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Production of picture postcards in Germany virtually ended
with the start of World War I.

Notice that there are almost NO automobiles in this view,
even though it's a main thoroughfare - only horse-drawn
carts. While the card was mailed in 1919, the picture
probably dates to 1907-10 or thereabouts, so your 100
year estimate sounds spot-on, and the card itself ten
years old when mailed.

What looks like four check-marks at bottom right/center
are hitching posts and their shadows; I had to look twice!

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AH, nostalgia!

mystary1 & doug - many thnks for the feedback.

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Hi all, reddog here.

I've had this p/c scanned for a while so I thought I'd throw it in here to get back into the swing of things.

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I just noticed it turned 100 back in July. Not bad shape really.

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Right off the bat, from Whitney's 4th edition, you will be
glad to know that the postmark's cataloged at £4, and
that's 22 years ago (Whitney #61 in Special Events, for
Ballymaclinton).

HOWEVER -- #63 is "Sh. Bush Stadium," (not "Exhibition),
and that item is unpriced. So pending an interpretation
of what they meant, your cancel (a superb strike), may
be quite rare.

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The first exhibition at White City was the Franco-British exhibition of 1908. It was a celebration of British and French industry, culture, and empire. It included French and British Palaces of Industry and a French Artisan's Palace. Also a Palace of Women's Work, celebrating famous figures from Elizabeth I to Florence Nightingale. A number of model villages were reconstructed to celebrate imperial achievements. This included Ballymaclinton, a 'genuine' Irish village.

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Here are 20-some postcard views of the Franco-British
Exhibition, including two Ballymaclintons near the bottom,
and, one of the White City stadium.

Odd that reddog's card makes no mention of the FB expo;
maybe because it's 1909, the Exhibition had closed and
was no longer promoted?

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/londonfb.html

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The second exhibition at White City, the Imperial International of 1909, retained many of the original exhibits. It exhibited the imperial achievements of the triple-entente powers: France, Russia, and Britain. Model colonial villages included the Dahomey village (a French colony in West Africa) and a camp of the Kalmuk, central Asian nomads under Russian rule. They emphasised the civilising impact of colonisation.

Here are a few of the exhibitions

http://www.20thcenturylondon.org.uk/server.php?show=conInformationRecord.262

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I realize now that Ballymaclinton was not the name of an
existing town in the London area, but merely the name of
the Irish model-village itself.

Thus it was a temporary Post Office (and perhaps the Stadium
cancellation an even more temporary artifact) and no doubt
a hard item to find in such superlative condition.

The 1908 Olympics were held nearby; Wikipedia describes
some of the notable points:

"Italian authorities were preparing to hold the games when Mount Vesuvius erupted on April 7, 1906, devastating Naples. Funds were diverted to the reconstruction of Naples, so a new venue was required. London was selected, and the games were held in White City alongside the Franco-British Exhibition, at the time the more noteworthy event. Berlin and Milan were other candidates.

The White City Stadium, built in short time for the games, held 68,000 and was considered by some a technological marvel. The stadium track was three laps to the mile, not the current standard of 400 metres, with a pool for swimming and diving and platforms for wrestling and gymnastics in the middle..."

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tazzles wrote:Haha! Well, I'd forgotten I had a copy of J.T.Whitney's "Collect British Postmarks" stuffed away in the cupboard and so my second question answered itself.
By the way, is that book about all the British postmarks (up to a certain date) and not just about a certain type like Maltese Crosses or squared numerals etc?

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Brummie and Doug, thanks for the info.

Going back a way's I did some searching and saw similar postcards going in the 20-30 quid range.

Doug, you're right about the strike. It's an absolute cracker. It's what caught my eye.

Anyway, it might be time to bump my favourite thread.

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Catweazle wrote:
tazzles wrote:Haha! Well, I'd forgotten I had a copy of J.T.Whitney's "Collect British Postmarks" stuffed away in the cupboard and so my second question answered itself.
By the way, is that book about all the British postmarks (up to a certain date) and not just about a certain type like Maltese Crosses or squared numerals etc?
Yes, it covers most types of postmarks - general usage, maritime, military camps, special events up to around 1950.

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Whitney lists 2 Ballymaclinton special event postmarks. A 1908 postmark valued at 1.80 pounds and a 1909 postmark, which I guess is the one on the card here, valued at 4 pounds (1979 prices).

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Thanks tazzles, that 1979 valuation makes the 20-30 quid figures I saw a while back seem reasonable.

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A postcard from my United Fruit Company-collection.

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Welcome yobo -- thanks for using "Postcard heaven" to
display a picture postcard whose primary interest is the
picture.

There's already an interesting aspect to your card; the United
Fruit Company refers to its ships as the "Great White Fleet,"
but the real "Great White Fleet" dates from the U.S. Navy's
circumnavigation of the globe in 1907-1909.

See "Great White Fleet" in Wikipedia, extremely interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_White_Fleet

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doug2222usa wrote:Welcome yobo -- thanks for using "Postcard heaven" to
display a picture postcard whose primary interest is the
picture.

There's already an interesting aspect to your card; the United
Fruit Company refers to its ships as the "Great White Fleet,"
but the real "Great White Fleet" dates from the U.S. Navy's
circumnavigation of the globe in 1907-1909.

See "Great White Fleet" in Wikipedia, extremely interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_White_Fleet

Thanks for the welcome :D

The reason that United Fruit's fleet was called the Great White Fleet was its color, it was painted white to help regulate the temperature (because of the ripening of the bananas took place during the transportation) while carrying bananas from Central America and the Caribbean to the United States and Canada. This practice of painting the ships white started just after United Fruit was founded in 1899, and the name Great White Fleet soon followed, although I am not sure exactly when. So it remains to figure out who was first with the name Great White Fleet, the U.S. Navy or United Fruit Company :lol:

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Recently I managed to score this charming, official postcard for the 1911 International Stamp Exhibition in Vienna. On the reverse is the exhibition cancel which is quite scarce. I know there were more cards issued, if anyone here has any, I'd love to see them please.

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This is one of the Postal Cards I purchased from an estate sale.
I can't quite make out the postmark but I think the date on the back is 1875.
Correct me if I'm wrong


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Sorry, I probably posted this in the wrong thread but I couldn't find any postal card threads.

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The postmark is "Burlington, Ioa.," back when someone
thought it was essential to abbreviate "Iowa" as "Ioa." :lol:

The date is indeed 1875; the card is Scott #UX-1 or #UX-3:

UX-1 watermark 90 x 60mm, cat. val. US $25.
UX-3 watermark 53 x 26mm, cat. val. US $2.50
UX-3a without watermark, cat. val. US $800. (must be expertized)

The subject matter is interesting; it appears to be payment
for an IOOF encampment (Independent Order of Odd Fellows),
an early "lodge" which had officers known as Patriarchs and Grand
Scribes. Many times, these encampments were tied to Civil War
reunions. The IOOF still exists; see http://www.ioof.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

edit: I just noticed the card is addressed to your hometown
of Hamburg. But see these other Hamburg's too:

http://www.placesnamed.com/h/a/hamburg.asp

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Thanks so much doug.
I just love this site. I wish I had found it years ago, then maybe I would know more than I do right now.

Is this the right thread to post these in or is there a thread for Postal Cards that I over looked.

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I would be tempted to post under "You ask the questions"
since you have a cover, not a picture postcard.

Or, considering it's from 1875, maybe "Nice-looking covers."

I created "Postcard Heaven" to provide one small niche
where folks could display and talk about unusual picture
postcards that had no particular philatelic features; look
at early posts about the missing "Tsar" card, or the Nepalese
tea picker (which I thought was an American Indian :roll: ) for
good examples of where this thread leads. Of particular interest,
of course, are vintage Australian cards, and more often than
not, those have a philatelic feature, and that's OK.

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Doug you started Picture Postcards, without regard to stamps - READ
http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10701&p=425990&hilit=postcards#p425990

Lakatoi4 started Postcard Heaven.

I always get confused between the two and I sent poor Sall to the wrong one too. I think I put her off, 'cause she hasn't been to either :oops:

I must say these two threads are my favourites, keeps the brain ticking over nicely :?

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You are right, I forgot. "Postcard Heaven" sounds like
something I'd say. :wink:

Local stamp show tomorrow, and you can be sure I will be
rummaging through $1 cover and 50c postcard boxes. I have
a much greater appreciation for things-Australian than I did
two years ago.

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Don't ask me i found it in my collection.

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smitgal1961 wrote:Don't ask me i found it in my collection.
That's one of the best postcards I've ever seen. :D Lots of character! How much did you pay for it, if you don't mind me asking and if you can remember?

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I purchased them from an estate auction.
There where about 200 postal cards, about 100 FDC & a lot of old covers in a shoebox.
I paid 40.00 for the box.
I bought four boxes at the sale and paid 220.00 for all of them.

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That would be a typical price at a rural American farm
sale, provided there's no big city slicker there to run the
price up. I'd have bought them too!! :mrgreen:

Someone is bringing me a box of postcards and covers
this morning, so I may have something to show later.

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The letter is dated Jan 9th 1875, and it is still in good shape.

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Sorry, previous post in wrong thread, I meant to put it in nice covers.

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Nice letter you have there, smitgal1961! It really is in a beautiful hand.

Just came across this postcard in my collection, sent from Thailand to someone in a Geelong old folks home.

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I don't know what the stamp is worth, but I find the message interesting to read. "Put on 4lbs in a week! I've got to stop eating. At the moment I have a dreadful hangover." :lol:

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What's on the other side Catweazle? Is the date 1981?

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Hi,
I've got this postcard Titled :The fight interrupted.It has been signed on front.Not sure by who & only info i could find was,the postcard relates to a Mulberry picture.
It'll be interesting to see what other things you can add.Not sure on Postmark either.

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Thanks Peter
P.S. the Date in letter is 8/3/06,exactly 60 years before,the day of my birthday

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Peter the writing on the front is from the sender saying what the boys are. The first boy from left is getting a 'lugging' the next boy is a 'telltale' and the last two boys together the writing says 'In sympathy with you'.

The date is 8/5/1906 as you can see from the written date and the postmark has MY for May.

I couldn't find any postcards like yours but I'm sure somebody else will be here to the rescue :wink:

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Brummie wrote:What's on the other side Catweazle? Is the date 1981?
Here's the other side, nothing special in my opinion, just a regular sort of postcard (unless there's someone who thinks otherwise?)

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As it says on the postcard, it's "the beautiful most excellent Thai Arts [centre?] in a corner of Wat Phrakaeu, Bangkok" [Thailand]

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and the date?

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The painter of "The Fight Interrupted" is Thomas Webster,
summarized in this excerpt from Wikipedia:

Thomas Webster (March 10, 1800 - September 23, 1886), English figure painter, was born at Ranelagh Street, Pimlico, London.

His father was a member of the household of George III; and the son, having shown an aptitude for music, became a chorister in the Chapel Royal, St James's. He, however, developed a still stronger love for painting, and in 1821 he was admitted student of the Royal Academy, to whose exhibition he contributed, in 1824, portraits of "Mrs Robinson and Family."

In the following year he gained the first medal in the school of painting. Till 1879 he continued to exhibit in the Royal Academy work of a genial and gently humorous character, dealing commonly with subjects of familiar incident, and especially of child life. Many of these were exceedingly popular, particularly his "Punch" (1840), which procured in 1841 his election as ARA, followed five years later by full membership. He became an honorary retired academician in 1877, and died at Cranbrook, Kent, on the 23rd of September 1886.

Webster was leader of a group of artists who called themselves "The Cranbrook Colony". His artistic manner significantly influenced that of George Bernard O'Neill and Frederick Daniel Hardy.

Some of his pictures were produced as prints by the pioneering printer Abraham Le Blond. "Please remember the Grotto" "Snowballing" and maybe "The Swing".

His "Going into School, or the Truant" (1836), and his "Dame's School" (1845) are in the National Gallery, London and five of his works are in the South Kensington Museum.

His pictures, "Going to the Fair" and "Returning from the Fair" show his parents.

In 1856 Webster was photographed at 'The Photographed Institute' by Robert Howlett, as part of a series of portraits of 'fine artists'. The picture was among a group exhibited at the 'Art Treasures Exhibition' in Manchester in 1857.

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Thanks Doug.

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Maybe someone can help me with this one. Is it worth anything? (with the paquebot cancel?)

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A Feldpost 1915 made from birchbark sent home by an Austrian soldier in WWI. Either he had no paper or he had too much time on his hands.

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That strikes me as a valuable card to the right Feldpost
collector, almost the centerpiece of an exhibit.

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Oh, how interesting. I have a couple of wooden postcards from Austria as well. Here's one of them:

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As you can see, it's hand-painted and ran from Vienna (25th April 1899) to Jastrow, West Prussia, nowadays it's Jastrowie, near Zlotow in Poland.

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Hi Doug
I don't know if it's worth anything but I treasure it since it was addressed to a distant relative of mine from a friend of her brother, both serving on the eastern front in the Austrian Army during WWI.

Below is a photo post card of him on the far left which I believe was taken in an Army Hospital in June 1915. On the reverse is a sticker which states he fell 14 October 1916 and he was awarded some decoration.

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Feldpostkarte from June 1915 which was sent to his family reporting that he was sick. You can see from the reverse how multilingual the Austrian Empire really was... German, Hungarian,Ukrainian, Polish, Czech, Italian...

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Below is his death card announcement which states he was seriously wounded near Brzezany (present day Ukraine) on Oct 5, 1916, died on Oct 14, 1916 and was buried in the village cemetery on February 3, 1917.

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lithograving wrote:A Feldpost 1915 made from birchbark sent home by an Austrian soldier in WWI. Either he had no paper or he had too much time on his hands.
Well, let's see. :D

The card seems to have been posted on 18th June 1915 by a soldier in the 3rd platoon of the 1st company of infantry regiment 84.

IR 84 was part of 9th mountain brigade, which was attached to the 59th infantry division around this time.

ID 59, had been combined with with 18th mountain brigade as army group (AGp) Tersztyánszky. In June '15 they were en route to the Isonzo River it seems.

Presumably that left some soldiers time to fiddle with birch bark. :D
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That's a great looking card tazzles & boy do you know your military history. Thanks for all that info which of course is quite interesting for me since he was a relative. It's amazing what you gleaned from that card, real postal history.

Below are a couple more of my old non military postcards.
First one is from Bruenn formerly Austria, now Brno, Czech Republic. I think its very pretty card.

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This one below is dated September 1901 & is from Wuertemberg

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You will notice that the man is actually weighing the PIG;
first their combined weight, then just his weight, and
the difference is the pig, who no doubt would not stand
still for evidence leading to his demise.

The address on the Wurtemberg card refers to the "Adler
& Engel" -- (eagle and angel). Maybe a tavern? Or statue?

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Re: Postcard heaven!

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lithograving wrote:That's a great looking card tazzles & boy do you know your military history.
I got the wrong year first time, squinting at the cancel, but I think the information is correct now.
This one below is dated September 1901 & is from Wuertemberg

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It says:

From the Black Forest
The Clever Jochembur
"Look Wife
The Pig weighs 95kg, by God!"

:lol:

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doug2222usa wrote:
The address on the Wurtemberg card refers to the "Adler
& Engel" -- (eagle and angel). Maybe a tavern? Or statue?
Yes, it says "opposite the adler & engel". I'd guess at a Gasthof (hotel/pub).

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Your German is good tazzles, you even know the dialect. Here is another example showing that German & English come from the same root. The German word for look is schau I believe, yet in the dialect on the card he says luak. which sounds very close to look

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One more humorous one from WWI, perhaps tazzles would be so kind as to translate.

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