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G & Co. S is Gollin & Co., 50 Clarence St., Sydney, Merchants and general importers, Rated S. (Source: 'Handbook of Australian Private Perfins', Edited by John Mathews).

D:C is also in the book with a rating of R but the company is unknown to the author apparently.
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Oh great information, a R rating as well :)

Thanks Brummie and muttly2011

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Good afternoon,

Could anyone please let me know who "McP" could be and its scarcity?

Don't laugh, it really is a terrible looking stamp and was only retained as an oddity. It looks even worse in real life.

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McPhie & Co., Stock and station agents, Toowoomba, QLD.
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That was quick, thank you very much.

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A nice lot added to my collection.

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This one has a Perth cancel.
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Cairns Perfin, I received 4 of these.

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One I have already, but this one has a Hawaii cancel.
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Australia 1915 2½d Indigo Second Wmk *MUH* Inverted “WA” official perfins. A fresh MUH marginal pair, fresh flat original gum MUH, fully Guaranteed by me. Sweden is where they have been for most of the past century I’d guess.

With an INVERTED official “WA” (Western Australia Government) perfin, clearly a huge premium to 2 normal stamps. (No genuine “OS” perfins are recorded for this stamp - almost unknown for any Kangaroo series value.)

Shows superbly the major problems with this short lived Emergency printing of Kangaroos, on "Second Watermark" paper with watermarks spaced for the far wider design KGV heads. (Due to German WW1 sinking of ships bearing the correct Kangaroo watermark paper, being shipped from UK.)

The KGV heads were place far closed to left and the Single Crown watermark was centred. Here, the left top of wide crown can be seen to the LEFT of the Jubilee line! Always an immediate and certain way to pick "Second Watermark" Roos of any value.

And the “WA” perfin spacing was also set for the much wider KGV heads, as is clear. To the very far left, is double lined letter “A” of marginal “POSTAGE” watermark. Great colour, perfs and centering, and enormous eye appeal.

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Lovely roos.

I am still somewhat surprised that someone has not jumped to the commercial opportunity of producing a small hand stamp/press machine for us to have our own perfin.

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Does anyone know what this perfin is

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Could this hand perfin be myer?
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A hand Perfin, this is a new one for me, I like the sound of it as well, but alas it is not a perfin.

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Micky wrote:A hand Perfin, this is a new one for me, I like the sound of it as well, but alas it is not a perfin.
It would be a nice novelty if indeed holes were punched.
It would need a limit to the number of holes so that the stamp basically stays together - perhaps just a simple letter …
Must be a supplier somewhere.

Perhaps the definition of a perfin could be strengthened and date limited. Are there a lot of serious commercial perfins after 1960?

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I have just obtained the excellent catalogue of German Perfins as a CD.

(Katalog der Deutschen Firmenlochungen, Verfasser : Dr. Hans D. Hillmann, Herausgeber : Arbeitsgemeinschaft Lochungen e.V. I'm BDPh).

This is a very well presented work and lists many thousands of Perfins.

If anyone needs to identify a German Perfin then I may be able to help.

I have also about 650 German perfins to deal with so far.

Anyone interested in sharing German perfins?

This maybe on this thread already, if so then forgive this post.

I am showing three pages to indicate the type of information given plus an enlargement to better see the breakdown.


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Enlargement showing typical breakdown of Perfin identification.

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Morning all, I found this one on line a moment ago. Looks like 1884 with a square circle cancel and a diagonal SPECIMEN Perfin, is this considered an early perfin for this country :?: , I have no idea the stamp value.

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Hi,
I've a small collection of perfins on New Zealand advert stamps and I'm wondering if there were any other companies doing perfins on advert stamps?

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S.S.E. = Sargood, Son & Ewen Ltd
NZF = New Zealand Farmers
AC & S = Archibald Clark & Sons
WT = Whitcombe & Tombs
C&G = Cuff & Graham

I'm also wondering if the top left pin of 'N' for NZF was always missing?

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Here is a brief background for some perfins issued by the Government of India

India introduced a radio receiver licence system in 1928, for All India Radio Aakaashavani. With the advent of television broadcasting in 1956–57, television was also licensed. With the spurt in television stations beginning 1971–72, a separate broadcasting company, Doordarshan, was formed. The radio & TV licences in question needed to be renewed at the post offices on a yearly basis. Annual premium for radio was Rs.15 in the 1970s and 1980s. Radio licence stamps were issued for this purpose. In 1984, the licensing system was withdrawn with both of the Indian national public broadcasters, AIR and Doordarshan, funded instead by the Government of India and by advertising. --- Wikipedia

The stamps used for the licence ....
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There was a penalty imposed for not renewing the license on time ... not sure how much it was, likely a small percentage of the fee in question. When fractional amounts of a Rupee was involved these regular 1955 definatives were used. The PO had smaller denominations that were affixed in conjunction of the higher values.
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Bijoy wrote:
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AIR = All India Radio
AIR perfin was actually used by All India Reporter Limited, Nagpur.

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Daschaudhuri Babu,

That might be possible usage as a regular postage stamp for commercial mail as you have mentioned - I had actually soaked this stamp off the the Radio License along with others, way back in the early 70's when our radio was no longer functional. Stupid thing to do as a teenager, I realize now ...
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No perfin stamp was sold at post office and general public was not allowed to use perfins.

Bijoybabu, I think you are recollecting something wrong.

If the stamp was taken out of a radio license, then it may well be possible that the license was issued to All India Reporter.

I am yet to see an All India Radio perfin.

And just call me Joy. I am much junior than you.

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GWS & Co - Gilbert Wood, Son & Company wholesale grocery, I believe. They are still in business today under the trade name of Anchor Foods (founded in Adelaide, SA 1876).

I have not been able to find any other perfins using this type of ampersand or the use of a large pin perf to create the "o" in Company. Unusual and very different than any other perfins I have researched.

The cds on a SA 1876 issue blue green 1 penny shows, 8 July 1883 or 85 and reading about perfins of this era might have been created by Joseph Sloper except all of the ampersands he produced, that I have seen, were in a pin pattern and not a silhouette.

Does anyone know or have an idea who might have created this perfin?
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Joy Daschaudhuri wrote:No perfin stamp was sold at post office and general public was not allowed to use perfins.
Bijoybabu, I think you are recollecting something wrong.
If the stamp was taken out of a radio license, then it may well be possible that the license was issued to All India Reporter.
I am yet to see an All India Radio perfin.
Joy,

Maybe I am mistaken .... that was more than 45 years ago. But I do remember paying the fines at the PO atleast a couple of times when I took the the license for renewal.
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Though this is not the right thread to post but I have found some info about the issue of Broadcast Receiver License (BRL) which included Radio Receiver License thru Indian post offices which was first introduced in 1924 by Hubert Arthur Sams, Officiating Director General of Indian Posts and Telegraphs Department (May 1924‒November 1924).

The licenses were issued only for non-commercial usage of receiving radio sets and initially 1167 licenses were issued in 1924‒25 and renewed in 1925‒26 and 812 in 1926‒27 which got drastically increased to 4866 in 1927‒28.

By 1928, all Head POs and 100 selected Sub POs were authorized to collect BRL fee in India.

After the formal opening of the public radio broadcast in Mumbai by Edward Frederick Lindley Wood, Viceroy and Governor-General of India on July 23,1927 and in Kolkata by Stanley Jackson, Governor on August 26, the Radio License fee was collected by the Post Office for Indian Broadcasting Company Limited which received 90% share of the fee collected in India (excluding Myanmar where the PO gave the fee share to Myanmar Radio Syndicate).

From 1934, Dealers' Possession Licenses were issued under Article 5 of the Indian Wireless Telegraphy Act, 1933 (Act XVII of 1933) (passed on September 11,1933) thru POs and at first 707 DP Licenses were issued in 1934 35.
The fee was 10R per annum for both issuing and renewal of these licenses.

The post offices in India also did the agency work to issue Fixed Station Licenses, Import Licenses, Mobile Station Licenses and Substitute Licenses.

[Ref. Ministry of Communication, Government of India File No. BRL.1-76/56 of 1956, p.12]

The Department of P&T retained 10% of the total license fee collected for BRL and Fixed Station Licenses.

The number of BRL issued in 1934‒35 was 18000 which increased to 200000 in 1944‒45 and to 809537 (incl. both issued and renewed licenses) in 1953‒54 when the number of issued and renewed other licenses thru POs was 41267.

A graded system of surcharge was introduced in 1951 replacing the uniform rate of surcharge irrespective of the period of delay.
The surchage was fixed at 5R, 10R and 15R respectively for renewal of radio licenses after the grace period of 14 days from the expiry of license.

The annual fee for renewal of Radio License was reduced from 15R to 10R in 1957‒58 only for domestic radio sets in rural area to encourage people to listen to radio, primarily for agricultural and meteorological news.

The Radio License fee was abolished in 1984.

References:
1. India Post through Ages A Saga of Communications.
H Nur Ahmad.
Postal History Society, India, Aluru 1996
Chapter IV: Functional Growth of India Post;
Broadcast Receiver Liceses; pp.132-3

2. The Imperial Post Offices of British India 1774‒1914 (Vol.II).
Mohinilal Majumdar.
Philatelia, Kolkata 1999
Part II: The Imperial Telegraph Service
Chapter III: The Imperial Telegraph Department; p.72

3. The Indian Telegraph Act, 1885 (Act XIII of 1885) with the Indian Wireless Telegraphy Act, 1933 (Act XVII of 1933) and the Telegraph Wires (Unlawful Possession) Act, 1950 (Act LXXIV of 1950).
Universal Law Publishing Company Private Limited, Azadpur 2011
The Indian Wireless Telegraphy Act, 1933; p.23

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Excellent information, Joy!
My guess you have a treasure trove of reference material with you. How and from where did you acquire them?
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SG 130. C of A watermark with 'T' (Tasmania) perfin.

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SG 127. C of A watermark with 'W A' (Western Australia) perfin.

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Assistance required with these items ;

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Bear0001, this information about your perfins is from 'Handbook of Australian Private Perfins', edited by John Mathews:

Elder Smith & Co Ltd, Adelaide, Stock and station agents;

Adelaide Co-operative Society, General merchants;

Western Electric Co., Sydney, Film projector manufacturers;

The fourth one looks like a GMS perfin, examples shown but origin not given in the book.
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muttly2011 wrote:Bear0001, this information about your perfins is from 'Handbook of Australian Private Perfins',
Not that anyone would know they were Australian, if they weren't aware of the Australian watermarks :roll:
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Assistance please ; Is this perforation Howard Smith & Co.

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bear0001, that one is listed as Harris, Scarfe & Co., Adelaide and Perth, Ironmongers and engineers.
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1935. ANZAC Commemoration. "G NSW"
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Turkey 1909 Tughra and "Reshad" of Sultan 5pa newspaper overprint with BIO perfin
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1942 King George VI issue. perfin: G - NSW. Albeit the variety of the middle section missing the perfin.

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1938 Die II. Thin paper. VG (Government of Victoria)

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King George V: 2d Red; 1932-34 issue. C of A watermark. V G perfins.

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Hi all, found this lot online. So many OS Perfins could cost a bit (if genuine), still I will give it a go. No idea what the larger stamps are.

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On page 3 the two largest stamps are European? Poster Stamps.

The Belgian 50c stamp was issued without red overprint in 1930 and is worth pennies. However the private overprint is listed in the Belgian specialist catalogue. My edition is 2000 as still priced in Belgian Francs. The original stamp is 80Fr UMM, 20Fr M, 15Fr used.

The overprints are for Anvers - Londres, Anvers - Paris, Anvers - Amsterdam, Anvers - Malmo, and Anvers - Dusseldorf. Each is priced at 530, 200, 200 and the set at 2,650/1,000/1,000 so roughly ten times the ordinary mint/used, 6.5x UMM. Not a huge amount, abut a bonus if you win the lot. OTOH, it may be that a Belgium collector will go for it, and up the price of your Australians!
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norvic wrote:On page 3 the two largest stamps are European? Poster Stamps.

The Belgian 50c stamp was issued without red overprint in 1930 and is worth pennies. However the private overprint is listed in the Belgian specialist catalogue. My edition is 2000 as still priced in Belgian Francs. The original stamp is 80Fr UMM, 20Fr M, 15Fr used.

The overprints are for Anvers - Londres, Anvers - Paris, Anvers - Amsterdam, Anvers - Malmo, and Anvers - Dusseldorf. Each is priced at 530, 200, 200 and the set at 2,650/1,000/1,000 so roughly ten times the ordinary mint/used, 6.5x UMM. Not a huge amount, abut a bonus if you win the lot. OTOH, it may be that a Belgium collector will go for it, and up the price of your Australians!
Nice :mrgreen: , I will spend wisely, KGV are my favourite and the others would be a nice bonus although I don't think I'd keep them and the Roos. If won, I show the OS here, might be more bonuses with flaws.

Thanks norvic

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Micky wrote:
norvic wrote:On page 3 the two largest stamps are European? Poster Stamps.

The Belgian 50c stamp was issued without red overprint in 1930 and is worth pennies. However the private overprint is listed in the Belgian specialist catalogue. My edition is 2000 as still priced in Belgian Francs. The original stamp is 80Fr UMM, 20Fr M, 15Fr used.

The overprints are for Anvers - Londres, Anvers - Paris, Anvers - Amsterdam, Anvers - Malmo, and Anvers - Dusseldorf. Each is priced at 530, 200, 200 and the set at 2,650/1,000/1,000 so roughly ten times the ordinary mint/used, 6.5x UMM. Not a huge amount, abut a bonus if you win the lot. OTOH, it may be that a Belgium collector will go for it, and up the price of your Australians!
Nice :mrgreen: , I will spend wisely, KGV are my favourite and the others would be a nice bonus although I don't think I'd keep them and the Roos. If won, I show the OS here, might be more bonuses with flaws.

Thanks norvic

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Missed the above, lot went for $98 Aust. Sorry no show and tell norvic.

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goof wrote: [...]

2. G.A. Do CHIADO on Lisbon Portugal

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Good afternoon

Dear goof,

G.A. do CHIADO means, in Portuguese spelling of 1900s, "Grandes Armazens do Chiado". It was a great general store in (not only) Lisbon, of those days.

This perforation was authorized by the "Circular nº2:444, de 16 de Novembro de 1905", published by Portuguese Post Offices.
There are (at least) three kinds of this perforation. Your sample is the 90 holes in three lines.

Regarding hard paper catalogs... the last one, full colour, is the following (easy to use by anyone even with no knowledge of Portuguese language, plenty of pictures full colour of stamps, covers and stationeries):
BARROSO, Luís (2015). Catálogo das Perfurações Portuguesas. Lisboa: Clube Filatélico de Portugal. Issued as a Supplement of the Boletim do Clube Filatélico de Portugal, nº448/9, Setembro 2015. 116 pages.
It contains Portugal (with Azores and Madeira islands) from XIX century to 1990s, Angola, Cabo Verde and Moçambique until their independence, Portuguese perforations "used abroad" and some unidentified perfins.

Notes
1 - There are several other studies about Portuguese perfins (Portuguese and English language) however they are not easy to find out - out of market, published by the authors, specialized articles in magazines, etc.
2 - These matters are hard to study nowadays because with the advent of the postal history philatelists and reseachers also look for, beyond the morphological characterization of the perforations, postal laws, commercial/industrial/services informations, types of postal supports and services, postage rates, etc.

Glossary
Circular - Circular / Guidance
Novembro - November
Setembro - September
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Re: Stamp Perfins: it is not just 'OS' out there! Show us yo

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I have this 1858 GB 2d blue; SG 47 (plate 15), with perfin I & W. This seems to be a rather early use of a perfin security marking.

Can anyone suggest who I & W were, and whether this is an unusually early usage.

A few pages back in this thread, someone asked what was the earliest date of perfin use, but got no reply. Does anyone know?
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HayeSmyth,

On initial review it appears you may have a unique item. The Brits were the first to use perfins and this:
http://www.angelfire.com/pr/perfinsoc/index.html

is the link to the website for their society. This next was copied directly from their site.

What is the earliest perfin ?

The Post Office finally accepted the postal use of perfins on the 13th March 1868. However the earliest known cancellation on a perfin is currently November 1868, with the earliest cover being dated 5th January 1869. Indeed dated copies from the late 1860's are not common.


I've had assistance identifying perfins from the webmaster. I'd suggest you go there, drop them a line and then report back here with your results. I'd love to hear what you find. :)

I know in the US, companies punched their older stock of stamps when perfins were finally authorized here but 10 years earlier seems like a significant difference. GOOD HUNTING !

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Hi,

Here's a cover from Perfins of New Zealand & Australia Club.

PCNZA perfin on Aussie Stamps.

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Help with a German Perfin (on Scott 406) 1933 12pf

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Hi,

I've found a perfin on a German Scott 406 1933 12 pf stamp.

I have no idea what the design is.

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It looks like some of the holes in the perfin didn't punch through.

Any information is appreciated.

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1d KGV
Comb perforation.
2nd Single Crown over A; inverted.
Tasmania state "T perfin".

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