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KGV Engraved Die Proof for $1.80 from 2007sibir on ebay??

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I just noticed an eBay item listed by "2007Sibir".

My ACSC lists this Die proof at $30,000. The current price is $1.80.

I have asked 2007Sibir for any evidence of authenticity he may have, and await the reply with interest.

As I recall, this eBay seller has been alledged to offer chemically treated Vic stamps (post mark removed and presented as mint) as genuine, and expensive, so I have some reservations.

The item is at

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110478826382

Any comments ?
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Here is the item:

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Form the first superb "Engraved Stamps" PO Book of a few years back.

Value about $20 I think in ACSC?
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Didn't they release something like that as part of a set of reprints in the late 80's or 90's? I recall some die proof impressions on cardstock about the size of a postcard. A treasures from the Archives reprint?

His blurb says that its UNC. Does he mean Uncirculated - of course it would be - its a die proof! Or does he mean uncut - exept if its a real die proof wouldn't it be on a bigger heavier weighted paper? And not just the size of the stamp.

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Sadly this 2007sibir guy looks like a died in the wool crook who simply will NOT reform. :twisted:

We ran this below on 2007sibir a year or so back and the late Simon Dunkerely wrote pages on him in Stamp News - as you can see.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=5595
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Purchased by '2007sibir' for $US150 pen cancelled on March 20.


'2007sibir' then runs the IDENTICAL stamp to ebay Auction himself a week or so later (still 2 days to go on that) - after bleaching the living daylights out of it, and trying to scrub away the fiscal pen cancel - quite un-successfully as you can see. (This is HIS scan above of the resultant terrible mess - unaltered by me!)

New starting price $A1250 - claimed to be "unhinged - and claimed to have a Cat value as mint of $8,150. . :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

It magically appears to have been regummed in the same 10 days period since 2007sibir bought it.

(As a reference point, these massive stamps sell for around $250 each in the real market when in top condition, with no pinholes - I have the set of 5 right now on offer - £5-£9, which includes this £6 Blue - https://www.glenstephens.com/rarity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )
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Can members please send 2007sibir this thread link

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=16581&p=601339#p601339

And suggest 2007sibir re-words the 1d Engraved description be "1990s PO reprint"

And suggest to him this deceptive lot now states the Coolgardie Camels are 100 year later crude facsimiles - - his write up imputes they are genuine.

https://cgi.ebay.com.au/OZ-42X-MINT-STATES-VIC-NSW-SA-WA-TAS- ... 0478823171
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And he is STILL active in bleaching the cr*p out of Victoria pen cancels, and trying to pass them off as "mint" with totally fake catalogue values claimed.
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https://cgi.ebay.com.au/1884-VICTORIA-19-X-NICE-VARIETY-DUTY- ... 0480435057

The 10/- in the centre has been bleached within a whisker of being white paper. :twisted: :evil:

This 2007sibir cretin calls this totally fiscal used lot -- worth $30 on a good day to any sane buyer - "Cat $935" and an "EXCELLENT INVESTMENT"-


1884 VICTORIA 19 STAMPS

NICE VARIETY DUTY TO 10 POUNDS

FU-MINTS CV>$935

EXCELLENT INVESTMENT
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And yet he is still trading with over 2,400 + feedback sales at 99.8%! :roll: :shock:

I just had a look and he also has a 500 year old coin that somehow is also UNC! Uncirculated for 500 years? Looks nice - I might go for it! A bit of Henry VIII!
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The Ebay listing calls the item an "OZ PRE-DECIMAL KGV ENGRAVED DIE PROOF STAMP SUPERB UNC ". I understand there was a black die print included in the 1999 Australia Post deluxe collection of Australian engraved stamps but it is not clear what he is selling.

If you checked, as I did, the ACSC for the KGV die proof 1913 you would see an illustration that looks just like the ebay image. If one were to be charitable you could call it a mistaken description, but if you were to be less forgiving it could be called a deliberate mis-description
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As I posted it is CERTAIN this is the same proof found in the superb PO Book I and others sell. I sell each proof for $15.

It is NOT a 1913 Proof but a 1999 reprint.
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"The Engraved Stamps Of The Commonwealth Of Australia"


The quite magnificent official Australia Post produced coffee table book. Compiled by Richard Breckon. Brass cornered, beautifully gold deeply embossed leatherette cover, gilt edged outer leaf edges, with matching marbled heavy slipcase. Issued in a VERY limited Edition for 'Australia 99'. I am advised only a few 100 copies were ever made, and were a near instant sell-out .... even at the very high issue price. Being recent they also NEVER come on the market - no-one wants to let them go!

Semi opaque interleaved pages with designs on them. Real heavyweight grade archival weight paper. Varnished glazed paper for effect in parts. The photos really do not begin to convey the lavishness and class of this book. My guess is the book and slipcase cost well over $100 to make. Shows masses of issued designs and superlative background info. Similar in size to a Leather PO Year Book.

Also contains 28 different Official correct size recess printed DIE PROOFS in black from the original dies - from 1913 1d Engraved KGV to 1965 Anzac. Inc most early commems - like Bridge, Jubilee, Canberra, Hermes, Sturt, Sesqui etc. Also high value Defins like £1 Robes and Arms, 7/6d Cook &c. All this at $15 an official die proof! NOT obtainable any other way than via this book.

A magnificent book for ANY collector to own. Words cannot describe the lavish production and contents and luxury "feel" .... EVERY person - dealer or collector - who has seen it here in the office desk picked it up and said "WOW"! Gary Watson's Prestige Philately got $437 for a set in their September 2007 Auction. They call them "without doubt the BEST product released by Australia post in recent decades". Buy yourself a classy GIFT you'll always love handling and looking at - or hint for this as a superb Christmas present!! $A425
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2007Sibir has replied as follows:

" HI, THIS ENGRAVED DIE PROOF IS PART OF A(sic) AUSTRALIAN LIMITED ISSUE THAT CONTAINED A NUMBER OF THESE DIFFERENT ENGRAVED DIE PROOFS.

EACH STAMP IS IN BLACK AND WHITE AND SEPARATELY CUT OUT IN A PLASTIC COVER WITHOUT A HINGE."

I have suggested to him his description as it stands on eBay is misleading (See below), and he really should state his example is not the original 1913 Die Proof, but a reproduction issued in 1999, otherwise he may well be accused of misleading buyers.
As it stands, his description reads "OZ PRE-DECIMAL KGV ENGRAVED DIE PROOF STAMP

SUPERB UNC ORIGINAL

NICE INVESTMENT. "

The word " Original" doesnt exacly tell the story.
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2007sibir seems to be a crook who never learns.

Please email him this thread link. :lol:
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To his credit, 2007 Sibir has replied to me via eBay as follows:
"HI PETE, THANKS FOR YOUR INFO.
WILL TRY TO REVISE MY DESCRIPTION OR REMOVE THIS
ITEM FROM SALE. REGARDS FROM ALEX"

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Well I hope he revises or removes the bleached like crazy fiscal stamps from here, and stops lying about Cat value of these lots -
ozstamps wrote:Can members please send him this thread link

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=16581&p=601339#p601339

And suggest he re-words the 1d Engraved description be "1990s PO reprint"

And suggest to him this deceptive lot now states the Coolgardie Camels are 100 year later crude facsimiles - - his write up imputes they are genuine.

https://cgi.ebay.com.au/OZ-42X-MINT-STATES-VIC-NSW-SA-WA-TAS- ... 0478823171
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And he is STILL active in bleaching the cr*p out of Victoria pen cancels, and trying to pass them off as "mint" with totally fake catalogue values claimed.
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https://cgi.ebay.com.au/1884-VICTORIA-19-X-NICE-VARIETY-DUTY- ... 0480435057

The 10/- in the centre has been bleached within a whisker of being white paper. :twisted: :evil:

This cretin calls this totally fiscal used lot -- worth $30 on a good day to any sane buyer - "Cat $935" and an "EXCELLENT INVESTMENT"-


1884 VICTORIA 19 STAMPS

NICE VARIETY DUTY TO 10 POUNDS

FU-MINTS CV>$935

EXCELLENT INVESTMENT
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A year on and the crook 2007sibir is still at it.

Stated catalogue value $6,145.00 GREAT INVESTMENT.

While this shouldn't fool anyone being such a crude looking facsimile it has 7 bids so far $46.51 but has 7 days still to run.

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https://cgi.ebay.com.au/1850-MINT-SYDNEY-VIEW-clouds-NICE-IMPERF-CV-6145-/110642853643

Heads up in case anyone here is bidding.

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1850+ MINT SYDNEY VIEW with clouds

NICE IMPERF with 4 margins

CV>$6,145.00

Excellent Condition UNHINGED/NO GUM

GREAT INVESTMENT.


2007sibir - you are a crook of the HIGHEST order.

'INVESTMENT'? .. it is worth $2 on a good day - not $6,145 you cretin.
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LUCKILY ebay have clear written rules re offering fakes as genuine.

hopefully a dozen members report this item, getting it removed, and getting yet another black mark against this serial crook 2007sibir

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I've reported the 'Sydney View' from 2007sibir to ebay tonight.
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bathurst stamper wrote:I've reported the 'Sydney View' to ebay tonight.
2007sibir is a serial crook.

The ebay Bunny morons have bid this fuzzy cut out from a magazine or whatever it is, up to ~$50 already.

One report never gets ebay to act .. it is a great start .. we need several more please folks!
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Global Administrator wrote:One report never gets ebay to act .. it is a great start .. we need several more please folks!

So, if our members here are also ebay members, go to the item, click on the 'report item' link and tell ebay the item for sale is a forgery. The more the merrier !! :D

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I contacted the 'Sydney View' seller and asked if he could confirm if the stamp was genuine and if it came with a certificate.

His response: " HI, IF YOU WIN THIS ITEM AND ARE NOT HAPPY WITH IT, PLEASE RETURN FOR A FULL REFUND WITHIN 7 DAYS. REGARDS FROM ALEX. POSTED INFO.

- 2007sibir"

Certainly likes to give nothing away with carefully selected words....is he running in the NSW state election perhaps ????? :lol:
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I have just lodged a complaint in eBay.

I expect eBay will not be able to provide any advice of action they might take but it will be interesting to see if a sale goes ahead.

I am aware of a number of previous deceptive listings by this guy but he is still at it.
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Well, the seller posted the two questions about the Sydney View on the item page, but it hasn't stopped the bunnies taking it to a tick over $100 with 11 hours to go :roll:
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2007sibir please go away. You give ebay a bad smell and I have taken pleasure in reporting you.
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Good !! The more people reporting this guy the better.

I bought the 1950 reproduction of the 1d Sydney View, made for the London International Stamp Exhibit and a much nicer production than 2007sibir's 'offering', for under A$10 this week so go figure !!!
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$256.51, about $256.50 too much,

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And five bidders who were happy to part with $100 or more. :shock:

Incredible, just incredible. :roll:
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After making my report to ebay and directing them to this discussion, I got this interesting reply:
Dear eBay Member,
Thank you for writing eBay in regard to suspicious stamp listings. Because eBay does not employ or train its Trust & Safety Customer Support Representatives to be experts in the area of stamps, we rely on expert opinions from knowledgeable people as well as reliable third party organizations.
Your report will be reviewed by a group of members that comprise a community watch group for stamp auctions. They then confer amongst themselves and either agree or disagree that the listings are problematic. If it is agreed that a listing(s) is fraudulent or improperly described, the listing(s) is then forwarded to eBay Trust andSafety for removal.
Please be sure to check our Prohibited, Questionable & Infringing Items pages for information on eBay listing policies and guidelines: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/items-ov.html If you received an informational alert or warning, and you have additional questions, or you have another listing to report, please contact us at the following link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/select-RS.html In order for us to get to you in a timely manner, please do not respond to this email. If you reply to this message we will not receive your email. All communications should be sent to the link provided above. Again, thank you for your report. We appreciate your help in keeping eBay a safe and reputable forum to conduct business.
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Well when the brain dead cretin buyer at $256 shows up via feedback please send them the link to this thread -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=16581

So that 2007sibir "Alex" can be kept to his slimy word -

" HI, IF YOU WIN THIS ITEM AND ARE NOT HAPPY WITH IT, PLEASE RETURN FOR A FULL REFUND WITHIN 7 DAYS. REGARDS FROM ALEX. "
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I have the same message from eBay but it seems to me by the time this 'committee' review the listing it will be too late. For this to be some sort of protection for eBay users it needs to work quickly. I also some of raised Sibir's other dodgey items in my complaint to them. I wonder of we will ever know the result?
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I have also reported the item. The Ebay review system doesn't finish when the item it sold. It continues for sometime afterwards, I do not how long,

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Sometimes you can get a win! 8)

I think I must have won the random EBay lottery as I have never recieved one of these: :lol:
Dear Peter,

Thank you for writing eBay to report this potentially violating listing to us.

I have thoroughly investigated your report, and have confirmed that the item was in violation of the eBay Selling Stamps policy. As such, I have removed the listing from the eBay site.

Thanks again for your report.

Sincerely,

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Which came 20 minutes after this one:
Dear eBay Member,

Thank you for writing eBay in regard to suspicious stamp listings.

Because eBay does not employ or train its Trust & Safety Customer Support Representatives to be experts in the area of stamps, we rely on expert opinions from knowledgeable people as well as reliable third party organizations.

Your report will be reviewed by a group of members that comprise a community watch group for stamp auctions. They then confer amongst themselves and either agree or disagree that the listings are problematic. If it is agreed that a listing(s) is fraudulent or improperly described, the listing(s) is then forwarded to eBay Trust and Safety for removal.

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Good grief! They actually did something. I noticed though that they removed the item not the seller.
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Re: KGV Engraved Die Proof for $1.80 from 2007sibir on ebay?

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jjarmstrong47 wrote:Good grief! They actually did something. I noticed though that they removed the item not the seller.
Doesn't look removed to me?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1850-MINT-SYDNEY-VIEW-clouds-NICE-IMPERF-CV-6145-/110642853643
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Re: KGV Engraved Die Proof for $1.80 from 2007sibir on ebay?

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No you're right, Glen. I was referring to the email from ebay but the listing is still there. I guess it's back to waiting for the feedback to come up.
Where do the years go? I went from philandering to philately and didn't even notice.
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Re: KGV Engraved Die Proof for $1.80 from 2007sibir on ebay?

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GlenStephens wrote:
jjarmstrong47 wrote:Good grief! They actually did something. I noticed though that they removed the item not the seller.
Doesn't look removed to me?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1850-MINT-SYDNEY-VIEW-clouds-NICE-IMPERF-CV-6145-/110642853643
Doh! :?

1000 appologies.... :oops: :oops: :oops:

The earlier notice was the normal drivel regarding the 2007sibir listing.

The actual notice was for removal of a crash cover that was from some idiot that claimed just because an expert claimed it was a crash cover (even though it had no identifiers) then it was worth a couple of hundred dollars.

Unfortunately it was a common cover with no markings that he had seemingly got too close to the joint he was smoking...
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Re: KGV Engraved Die Proof for $1.80 from 2007sibir on ebay?

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GlenStephens wrote:
jjarmstrong47 wrote:Good grief! They actually did something. I noticed though that they removed the item not the seller.
Doesn't look removed to me?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1850-MINT-SYDNEY-VIEW-clouds-NICE-IMPERF-CV-6145-/110642853643
Gone now .. good work by all. :)

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