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I know next to nothing about Australian States stamps but the alignment of those perf holes is atrocious, and to me, as someone that collects US, that looks like an amateur reperf job.
"Knowledge Is Power" :mrgreen:

They are absolutely normal looking on many printings from Victoria, Circa 1900. Uneven and ugly looking perfs were often the norm there. Depending on the gauge, you get sharp pointed tips and blunter ones, but as we can see both were often badly aligned, even on 1 side.

Victoria of course printed the WA stamps in this era, and similar ugly perf spacing is VERY normal -

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This above too looks to the untrained observer like an "amateur reperf" but it also is 100% perfectly genuine.

I've handled 10,000s of these issues, and Rod Perry probably handled MILLIONS in his career as a International Gold Medal exhibitor of "Victoria", and running a large Auction house there.

David Benson is a FIP Judge of long standing. We all agree this 1/- Victoria is normal and not re-perfed.

You can even see large and small perf pins in use along 1 side of each stamp!

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That halfpenny block is a great example - I don't have access to many blocks, but it shows the pin sizes being all over the place on some parts of those lines. I started another thread (see below) to show these differences on two individual stamps of this era.

Naturally, pins broke quite often, depending on the volume of the machine, but this highlights it really well within a single section of any given stamp.

I had mistakenly assumed that they would re-pin a whole tooth of a comb, say, to make them even, but it all cost money, I suppose and they obviously weren't bothered about the looks of the end products, as you can clearly see by the overall unevenness of the stamps of this era.

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I saw this online, and it looked reperf to me, particularly the bottom and the top left. Anyway thought id seek some more expert opinions.
Agree with Glen; why would you consider this common, insignificant stamp to be reperforated?

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I know next to nothing about Australian States stamps but the alignment of those perf holes is atrocious and to me, as someone that collects US, that looks like an amateur reperf job.
But, Bill, it's single-line perforation, applied horizontally and vertically in separate operations.

The intercept point of the two procedures does not synchronize.

Consequently, that's how they look once separated from a larger multiple.

Trust me, I've handled many hundreds of the stamp, and they all come the same way.

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Rod,

You and Glen are the experts on these. My point was that were this a US stamp the misaligned perf holes (both x and y axis) would be a dead giveaway that it was a reperf.

I'm assuming, of course, that this is normal for stamps like these.

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" My point was that were this a US stamp ".
The point is that you should not be comparing what occurs on one country's stamps with another. You can't even compare on what happened on the various Australian Colonial issues unless they were printed by the same printer.

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In the USA this is the highest quality possible to exist of this stamp. Highest grading score ever by the Exalted Grading Experts and "perforations impossible to improve upon". Auction Price $US105,000.00

Clueless hillbillies down here see a round corner, and an obvious pulled and short perf at base, but of course our eyes and American eyes, are from a different eye factory. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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David Benson wrote:Bill,

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The point is that you should not be comparing what occurs on one country's stamps with another. You can't even compare on what happened on the various Australian Colonial issues unless they were printed by the same printer.

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David,

That's why I said that. In fact, a stamp from most anywhere else wouldn't have perfs that crude either, and for those of us that collect from elsewhere a stamp like this would look to be crudely reperfed which is probably what the original poster saw.

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I'm wondering if the top of this £1 N.W.P.I has been re-perforated?

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blackrom wrote:I'm wondering if the top of this £1 N.W.P.I has been re-perforated?

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The top is fine. The base has been reperforated.

The kangaroos were comb perforated, so a fixed number of pins across the top and bottom and down the sides.

On this stamp, across the top 12 holes (correct) and across the bottom 13 holes (wrong). The top and bottom are also punched out by the same pins, so will be an EXACT match.

There are 16 holes down the sides. They were punched out by different pins arranged similarly, so will be a CLOSE match.
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A Helmich - Thank you for your response in confirming something was not quite right.. I was a little topsy turvy!

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The NWPI is clearly re-gummed as well. Likely has traces of the violet oval Radio Station cancel as well under UV.

A choice "ebay bunny bargain" no doubt?
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My re-perf of the week.

Someone took stamp 4 of this block, fiddled with the gum, thinned it in the process, VERY crudely re-perforated it on the top and left side as can clearly be seen, and despite all that, it just sold for $US295,000. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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The reperf made it better centered :lol:

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camelspotter wrote:The reperf made it better centered :lol:
The exact reason it was done - the weird American obsession with "perfect centering" above all else.

No need to touch (and mangle) the top.
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A Helmich wrote:
blackrom wrote:I'm wondering if the top of this £1 N.W.P.I has been re-perforated?

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The top is fine. The base has been reperforated.

The kangaroos were comb perforated, so a fixed number of pins across the top and bottom and down the sides.

On this stamp, across the top 12 holes (correct) and across the bottom 13 holes (wrong). The top and bottom are also punched out by the same pins, so will be an EXACT match.

There are 16 holes down the sides. They were punched out by different pins arranged similarly, so will be a CLOSE match.
Looks like the winning bidder of this from previous auction has now popped it up for sale.. attempted to inform them but no response.

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camelspotter wrote:The reperf made it better centered :lol:
The exact reason it was done - the weird American obsession with "perfect centering" above all else.

No need to touch (and mangle) the top.
It was done in an attempt to hide the identity of a stolen stamp.

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What proof do you have of that? It's not exactly convincingly hidden when there was only one sheet and all positions numbered and closely examined. What else could it ever have been but one of the stolen Jenny's?
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camelspotter wrote:The reperf made it better centered :lol:
That is why stamps are reperfed.
Perfect Gum makes a MINT stamp more attractive - that is why people regum and brush gum.
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This reperforated CofA £2 Roo is being advertised on EBay by Collectables Warehouse at the moment.

Even I could pick it easily!


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rsellens wrote:This reperforated CofA £2 Roo is being advertised on EBay by Collectables Warehouse at the moment.

Even I could pick it easily!
Well done.

The average ebay bunny of course will have zero clue, and the seller OF COURSE is not saying a word about the crude re-perf - that looks to have been done by a Blind Nun with a hat pin.

I hope a few members report this to the seller and to ebay. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

May save some clueless 'bargain hunter' from themsleves.
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Bought to the vendors attention and he ended the item.

He has done this before when dodgy items were bought to his attention. The lot had 9 bidders and all were cancelled. If he relists the stamp it will be correctly described. I understand he sells a lot of material for a Melbourne based collector/dealer.

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I've dealt with John in the past and he has always done the right thing in my opinion and I've got some lovely items from him.

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I have also dealt with him in the past and all stamps have have been good quality. I was surprised to see such an obvious reperf on his site.

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This stamp was relisted with an amended description. It still sold for $368.

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This stamp was relisted with an amended description. It still sold for $368.
Well no. He bought it himself via his VERY active Shill Bidding account as is pretty obvious -

https://stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=67401&p=5058323#p5058323

Indeed near eveeything that sells for any sum over $100 by
collectableswarehouse1 is bid up madly by his own shill bidding account as can be seen on above discussion.

Ebay LOVES shill bidding by vendors, as it makes them a FORTUNE extra.

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Here is a Rhodesia Double Head purporting to be the scarce compound Perf 15 x 14.
Scott 106b or SG 181.

Currently on ebay and offered by stormer19:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/391899235349

In reality, a Perf 14 x 14 stamp reperfed top and bottom:

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The Rhodesia re-perfing looking like it was done by a Blind Nun with a hat pin. Scores 1 on a scale of 10 for skill level.

Regummed as well of course - over a hinge thin above BR. Has anyone reported this to the ebay spiv seller stormer19 - and what was his response?

Indeed our ebay spiv seller stormer19 and STORMER19 STAMPS seems to be the master of offering regums without mentioning them. :roll: :roll: :roll:

ALL the pre war Australia I looked at were offered as Never Hinged - no scan of reverses, and I can tell they are regums from looking at fronts.

Most ebay Bunnies of course cannot, and WHY these cretins buy MUH Kangaroos from some unknown clown in Washougal, Washington is one of the wonders of ebay. Bunnies stupidity chasing 'EEEBAY BARGEENZ' that they will get 20% back on when they sell.
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Buy It Now for $US165

A Blind Nun can see this is a rough reperf, and this clown has crudely tried to ream out the gummed up perf ends.

ebay spiv seller stormer19 - give them a HUGE miss.

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Global Administrator wrote:Regummed as well of course - over a hinge thin above BR. Has anyone reported this to the ebay spiv seller stormer19 - and what was his response?
Correct, the Rhodesia stamp is both soaked (color loss) and regummed.

eBay seller stormer19 blocked me a long time ago.

Avoid him like the plague unless you are fully competent in identifying doctored stamps.

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Any thoughts on this one.....


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Chris has a lovely "Long Spencer's Gulf" listed flaw. :mrgreen:

1913 Roos are strange beasts. Comb perf strokes were not always regular. That probably looks reperfed at base, but it is not IMHO.

This 2/- is ex Gray is genuine, but LOOKS like base perfs are fiddled with. They are not.
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Thanks Glen, I thought it was a borderline case.

Estimated at £225-250 if anyone's interested.

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"Estimates" for stamp auctions are totally meaningless sadly!

You could start such better Bi-Colour Roos at 1¢, and they will still bring market value.
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I found this in a recently purchased collection & thought you'd all like it..... :(

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Apart from the reperf on that 6d Roo, are those brand new bits of paper at the SE and SW corners, or is it just me?

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Just a part of the Blind Nun re-perf service Norm. No extra charge for those.

The cretin did all FOUR sides, and all done appallingly.
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Was this reperf done with a hatpin or a lemon zester?

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'AH' lettering must have had a wing margin at RIGHT.

That has been re-perforated as well as all other sides. Is it a ScamBay BAAAARGEEN offering?
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No, not eBay... https://www.apfelbauminc.com/british-commonwealth/53-reperfed-fine-og-63592.html Cheap, but still not a good deal. Scruffy-looking 19th C. GB stamps are one of the biggest Catalogue Value inflators out there. No one wants them, generally.

Where is that 2s pane from? That's a real museum piece!

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erich wrote:Was this reperf done with a hatpin or a lemon zester?

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The only thing I've ruled out is a four hole punch.

Middle production block, right wing margin, should look like this

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Notice its also been shortened abysmally too, to visually centre the printing, but wreck the authenticity.

Then I guess, like the Pringles ad, once you start, you can't stop ....

Its a train wreck, and not worth the $95.
erich wrote: Where is that 2s pane from? That's a real museum piece!
Its the only known whole pane of SG121 2/- Brown left intact.

Ex Bill Gross collection, I think the last time it sold was for $500,000

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Whilst on the topic of GB SG121 2 shilling brown (UK), I did notice a fairly abysmal "upgrade" on eBay.

This is what a wing margin (Columns H, I, D, or E) should look like.

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and that is around a £500-600 stamp (Usually advertised higher, but they take offers).

So when this comes up, you know its going to be cheap

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Sold on eBay for £169. Fair enough.

A lot of wing margin stamps were trimmed because the aesthetic "did not look right" when placing wing / non wing margin stamps alongside each other in an album.

This was exacerbated by Stanley Gibbons preprinted albums (SG Windsor) always assuming stamps were a standard width, so did not allow "expansion" for the wings. They were regarded as the ugly ducklings.

But times change, as does technology, as does the number of "stamp enhancers", and indeed, bunnies .....

So its a five minute job (actually two weeks apart on ebay) for a "visually impaired lady of the cloth with a hatpin" to make this small change.

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As you can see, a presentable stamp that now fits nicely in a pre-printed album, so eagerly sought by the uneducated.

It sold for £397.

This is a particularly crude change. I have exhibits that are a lot more professionally done.... but the basic premise remains, columns H-I-D-E, without wing margins, are reperfs, in each and every case for this issue.

Even after commissions (and possibly just half an hours work) this "basic" skill appears both highly profitable and highly unethical, but curiously, not even a tad illegal.

Philosophically I suppose I should be grateful that there are people out there prepared to destroy stamps (this was a rare stamp to begin with), to make my collection just a little bit rarer, but it doesn't really feel like a victory at all.

We need to be ever vigilant.

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That 2/- reperf is APPALLING!

Done in 2 minutes with sharp hatpin it looks like. Even the Blind Nun would spot that. :mrgreen:

Do you have the ebay seller - should be named and shamed for sure.
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That 2/- reperf is ridiculously obvious, aside from being a position that can't exist as a non-wing margin, and haven't they figured out that people can save old eBay pics and do a "before and after" as ViccyVFU did? Bunnies, indeed. The "Saratoga Ring" used to do this with US stamps -- buy seconds on the cheap, doctor them up, and put them back up on eBay.

As an aside, what is the story behind the 2/- brown being so rare? Postal rate change?

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erich wrote:That 2/- reperf is ridiculously obvious, aside from being a position that can't exist as a non-wing margin, and haven't they figured out that people can save old eBay pics and do a "before and after" as ViccyVFU did? Bunnies, indeed. The "Saratoga Ring" used to do this with US stamps -- buy seconds on the cheap, doctor them up, and put them back up on eBay.

As an aside, what is the story behind the 2/- brown being so rare? Postal rate change?

2/- Blue = 6,000,000+
2/- Brown = 77,000 only. Then discontinued and remainders destroyed.
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Global Administrator wrote: Do you have the ebay seller - should be named and shamed for sure.
Not for this example, which, when I looked up the file dates, was from November 2017 (before I joined Stampboards).
However, quite happy to call out further incursions, as long as I can get a full screenshot for evidence first.
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erich wrote: As an aside, what is the story behind the 2/- brown being so rare? Postal rate change?
In mid-1879 there were several color changes needed for stamps to conform with the Universal Postal Union's international color standard.

One of the stamps affected was the Twopence Halfpenny, which would change from rosy mauve to blue, resulting in a conflict with the Two Shillings value, which was then currently printed in blue.

Therefore, an order was made for new Two Shillings stamps in brown and they were delivered in February of 1880.

However, they remained only in use for a mere six months, until July 16, 1880 when they were withdrawn from sale.

From the moment the stamps were withdrawn from use, the Two Shilling Brown almost instantly became a scarce stamp and today it is recognized as one of the rarest stamps of the Surface Printed era.

Even the Sperati forgeries are relatively rare, and command good prices !!

Just for a bit of fun, I created a quick test for you, to see if you can spot the missing wing margins / reperfs.

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No need to reply..... lets not divert the thread!!

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Always on the lookout for Australian pre decimal First Day Covers.

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Overlooking whether it is a forged overprint or not, it is very clearly re-perfed at right and base, and in addition, some total cretin has also decided to use scissors as well to give it a "haircut". :roll: :roll: :roll:
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I thought you'd like it.....
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Re: Re-perforated Stamp of the Week.

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It appears that re-perfed wing margins are in season .....

Vendor makes no comment on reperf, despite being a seller with 100% feedback record.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142362829805

Postion LD, which should have a wing margin on the right.

Looks like a bent corner (bottom right) too. Have dealers simply given up describing faults in stamps?

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£400 is not outrageous for a re-perf, if it were fine condition, but I can see this one being a difficult resell in 10 years time.

Its been sitting on eBay for a year now.

A clipped, but un-reperfed one, in better nick, sold for £761 at auction (inc all fees).

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And a full wing margin with a clean but heavy cancel went for £825

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I know I'm going to upset purists, but for my money, if you can't buy a decent one, you're better off with a replica.

Spending £400 on "this one" would be like throwing half your money away BEFORE you'd mounted it!

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Ever the proverbial Blind Nun could spot that ugly ameteur mess. :shock:

anthonyborwn55 should get reports for NOT mentioning that. :twisted:
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Re: Re-perforated Stamp of the Week.

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Well, I never wanted to make this thread GB SG121 (J120) of the week, but there are at least four trimmed wing margin exhibits of this stamp currently listed on .co.uk, and three of them are from reputable dealers (over 5,000 feedback, and known to me).

Here's one from Steve Allen. No mention of trimming or re-perf.

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/372301255023

(No back shot, because it would be too obvious, I guess).

Possibly a tad overvalued for faults at £390 (even for a bunny), but definitely "an awfully difficult resell down the line" at this price.

Here's what a column H stamp should look like

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It will come as no surprise that because of the popularity of trimming this margin (to fit pre-printed albums of the age), complete ones are actually quite hard to find in any condition, let alone decent grade.

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