateful for any thoughts

Lundy :D
This is the stand out item: 2d Empire rate + 3d internal airmail + 6d Karachi airmail + 1d Late fee

AU$100+ at auction.

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Hi Lundy and roninrr,

Nice covers. Thanks for sharing!

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agondocz wrote:Hi,

A different usage of the 2/6d Aboriginal issue (perhaps?):
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The cover was sent at the 1/3d airmail rate for other Asian countries plus 1/3d for the registration fee.

The cover was mailed from Fremantle, Western Australia to what was then Calcutta, India. It was postmarked on 5 NO 56.

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A top usage item, Andrew!

Your rate assessment spot on (as usual).

This stamp must be the watermarked issue, which is rare as a solo franking. (the unwatermarked issue was not distributed until December 19 1956)

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Came by a few Responsible Government covers recently, unfortunately all used in Oct 1956. All look commercial but outside the 4 days of valid letter rate usage (26 - 31Sep) and are untaxed.

Was this the Printed Matter rate as none of the back flaps seem to have been stuck down (some sweated together over time)?
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3½d Responsible Government Advertising covers used Oct 1956
There are a couple more with CDS's but are very hard to read.
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john6625 wrote:Came by a few Responsible Government covers recently, unfortunately all used in Oct 1956. All look commercial but outside the 4 days of valid letter rate usage (26 - 31Sep) and are untaxed.

Was this the Printed Matter rate as none of the back flaps seem to have been stuck down (some sweated together over time)?
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3½d Responsible Government Advertising covers used Oct 1956
There are a couple more with CDS's but are very hard to read.
Yes, the more readily available Printed matter rate, introduced Oct 1 1956.

Letter rate usage of the stamp solo (i.e. pre-Oct 1 1956) is elusive.

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Thanks Rod, appreciated. :D
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Here's a cover of the magenta 1/4- KGVI:

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1/4- as part payment for the 1/6- airmail rate to the UK.

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Here's a cover with a different usage of the 1/- Lyrebird and 2d QEII:

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1/- Lyrebird and 2d QE2 paying taxed rate of 1/2-.
Double deficiency of the 7d Australian airmail rate current between 1/10/56 and 1/10/59.
Sent Sydney 24/01/1959 to Tasmania, where tax collected and postmarked with Hobart cds.

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I have 12 similar covers with this stamp to 'Studebaker'. 11 with 1 stamp, and one cover with 2 stamps. They are all dated 1948.

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oldsuitcase wrote:I have 12 similar covers with this stamp to ' '. 11 with 1 stamp, and one cover with 2 stamps. They are all dated 1948.

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Fair to speculate, oldsuitcase, there are more Topical/Thematic collectors of your dozen Studebaker covers than there are of the many thousands of unloved, used off-cover examples of the stamp.

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Couple of KGV covers recently acquired to share:

2d red small multiple watermark p.13.5x12.5 with "Thursday Island" postmark

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1½d red single watermark x 2 used on cover, left stamp with ACSC listed variety BW 89(21)m - "two-billed" emu retouched.

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3d blue small multiple watermark p.13.5x12.5 Die 1a - perf OS solo use on cover.

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4d orange single watermark + 2d grey roo (3rd watermark Die 1) cover from Hobart to Chefoo, China

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alex_c_y1977 wrote:3d blue small multiple watermark p.13.5x12.5 Die 1a - perf OS solo use on cover.

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4d orange single watermark + 2d grey roo (3rd watermark Die 1) cover from Hobart to Chefoo, China

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That one to China from Hobart, Tas .... WOW!

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I bought this one yesterday as I really like the robes issue.

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There were some details with the cover. Postmarked "Melbourne Ship mail" possibly 13th Sept 1941 .
The route is via NZ then to USA before sending to UK .NZ censor no 3 tape so presumably opened there.
Cover franked at 5/10d which is said to be the correct rate.
The notes with the cover also state that this cover probably travelled on the last but one flight from NZ with the last one leaving 12th Nov 1941 but not sure what this means.

If you have any corrections or further details would be delighted to get them.

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colinscovers wrote:I bought this one yesterday as I really like the robes issue.

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There were some details with the cover. Postmarked "Melbourne Ship mail" possibly 13th Sept 1941 .
The route is via NZ then to USA before sending to UK .NZ censor no 3 tape so presumably opened there.
Cover franked at 5/10d which is said to be the correct rate.
The notes with the cover also state that this cover probably travelled on the last but one flight from NZ with the last one leaving 12th Nov 1941 but not sure what this means.

If you have any corrections or further details would be delighted to get them.

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Looks like 14 JY 41?

If so, the cover would have left N.Z. on PAA Flight 27 (20 JY 41).

There were ten more flights prior to service being terminated owing to Pearl Harbour.

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Rod,

I agree with the date you've quoted: 130P 14JY41
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Thank you both. Forgive my ignorance but what does the 130 p represent. I had been thinking it was a time mark I.e. 1.30 pm

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It is a time mark. 1:30pm.
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Colin,

One further point about your cover - it has been opened and resealed by the civil censor in Melbourne, not a censor in New Zealand.

Here is a cover that probably went on the last eastbound California Clipper flight (which departed Auckland on 24 November 1941):

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Postmarked at Melbourne on 14 November 1941.

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Although expensive, the Clipper service was obviously considered by many to be a better option than the 1/6d Horseshoe Route. Clipper base rate covers to USA (4/-), Canada (3/11d) and GB (5/10d) are relatively easy to find. Covers to other destinations and higher rate covers with the 10/- or £1 Robes stamps are more of a challenge.

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Hi,

An airmail cover from Sydney to Attleboro, Massachusetts:
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The 2/ Kangaroo and the 2d KGVI paid the 2/2d airmail rate from Australia to England, the surface from England to America, and the airmail rate within the United States.

The cover was postmarked on 2 MY 39.

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Another impulse purchase this time made at our Leeds Philatelic Society fair today.

Posted 27th Jan 1948 Express delivery with Express Fee Paid cachet. Looks like it was received 2nd Feb 48 with 2/- Roo solo use.

Not sure if it is the correct rate but I liked it.

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colinscovers wrote:Another impulse purchase this time made at our Leeds Philatelic Society fair today.

Posted 27th Jan 1948 Express delivery with Express Fee Paid cachet. Looks like it was received 2nd Feb 48 with 2/- Roo solo use.

Not sure if it is the correct rate but I liked it.

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That's quite a cover, colinscovers, negatively impacted considerably by the extensive damage to right side of stamp.

The rate is 1/6d half oz. airmail + 6d Express delivery fee. It's the first such usage I've noted.

That 2/- redrawn die is a rarity as a solo franking, used during period of issue (not to be confused with August 1952 onwards usages for increased airmail rate - the stamp having been replaced by 2/- Crocodile four and a half years prior).

There would be buyers at AU$750+ if the stamp was sound; in that condition <$100.

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Solo 3/- Waratah sending "philatelic material" from Australia to Japan, on 2 August 1961. The thick, long-format brown envelope has been doubled over for strength, and secured all round, rear flap as well, with strips from sheet margins. The sender was clearly more concerned with the contents than creating an attractive cover :lol:

If sent at the airmail letter rate, the 3/- Waratah pays the second-weight step postage fee. But, if sent as printed matter (as indicated on the cover), does this still apply?
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pmc wrote:Solo 3/- Waratah sending "philatelic material" from Australia to Japan, on 2 August 1961. The thick, long-format brown envelope has been doubled over for strength, and secured all round, rear flap as well, with strips from sheet margins. The sender was clearly more concerned with the contents than creating an attractive cover :lol:

If sent at the airmail letter rate, the 3/- Waratah pays the second-weight step postage fee. But, if sent as printed matter (as indicated on the cover), does this still apply?
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Nice cover, Peter. I've seen just one other 3/- solo for this rate.

I think airmail letter rates were applicable to printed matter when sent by air.

You could always remove those selvedge remnants. However, I note both watermarked and unwatermarked selvedge has been employed, so a rare combination!

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Thanks Rod. Appreciate the insight. This, plus the Australia-Asia 20c Sea Craft covers at the link below, were part of a small bundle of goodies I brought home from JAPEX2019 on the weekend :D

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Hmmm, I think this one looks like a commercial cover, even though its been carpet bombed by a common low value Christmas stamp.
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1958 postmark (clear in the year, but too faint on day and month).

What impressed me most is that the overhanging stamp has no sign of bend (or tear), which is most unusual for the stuff I usually see.

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Rod Perry wrote:
colinscovers wrote:Another impulse purchase this time made at our Leeds Philatelic Society fair today.

Posted 27th Jan 1948 Express delivery with Express Fee Paid cachet. Looks like it was received 2nd Feb 48 with 2/- Roo solo use.

Not sure if it is the correct rate but I liked it.

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That's quite a cover, colinscovers, negatively impacted considerably by the extensive damage to right side of stamp.

The rate is 1/6d half oz. airmail + 6d Express delivery fee. It's the first such usage I've noted.

That 2/- redrawn die is a rarity as a solo franking, used during period of issue (not to be confused with August 1952 onwards usages for increased airmail rate - the stamp having been replaced by 2/- Crocodile four and a half years prior).

There would be buyers at AU$750+ if the stamp was sound; in that condition <$100.

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Thanks yet again Rod.

I must remember to also look at the stamp when looking at the cover. I have fallen for this before.

If it is a scarce one if any of the serious collectors want a space filler I could easily be persuaded to part with it.

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colinscovers wrote:
Rod Perry wrote:
colinscovers wrote:Another impulse purchase this time made at our Leeds Philatelic Society fair today.

Posted 27th Jan 1948 Express delivery with Express Fee Paid cachet. Looks like it was received 2nd Feb 48 with 2/- Roo solo use.

Not sure if it is the correct rate but I liked it.

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That's quite a cover, colinscovers, negatively impacted considerably by the extensive damage to right side of stamp.

The rate is 1/6d half oz. airmail + 6d Express delivery fee. It's the first such usage I've noted.

That 2/- redrawn die is a rarity as a solo franking, used during period of issue (not to be confused with August 1952 onwards usages for increased airmail rate - the stamp having been replaced by 2/- Crocodile four and a half years prior).

There would be buyers at AU$750+ if the stamp was sound; in that condition <$100.

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Thanks yet again Rod.

I must remember to also look at the stamp when looking at the cover. I have fallen for this before.

If it is a scarce one if any of the serious collectors want a space filler I could easily be persuaded to part with it.

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Thanks for the offer, Colin. My clients don't do space fillers!

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These South Australian Advertising covers most definitely don't fall into the 'nice looking' category.
In actual fact they aren't even covers just fronts.
More to the point what should I do with them?

Bin them?
Swap them for a six pack of cold beer?
I've got a lot of SA covers should try and 'patch' in stamps on pieces? Example attached and kind of feels like the old saying about "lipstick on a pig..."

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borsac wrote:These South Australian Advertising covers most definitely don't fall into the 'nice looking' category.
In actual fact they aren't even covers just fronts.
More to the point what should I do with them?

Bin them?
Swap them for a six pack of cold beer?
I've got a lot of SA covers should try and 'patch' in stamps on pieces? Example attached and kind of feels like the old saying about "lipstick on a pig..."

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"Swap them for a six pack of cold beer?"

Enough to make you want to weep in your beer, Tony.

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Rod Perry wrote:
"Swap them for a six pack of cold beer?"

Enough to make you want to weep in your beer, Tony.

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I love that Shearer cover. My father worked there when I was a kid it was his first job out of university...

There's a family connection (albeit distant) to Colton, Palmer and Preston too..

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danyeung wrote:9Oct30 - 1d plus overprint 5d to Wangaratta, probably triple rate.

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Now THAT overprint is scarce, other than on a First Flight cover! :mrgreen:
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Interesting cover I added to stock today. (Stock 892JC) :mrgreen:
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Australia 1964 10/- Navigator on *SOLO* use to USA, Registered: The hottest thing here right now is SOLO use of Definitives on cover. The latest ACSC “QE2 Pre-Decimal” for the first time, prices SOLO use, next to use along with other values, spurring this demand.

Clean commercial cover from SURRY HILLS NSW, to ELGIN Illinois. 10/- single stamp tied by Surry Hills cds of 9/9/65, and range of 5 backstamps inc a superb magenta Elgin arrival of “SEP 14 - 1965” Cover has been bulky and uneven and hence likely overweight, as only that one of the 5 backstamps are readable.

Superb magenta boxed handstamp on face of “PASSED FREE - US CUSTOMS AT CHICAGO - SEP 13 - 1965” - also pointing to slightly bulkier contents inside. 2 oz air cost 8/-, and Registered fee was 2/- = this 10/- franking. An unusual combo, as only USA/Canada globally had the 2/- per ½ oz fee, hence the scarcity of solo use 10/- on covers, as this value was swapped very soon after to Decimal currency, and the new $1 Defin on Feb 1966.

10/- being a sought after sexy high value, would have been “woodchipped” by someone for sure, 55 years back - to use Rod’s term! ACSC Cat $400, and a choice example, stamps and cover in very good shape.


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Glen,

I think it should come to Mildura mate. I can’t find where you have it listed.

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On its way to Tim .. pretty nice item I'd suggest. :)

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Thought I would show these two on the thread.

150th Anniversary of Newcastle posted on 8/9/47 and not an FDC!! :D
Comes with Mullumbimby CDS
CV is $10 , is it still the same?

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CV $25, Any difference for the Broken Hill South label & CDS

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Picked this one up today purely as I do not think I had seen the 1sh 4d stamp used commercially before. 1sh 9d rate to Sweden airmail I have presumed is correct. Date is 5th Dec 1933.

( Rod. I even remembered to look at the stamp today :oops: )

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colinscovers wrote:Picked this one up today purely as I do not think I had seen the 1sh 4d stamp used commercially before. 1sh 9d rate to Sweden airmail I have presumed is correct. Date is 5th Dec 1933.

( Rod. I even remembered to look at the stamp today :oops: )

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Pretty franking combination. Year is 1938.

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Hi all,
here's a cover I found when going thru an old file of mish mash that I have:

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2/- Olympics + 2/- Cobb & Co + 9d platypus paying double weight plus registration.
Sent registered airmail from Mascot, NSW to New York, USA, 10 Feb 1956.

although a few faults, I like the 2 different 2/- pairing!

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I am posting this cover elsewhere but it deserves posting here too
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Interesting as it was posted by a Dutch (possibly ex-Java) officer based in Melbourne while the Pacific War still had 12 days to run, it went aimail for 1/6d 'via india', passed the censors, and bears the O.A.T. 'airmail all the way' instruction.
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Poignant back has no transit nor arrivals .... ?

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2/- Cobb & Co scarce on cover, especially in some mish-mash. Nice one Browny! :D

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Nice KGV franking for the 3d rate to USA.

Cover addressed to Mary Pickford in New York and redirected to Los Angeles.

Die 2 KGV 1d.
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