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White 'Master Version' China T46 Monkey stamp on eBay

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My neighbour saw this on eBay and wondered if this is for real. Any views by the experts on this? I , for one, have never heard of a white master version of the stamp. Still 5 hours to go, and already bidding has exceeded 1 grand...

A check of the seller's listings, both past and current, shows that he/she had sold several 'normal' T46s in the past, and is currently having another 2 'normal' T46s on sale. No negative feedback thus far, but then this does not mean anything...

Seller - bmw202012

Link - https://www.ebay.com/itm/PR-China-Orig-Monkey-Stamp-With-WHIT ... 3aa5647451

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Never heard of such a thing. Will be interesting to see how this goes...
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It's described as fine but there is clearly a large thin....
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Re: White 'Master Version' China T46 Monkey stamp on eBay

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Is there an enormous Moron Academy out there somewhere, turning out these sellers and bidders by the boatload?

This was the first Lunar New Year stamp. WHAT colour is THE most auspicious for Chinese people - WHITE or RED? Durrrhhhh.

48 bids, for this sun faded rag with a MASSIVE thin described this -

This one was one of the sample stamps (Master). The design scheme was made by the designer and handed over to Peking Stamps Production Center. White setting. No publication. Seldom can be found in the market.

You will NEVER see it again anywhere in your lifetime!

The stamp is 100% Genuine and in fine condition.

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Western people wear white for weddings. Chinese consider it a funeral colour. (Well, some guys might consider marriage akin to dying...).

So the seller is alleging, and the Bunnies are lapping up, the idea that this is some sort of trial print of the artwork, with the red stripped away to see the detail better? Rubbish.
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If this sells, I am sure the vendor can make enough for all the underbidders, if is it sunny,

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More than the Red colour is missing.
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Allanswood wrote:More than the Red colour is missing.
Yes a lot of the gold is gone too.

Here is a GENUINE Chine "Monkey" stamp I sold this year - strong metallic gold and deep red -

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Most of T46 sold on ebay are fake. Especially those from Chiese seller.

Because they can easily sell much more in China! Most fake ones are the famous Taiwan version and it is very hard for normal collectors to tell whether they are real ones or not.

For this white monkey, I heard that it was washed by some kind of liquid, but I am not sure of that.
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I have just checked several MNH red monkey sold by this guy. And obviously that they are all fake... For those used ones, as the photos are not very clear, I can't check them.

You may also notice that he do not ship to China. He lives in China and do not ship to China... Why?

Because all stamp dealer in China knows it is fake and will sure return it!
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A few eBay sellers are constantly offering PRC "error" stamps and majority of them are either chemical washed or from printer waste which people working in the factory sell backdoor.
flippy1234 wrote:I have just checked several MNH red monkey sold by this guy. And obviously that they are all fake...
Can you offer tips how to differentiate the remaining 2 copies of Red Monkey from this particular seller are obvious fakes? All the photos the seller uploads are from an angle which presumably are to show the raised shinning hair line.

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The fake one has the "8H" leaning towards the left, the real thing has it leaning towards the right....

They had good drawing lessons apparently :)
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Omg, it sold for over US $1200. :shock:
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Never ceases to amaze me. No matter how well off financially, who in his right mind would drop this kind of cash without an expert certificate or a whole whack of personal knowledge?

Boggles the mind. :roll:
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Rein wrote:The fake one has the "8H" leaning towards the left, the real thing has it leaning towards the right....
Didn't know my eyes are that bad. Which part of "8H" is leaning toward the left?
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flippy1234 wrote:
I have just checked several MNH red monkey sold by this guy. And obviously that they are all fake... For those used ones, as the photos are not very clear, I can't check them.

You may also notice that he do not ship to China. He lives in China and do not ship to China... Why?

Because all stamp dealer in China knows it is fake and will sure return it!
The Totally Brain Dead ebay bidders have outdone themselves with this seller. :roll:

I bet they leave positive feedback to bmw202012 for their multi $1000 dollar fakes. After all, they were "Bargains".

Idiots.
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Global Administrator wrote:
flippy1234 wrote:
I have just checked several MNH red monkey sold by this guy. And obviously that they are all fake... For those used ones, as the photos are not very clear, I can't check them.i

You may also notice that he do not ship to China. He lives in China and do not ship to China... Why?

Because all stamp dealer in China knows it is fake and will sure return it!
The Totally Brain Dead ebay bidders have outdone themselves with this seller. :roll:

I bet they leave positive feedback for their multi $1000 dollar fakes. After all, they were "Bargains".

Idiots.
I can sort of understand these bunnies, in Canada we call them suckers, thinking they're getting a good deal on this "rare" stamp. Obviously they have not bothered to do the slightest bit of research. But who in their right mind shells out over a grand for a stamp with such significant damage. That's simply boggles my mind.

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Doug69 wrote:
But who in their right mind shells out over a grand for a stamp with such significant damage.
Totally Brain Dead ebay Bunnies is who.

42 bids so it must be "rare" - right? :lol: :lol: :lol:


ebay seller bmw202012 is a crook - he has sold dozens of "China Monkey" stamps, mint used, bleached and one cover in recent times - all totally fake of course - to these idiots -

https://www.ebay.com/sch/bmw202012/m.html?item=251882927185&h ... ld=1&rt=nc
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