A New Catalogue of Machin Security Stamps

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A New Catalogue of Machin Security Stamps

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In 2009 Royal Mail issued 11 new Machin definitive stamps, with special security features designed to prevent re-use and deter forgery. But, because they decided to include a 'hidden' code which indicated the source of the stamps (sheets, booklets etc), there were actually 25.

In 2010 there were another 19, because the year was now coded in to the design.

But when 2011 came, 'keeping things simple' meant having one set of numbers for the stamps with no year code, and another set for those with a year code, no matter what that year was. Which is fine if you want a simple list – but serious Machin collectors wanted every variant, and dealers needed a simple way to identify separately the stamps from each year. With no central plan from SG, many dealers devised their own – different – systems.

Collectors were confused, dealers were confused, and catalogue editors were confused. Stanley Gibbons catalogue editors managed to assign three different numbers to the same stamp in one year (Concise, Collect British Stamps, and new Concise). And they decided to keep things simple by listing the original stamps, and those with the 2010 code separately.

The Norvic system is unique in that, bar the unexpected, you can work out what the Norvic numbers will be for any new stamp that is issued in 2014 and beyond. Our Checklist has been prepared and refined with the help of collectors and other dealers. Now that we have agreement from Stanley Gibbons to cross-reference to their numbers, we can make the Norvic Checklist available to all dealers and collectors worldwide free of charge.

Simply visit this page on our website and fill in your email address: read the rest of the blurb as well, because that tells you what we won't do with that address! And you can also see more sample pages than I'm showing here.

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Oh, and In 2013 over 50 new security stamps appeared as reprints of original issues were needed. So far in 2014 we are over 30 more new stamps!
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Ian

Thanks for sharing this. It will be a great help to us Machin novices.

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Good stuff Norvic and I am sure it will be ideal ..... Once I get around to sorting my boxes of Machins :?

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Thank you both! Over 100 downloads (though a few people seem to have made multiple attempts) and over 40 people who aren't customers who have seen earlier versions. And the reach of Stampboards and SM means that those collectors are in the UK, the US, Australia, NZ, Austria, Argentina, Canada, France, Spain - and who knows where for gmail and hotmail addresses!

Whilst a pdf file can obviously be shared around with other collectors, it's best they get it direct and register their email addresses with us so as to get news of updates. However, if you know somebody who collects Machins and doesn't use the internet, feel free to print them a copy!

This applies to philatelic societies and others with libraries as well.
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Very interesting stuff, Norvic. Perhaps this can be a new area of collecting for me, as I currently have no money but do see the odd Machin come through the post now and then anyway. Old-fashioned 'through-the-letterbox' collecting, here I come!

I also note your comment 'Now that we have agreement from Stanley Gibbons to cross-reference to their numbers...'. This is a big step (and probably one that many producers of philatelic material 'forget').

While nobody is going to get told off saying 'For sale, SG123...', I remember hearing a website that offered Stanley Gibbons / Scott Catalogue number conversions (in each direction) was told to stop doing that (not sure by which IP holder), due to the numbering system being protected property (not sure if it was trademarked, copyright or something else, but you get the idea).

I know that SG as a company get a lot of stick for almost everything (except their superb catalogues), for the most part. So I'd just like to take a moment to say that this is a superb example of them doing a good turn for the community - well done SG for allowing this cross-referencing to be done :-) Maybe I will refresh my 'Part 1' again this year, after all!

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I have SG's agreement to this with no royalty or license fee because the list is not being sold. Any catalogue/handbook publisher that provided a full cross-reference would presumably be charged if the book was sold. I think Scott (being US) is even tighter on this than SG.

If I wanted to make it even more useful I would have Scott numbers and those of the Modern British Philatelic Circle, of which I am a member. However I find the MBPC numbers, like Deegam's, less comprehensible! There will also be some illustrations in future.
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A reminder to users that you only need to download this once (for each computer/tablet/phone) until we announce a new version. One person is downloading every day - though I have no idea why; I expect it is automated. A couple of others have downloaded up to 5 times (so far).

As an indicator of how many people are interested we've had between 300 and 350 unique users downloading, which translates to up to 225 new contacts. As promised, the only follow-up email will be when a new version is available for download, unless you buy from us in which case you join another email group.

Only one new addition so far (so the master has not been updated):

2986.4 Special Delivery 500g M14L
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Thank you Ian, a little more information I can add to my machin notes. I still can't wrap my mind around Deegam very well yet, I've only dealt with the few simple machines (ones with only one or two possible deegam numbers).

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Version 1.1.4 of the catalogue has now been uploaded. An email has been sent to all collectors who have already downloaded an earlier version, but if you have not simply visit this page on our website and fill in your email address: read the rest of the blurb as well, because that tells you what we will and won't do with that address!

If you already have a version, please follow the instructions in the email, do not go back to the page linked in the previous para.
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PS: for those who have previously downloaded a version...

Please check your spam/trash folder if you haven't received the email in your inbox - sending out an email to >300 addressees always means that some end up being treated as spam !
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Today we have added version 2.0.3 which incorporates all the 2018 stamps to date, AND all the new Gibbons numbers to be published in the 2018 version of the Concise catalogue (due in June).

Download here - a PDF reader will be required.
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Anybody coming to this thread afresh should note that because of software issues with our regular system, the download is now from https://www.dropbox.com/s/byc921n99i7ilrm/Norvic%20Machin%20Security%20Checklist.pdf?dl=0

More details on our blog.
If anybody has any problems with this please email me and I'll sort something out.
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The latest edition of our Machin Security Checklist, running to 48 pages, is now available. This is up to date with the latest discoveries, and revised (and doubly revised) SG numbers, the only specialist catalogue as far as we know, which provides full details of all the stamps with links to the SG numbers from the readily available and almost 'simplified' Concise catalogue.

Download the new edition from Dropbox- no need to sign in, no need to have a Dropbox account. On any device, just click on the 'download' button on the Dropbox page.
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After a too-long break I have managed to update the checklist to include stamps issued on 11 February.

The latest version is back on my own website, rather than Dropbox which several people had problems with. View in your browser or download.
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norvic wrote:After a too-long break I have managed to update the checklist to include stamps issued on 11 February.

The latest version is back on my own website, rather than Dropbox which several people had problems with. View in your browser or download.
Thanks again Ian! It's a very useful list. :D
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Impressive work Ian :D

I have added a new post to my blog highlighting it. Hope this is okay and that it helps to get the word around even more.

https://thestampbook.co.uk/2020/02/norvic-machin-security-checklist/
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norvic wrote:After a too-long break I have managed to update the checklist to include stamps issued on 11 February.

The latest version is back on my own website, rather than Dropbox which several people had problems with.

A number of copy and paste errors occurred concerning the last two PSBs. I had the Visions of the Universe details against the Star Wars 3 stamps. Please download this corrected version 2.2.2: Apologies!
View in your browser or download.
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Posted it in a Russian forum
Ian, I hope it's OK?
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Thanks for that, I have updated my link. :)
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vicaf60 wrote:Posted it in a Russian forum
Ian, I hope it's OK?
Yes, thank you - no problem. Anybody who wants to know about these stamps is welcome to read.

I did have customers in Ukraine & Russia, though not many and only occasionally!
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