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Greetings all -

Glen has encouraged me to go ahead with this project. I am going to compile a list of all known online stamp auctions around the world.

It will be updated once a week with new information that YOU have provided. I hope to find 200+ in three months, that's the goal.

So look at the first cut of the list, and send me more URLs, either by emailing me directly or by posting a message here. Each time, new auctions will be added in alphabetical order by the first word after www or http.

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List #1 - 11 Feb 08

http://www.auction-123.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.BidVille.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.delcampe.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ebay.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ricardo.ch" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.StampCorner.ch" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.StampFair.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://StampHead.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.StampOffers.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.stamporama.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.StampWants.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Here is one I use a little

www.oztion.com.au
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For NZ and Aussie

www.trademe.co.nz

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Great, Ann -- you are the first contributor -- of many, I hope.

Let's hear from Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, UK, Italy, there are tons of stamp auctions out there we've never heard of.

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One run by one of our boarders.

www.bidferret.com


Others....
www.blueowlsstamps.com.au
www.Prestigephilately.com
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Doug a lot of dealers have on line auctions .. do they count for inclusion in your list?

Auckland City Stamps has one.

Michael Eastick has another etc.
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Doug, do mean online auctions or online sales???

As Glen said most dealers have online sales but some have auctions also.
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Post by petercollects0 »

Great idea for a thread.

I have found Philatino to be pretty good. Don't use them often but worth a browse - have found a few South American items there that I couldn't find anywhere else.

http://www.philatino.com/
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www.vf-auktion.dk (auction house - read the rules) sends international as well - I've used the German section mainly, but there is a broad mix, good, bad, better and quality :)

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doug2222usa wrote:www.ricardo.ch
The QXL family - Thiese are mainly for the country, that they are in.

Ricardo is the old name, and just recently the entire company was bought by a SA company - takeover somewhere in March I belive.

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My compilation will include only online stamp auctions where YOU can list and sell an item, so that eliminates thousands of dealer-operated websites. We could never find all of those!

That is the prime criterion, you must be able to join/register and sell your own material; that's the essence of being an alternative to ebay.

Thanks for the additions, they will be added to the first update.

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Here is one for Germany.

www.moonwheel.biz/

Heard good things about it.

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Londonbus1 wrote:Here is one for Germany.

www.moonwheel.biz/

Heard good things about it.
Hey Londonbus - moonwheel is, from what I know, a dealers site, you can register and sell your items, however only under one cat. "Open shop" - all the other categories are reserved for the moonwheel dealer.

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have had a quick look at most of these, a couple appear to be dealer sites, namely Blue Owl, and Prestige.

This is a good idea
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doug2222usa wrote:My compilation will include only online stamp auctions where YOU can list and sell an item [/size]
Doug,

Given that criterion it may be better to not list Philatino as you can only sell there if you are a registered business and sign up to their system. They have about 15 - 20 sellers, so I guess you could call it a dealers cooperative?

Perhaps you need a single line for each site stating any limitations like that up front?

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Under the criterion of being able to list and sell at pubic auctions. Then blueowlsstamps and prestige probably don't fit the Bill.

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Kloster wrote:
Londonbus1 wrote:Here is one for Germany.

www.moonwheel.biz/

Heard good things about it.
Hey Londonbus - moonwheel is, from what I know, a dealers site, you can register and sell your items, however only under one cat. "Open shop" - all the other categories are reserved for the moonwheel dealer.

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Hi Kloster,
You could be right. Just had another look and it seems like all the items are for sale or exchange...even though they are listed as auctions. The other sellers have no items for sale/auction.
So I guess this can be excluded from the list unless things change.
Good Danish seller of this material though with many great reports.

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Thank doug2222usa for compiling the auction sites, but what are the other criterias do you consider except those operated by dealer?

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To appear on "my" list, a collector must be able to list and sell stamps in the online auction.

This excludes all "dealer" websites, since although they have online auctions, a private collector cannot sell in them.

For the time being, I am listing "rejects" but at some point, I may delete them permanently. Listing them prevents them from showing up over and over.

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Hi Doug2222usa

For clarification, do online auction houses which accept consignments for sale, qualify :? :?

Most of the auctions that I'm familiar with in Canada, accept consignments and sell on behalf of the seller.

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No, they don't qualify either. The owner of the stamps (YOU) must be able to list and sell by online auction. "You" get much better results when "you" are in charge. :D

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It looks like the one with the most users is Delcampe. Has anyone here bought or sold there? How well did it go?

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Great resource doug.

Many here might not have seen this - an interesting article .. a ebay USERS strike Feb 18-25!

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23199901-5007146,00.html

Decay sets in as eBay changesBy Geoff Shearer

February 12, 2008 05:20am

INTERNET behemoth eBay is showing signs of decay.

A planned strike by many of its sellers over higher fees and changes to feedback rules has competitors circling. They are smelling blood and picking off sellers and buyers as they flee.

Although past boycotts by eBay sellers have flopped, there is considerably more desperation in the angry voices of those organising this latest week-long strike, planned from next Monday.

In a call to arms, seller Valerie Lennert has posted a YouTube video titled Feb 18-25th 2008: World Ebay Strike. It has had 27,800 hits as of yesterday morning. "My inbox is overflowing with people that are ticked off," she told Fortune magazine.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U4MtVPuU9-Q

I'm not surprised, Val. What they're "ticked off" about is a series of changes being introduced by the company's new CEO John Donahoe to counteract lagging sales.

They include a new fee structure to come into place this month that spells increases across the board but with discounts for "powersellers" who reach certain sales criteria levels; and a controversial change to the feedback protocol in May which will prevent sellers leaving negative feedback against buyers who misbehave. Which sounds dangerously like an open invitation for miscreant buyers to "go for it".

It is a way to drag buyers - who may have been stung or embarrassed by a previous negative comment - back to a "moderately safer" fold. And if there's something eBay needs right now it is more buyers - whatever their level of quality.

PC Authority reports that the number of active buyers increased 14 per cent in 2006, but only 2 per cent in 2007 "which suggests buyers are buying only once or twice and then leaving". Meanwhile, income growth was down to 4 per cent in 2006 compared to up 76 per cent in 2004.

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Yeah, I've decided I've had enough of eBay as a seller. I'll keep watching for bargains as a buyer, but they are getting fewer and fewer. It is increasingly resembling the old Yahoo auction site. Remember -- no listing fees, so it was full of unsellable crud all the time. eBay is getting closer and closer to that model.

My one concern about Delcampe is the same: no listing fees, and automatic renewal of listings, so how do you make your stuff stand out among the oceans of overpriced crud?

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Greg, I have been both a buyer and seller on Delcampe, and I have no big complaints. Management is terrific - and very much user-friendly. I've heard directly from Sebastian (the owner) a number of times.

Here is the one sticking point - the bulk of Delcampe's European buyers are impatient: they want "buy-it-now" listings, and shun (to some extent) the auction format. Therefore, I have to guess not only "what" will appeal to European buyers, but "what price level" will walk the fine line between a profitable impulse sale and no sale at all.

This is difficult without a lot of time-consuming stamp-market advice from my European friends.

Even if I had a Delcampe store, I would have the same problem, i.e., not being very familiar with the European market. The French, Swiss, and German sellers have a distinct advantage, in that they already KNOW the "local" market (Delcampe is headquartered in Belgium, I should have mentioned).

I have no problem with the operational aspects of Delcampe, other than the fact that Sebastian could improve matters by modifying the modest fee structure to discourage crud.

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How do they handle payment? I'm so used to everything being through PayPal!

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Greg, they (can) use PayPal, but Europeans don't like it very well. An American seller must be flexible and accept paper Euros, for instance, which I have received a number of times, and I "make change" with mint stamps.

The inter-European transactions have an advantage, in that the proliferation of giro accounts and interbanking transfers (much more prevalent there than in the US) allows easy payment, and
as such, that's another impediment to American sellers.

As they say, "if it were easy, everybody would be doing it."

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Greg Ioannou wrote:How do they handle payment? I'm so used to everything being through PayPal!

Greg
I have bought and sold on Delcampe too, although far more buying than selling :D Doug's comments are spot on.

As far payment, I started using www.moneybookers.com when dealing with European clients after too many just sent euro notes through the mail.

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Thanks. I'm going to give Delcampe a try for a while. As far as I can see, eBay has just told me they don't want me as a seller. And Delecampe has the most potential buyers of the available alternatives. The fact that they've introduced a Paypal equivalent is another deciding factor for me.

I'll let you know how it goes!

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Greg is there any reason, which you could share with us?
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Problems I see with eBay as a seller:

-- they have nearly doubled the price they charge sellers in the past 18 months.
-- and sales levels are down and prices have dropped.
-- sales are in US dollars, which have fallen from $1.50Canadian to equal to the Canadian dollar over the past couple of years.
-- the eBay site is getting slower, more difficult to use, and less flexible.

Delcame is cheaper. Sales are in euros, which haven't fallen. The site is easy to use. The only weak point is sales levels, but let's see how bad sales are there.

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If there was a brick and morter mall in which you leased one of the locations, you will see something occur. One, you will get some sales because the mall itself draws traffic. Two, you will get exponential increase in sales if you advertise and draw your own customers to the store.

No matter what site you choose, if you are not willing to make and effort of contacting old customers or some other form of getting the word out, you are going to be very dissapointed. I have seen this first hand.

You do not need a ton of users to get decent results!

There is a seller on StampOffers.com who did just this and is selling more than $5000 a month; same ole 6-10 users that he brought with him from ebay are doing most of the buying. Yes, he has picked up some other bids from users who just happened to be walking through the mall...er...site.

It is easy to blame the other sites when one does not sell anything....especially when they do not make an effort to contact people who trust you by coming to you again and again.

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Hi, StampOffers

Correct me if I am wrong. In ebay, the seller feedback is determined by different customer then only that you will have your feedback increase. However the feedback provided by the same customer won't get your feedback increase. The more feedback given by the buyers, the more trusted you are and the more business you will likely to deal. However, dealing with a group loyal customer may not get your goodwill trusted as your feedback never increase. I have no idea will this happen in StampOffers and how StampOffers to get its seller trusted and reliable.

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Guys, please give Bidferret a shot, we are easy to use, and you can list your favourite currency. No listing fees, and with your help we can grow.

Don;t forget to tell your customers where you are listing

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Hi Kevin,

I decide to do so in bidferret, but receiving payment from other country to Malaysia is really headache for me....Do you have any suggestion?

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I am sorry I cannot advise on this...anyone else able to help out here?
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I decide to do so in bidferret, but receiving payment from other country to Malaysia is really headache for me....Do you have any suggestion?
Bidferret also has a direct Payment called Moneybookers, which is Truly Internatonal, as long as the seller accepts it. Currently all the dahubbpostal items on Bidferret, accept Moneybookers AND Paypal.
Also you can send cash (Registered Advised) we can also set up options for just about any other method you may ask for, There are several other DIRECT payment modules built in,but not activated.(Worldpay,2Checkout.com,NoChex,Ikobo,Protx,& Authorise net) I have never heard of these so have not activated then, but ANY SELLER that wants one of them activated only has to ask..
There is a facility for doing a Direct Bank deposit if the Seller selects to accept that payment method, then a little box opens for them to send you their Bank Details. If you do online Banking ANYBODY can pay ANYBODY quickly and easily.
There is also a currency converter built in and we WILL add extra currency support if asked by a Seller. So if you want to list in South African Rand or Malaysian Ringitt, just ask and we will add that Currency within a few Days. (For Sellers)
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Fletches1.

Direct deposit to overseas countries is very expensive from certain banking institutions. My Credit Union charges $30 for overseas transfer but I can do it for nothing within Aust.

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I just set up a Moneybookers account for Delcampe, so I can use that for Bidferret. Sure, I'd be happy to list some Aussie stuff on Bidferret. Let's see how it does.

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Direct deposit to overseas countries is very expensive from certain banking institutions. My Credit Union charges $30 for overseas transfer but I can do it for nothing within Aust.
I never use International Bank Deposit either, because the sender pays. I have received Money and paid no fee.

I buy a lot of approvals stuff from the USA and the seller takes no form of payment other than cash. It costs me $7 at Travelex to get $US which is fair and inline with most Exchanges.

I know that in Malaysia you can change any currency without a problem, so taking Cash would solve the "How do I get paid".

Unlike eBay we do not ban ANY type of payment.... That is up to Seller & Buyer to agree on.
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I'll bet if you stood up at your local stamp (or coin) club and announced that you would buy US currency at the going rate (www.xe.com), you would never have to pay $7 again. :?


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My opinion is Delcampe is full of vastly overpriced crud that will never sell in my main interest of GB stamps.
As mentioned before if free to list and free re-list which needs to happen three times before I can put in a lower offer.This doesn't encourage the real sellers and if you have the volume of stock to sell like some on ebay you also need the volume of buyers to encourage you to list at 99p starts.
My experience has been bad as well when contacting management about issues as I have never yet had a single reply! Have also bought a couple of lots where there has been no response from sellers to my e-mails and as a result I have not completed those transactions. I suspect that some sell very little so are just not checking their mail frequently enough.
Maybe if they gave free listings and sales to sellers who wer eprepared to put up lots a 99p or 99c starts for a while it may encourage the extra traffic to their site.
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One of the Truths about attracting listings is that if you NO NOT charge you most likely end up with tens of thousands of single stamp "Crud" listings. This makes it very difficult to find anything worthwhile for a Buyer.

However if you charge for a listing, you do not get the listings in the first place UNLESS you already have a large Buyer population. Bit of Dammed if you do and Dammed if you don't.

Oztion approached this problem recently by introducing a MINIMUM Final Value fee of 25c, then a percentage over that, basically the cut off point is $6.50 listings.
However they did solve the problem of "crud" --almost. Their Stamp listings went from 44000 plus to over 20000 n 3 months, cutting out a lot of garbage and making it a better Buyers experience.
They have put on a lot of experienced programmers and started charging for extras like spot ads etc.
Bottom line is that a site needs Sales to succeed, No Sales = no development= no growth.
An Auction site needs many buyers because without them you can't have an Auction.
The alternative is to provide an alternate environment to somebody running their own separate Sales Cart website. The advantage of this new method with the sudden proliferation of alternative sites is to provide a "Mall" shared experience.
Within that Mall the Sellers have to do their OWN promotion to their customers, just as they would to get them to visit their stand alone websites. Bidferret advertises in Stamp News every month for the benefit of its Sellers and to notify Buyers
The Market is ever changing...
One thing is for sure..eBay is losing ground as others jockey for position.
Another is that SPECIALIZATION is the ath to success
Stamp Collecting does not have to be Expensive to be Fun ! - .
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On StampOffers.com you receive an increase or decrease for every feedback received. Meaning, if you have 100 successful transactions with one person, your feedback would be 100 not 1.

As for payment systems....sellers can use whatever they want. It is a moot point for one to be discussing if a site supports one or the other. Yes, it does make it convenient if a site allows payments for paypal (as an example) to occur through the script (as with StampOffers.com) but, if a seller has an account with money bookers (or whoever) they can send you payment instructions directly.

At StampOffers.com there is NO basic listing fee and NO final value fee. I am not greedy and in this to make money. I just want collectors to realize that there is an alternative and that alternative is FREE!

List your items, tell your customers where to find them, and YOU KEEP THE PROFITS!!

Happy to answer questions.

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http://www.StampOffers.com

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In addition.....

I would like to let you know that I actively monitor the site and will not hesitate to remove any "shonk" (is that how you spell it) for any reason. I have removed nearly 100 users from the site in the past year. I also have a policy that if you receive 3 unique negative feedbacks (from 3 different users) I will review your account and have the right to remove you as well.

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I notice one of your prominent Sellers sets a $15 minimum transaction for PayPal. I have no problem with this, it doesn't bother me, but would PayPal shut this guy down if they found out??

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