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Are other people thinking about how the virus might impact eBay trading?

On the plus side, I see lots of people staying home and having time to sort out their stamps and do some serious buying.

On the downside, if things get really bad there might be trouble with the post, people might get scared of catching it off packages, and a lot of collectors might be too busy fighting the virus to have any time for stamping. Especially as we have a generally older demographic.

Right now I'm seeing it as a plus, but the situation is evolving rapidly.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

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I have mostly stopped making online purchases for the time being, unless there is something that I really like.

The main reason is the disruption caused by the number of cancelled flights, particularly between the US and the Schengen area, and flights to/from China. However, Malta has also suspended flights to or from several European countries - Germany, France, Spain, Switzerland and obviously Italy - so even mail from Europe might not arrive or be delayed for quite some time.
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And what effect does Covid-19 have on AIRMAIL services? Well heaps of course.

Since Trump banned near all commercial aircraft between USA and Europe - and now Ardern in NZ today - who are the ones who carry near all mail from Postal Services globally, the established systems will be in a total mess.

Few planes = little mail. (China has been fumigating all mail from Hubei in recent months.)

So mail that took a week might take a month. For eBay sellers, that triggers not received reports, and auto PayPal refunds.

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I expect two registered items from USA to Germany..., one apparently has been meanwhile arrived in Germany at the exchange office in Frankfurt, the second one is since a few days in Cincinnati..., lets hope and wait...
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Global Administrator wrote: The buyer is ALWAYS right on ebay.
Not really, I was conned by a seller from Cuba recently.
Until I paid, numerous exchanges and even WhatsApp messages showing more Gandhi items to purchase.. and once I made payment, it was dead silence on the other side. After a month, I asked eBay to interfere and resolve, the seller responded saying the item shipment was delayed... its 4 months now, and I am still hoping my tin can mail will turn up.
eBay just care for their margin, they turn deaf when you ask for a resolution and even automatically close the request after 2 weeks. Pathetic lot
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Contact PayPal .. you get no goods - he gets no money. Simple.

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I decided to stop buying things for the moment, I think it's better to be safe than sorry.
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It is time to buy when nobody is buying.
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I buy, but may ask the seller to hold shipment until the situation is clearer..., but, I also would love if other bidders on lots I am interested will stop buying...
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A good time to buy is when its a bad time to sell.

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My Ebay sales slowed down a few weeks ago then dropped to virtually nil last week.

If only I was selling toilet paper!

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I'm not listing anything until things calm down a bit.

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It just occurred to me I had better stock up on packing supplies for any orders.

Even if I don't list anything new, I still have plenty of BINs running, and stationery stores will be shut if we go the same way as Italy in 2 weeks' time.

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steevh wrote:People might get scared of catching it off packages
The press have rolled out a lot of old housewives (sorry, ladies) tales about how you might catch it "in the most unlikely of circumstances".

Not one reported case of mail being the source yet, and that's because of ... well, the science.

The virus, outside a host, only lives a couple of days.

Meaning that unless someone in your country posted you an item first class, licked the envelope, and you had skin defects when opening it, you are extremely unlikely to catch anything that way.

If in doubt - receive the letter, don't open it for a couple of days, and use a letter opener and gloves. Wipedown all surface, afterwards.

Wuhan "decontamination" is a PR stunt only - if it was in saliva, and inside sealed gum layers, the decontaminants wouldn't reach it ...... its mostly for public reassurance. (They might as well spray it with "anti elephant dust" :D ).

You are infinitely more likely to catch it from "the keypad of a cashpoint machine", or "a public toilet handle".

I've noticed people at public auctions wearing latex gloves, and hand washing after viewing .... (which is always sensible precaution anyway, for some of the lots I handle!!).

Alcohol (min 70%) wipes are good - I have a small handspray of isopropyl alcohol with me at all times (and anyone who asks gets their hands sprayed).

This week, there was an announcement at the auction because someone kept nicking the handsoap ... despite the fact we are reporting no particular shortages anywhere (We are restricted to buying a maximum of three in each shopping visit, but hey "they really should not have to say that").

Generally, I'm not shipping abroad, other than to known agents, that offer it on eBay in their own territory. When buying, just act sensibly, but no special handling is required (unless you spot the first point situation, above).

If you do source from other countries, think how much you really want it, and ask for proof of dispatch (an image of the envelope, or PO receipt is good). I've never been turned down for a request like that (inbound or outbound - no big deal).

I always go "to the last five days" before picking the refund options ... its surprising, even in "normal times", how some packages / shapes "just take too long".

More people will have more "free time", but I suspect many will turn their hand to "anything that pays the mortgage" rather than find more time for stamps. The elderly might, but I do expect "a net increase in listings, with some real bargains to be had, mainly from poor descriptions". (Obviously, this has a downside :( ).

This virus will, unfortunately, kill a heavier percentage of "our demographic" than most, so I also expect to see further volume increase, both in ebay, and in the more traditional auction houses, possibly for a couple of years, as it works through.

My game plan would be to "continue to seek out the best material at bargain prices", but not drop my standards one jot "just because we are awash with bargains in other fields".

Now, wash your hands !! Stay safe.

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I like to peruse the ebay listings for U.S. based sellers of British Colonies each day. Today I noticed that NYStamps lots are marked:
"This seller is currently away until Apr 15, 2020. If you make a purchase, there may be a delay in processing your order."
I imagine after the current listings clear that we won't be seeing any of their lots until mid-April. They post a huge number of items each week, so there will be a lot less for sale this coming month.
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beerwagen wrote:It is time to buy when nobody is buying.
...is the correct answer. :idea:

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My eBay auction sales seemed off on Sunday.

I'm not sure what the cause was, but I think I have a good idea: People were out panic-buying.
When I went to Tesco on Monday morning it looked like it had been ransacked by looters.

Of course, it didn't help that earlier in the weekend the UK Health Minister, Matt Hancock, had warned that the elderly would be required to self-isolate for the next 4 months.

How did he expect people to react?

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Was pondering if a was to lick gummed stamp/s stick on my ebay parcel being sent to the winning bidder, sent it (the parcel) via express post, it then arrives to you the purchaser in less that 24 hours.

You then soak these stamps off, what are the chances of contracting the virus, scarey when one thinks how easy this could be spread ....... just a thought, what do the rest of you think???? :roll:

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It does seem to have a great impact on the postal services.
I have not received any item from eBay for over two months now. This is largely due to a postal strike here in Greece and the Coronavirus has complicated the situation further.
According to the news media, many items and parcels have arrived but there's nobody to deliver the goods.
Many government departments have closed or work using skeleton staff so this does make things worse.
We have to be patient and hope that after a certain period if time all will be back to normal.

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pcbiss wrote:Was pondering if a was to lick gummed stamp/s stick on my ebay parcel being sent to the winning bidder, sent it (the parcel) via express post, it then arrives to you the purchaser in less that 24 hours.

You then soak these stamps off, what are the chances of contracting the virus, scarey when one thinks how easy this could be spread ....... just a thought, what do the rest of you think???? :roll:
Only an ebayer could come up with this. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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pcbiss wrote:Was pondering if a was to lick gummed stamp/s stick on my ebay parcel being sent to the winning bidder, sent it (the parcel) via express post, it then arrives to you the purchaser in less that 24 hours.

You then soak these stamps off, what are the chances of contracting the virus, scarey when one thinks how easy this could be spread ....... just a thought, what do the rest of you think???? :roll:
ViccyVFU wrote:Not one reported case of mail being the source yet, and that's because of ... well, the science.

The virus, outside a host, only lives a couple of days.

Meaning that unless someone in your country posted you an item first class, licked the envelope, and you had skin defects when opening it, you are extremely unlikely to catch anything that way.

If in doubt - receive the letter, don't open it for a couple of days, and use a letter opener and gloves. Wipedown all surface, afterwards.
Given how rare it is to see a stamp on a package nowadays, at least you'd die happy!!

In your scenario, "stop paying for express delivery .... it could kill you" :mrgreen: .

Statistically, you should be more concerned about fatal bee stings.

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pcbiss wrote:Was pondering if a was to lick gummed stamp/s stick on my ebay parcel being sent to the winning bidder, sent it (the parcel) via express post, it then arrives to you the purchaser in less that 24 hours.

You then soak these stamps off, what are the chances of contracting the virus, scarey when one thinks how easy this could be spread ....... just a thought, what do the rest of you think???? :roll:
Seriously? You hsve to be kidding, right? The chances of any parcel being delivered within 24 hours are very slim (at least in Australia).

To be on the safe side, don't kiss your postman! "Practise safe social distancing".

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pcbiss wrote:Was pondering if a was to lick gummed stamp/s stick on my ebay parcel being sent to the winning bidder, sent it (the parcel) via express post, it then arrives to you the purchaser in less that 24 hours.

You then soak these stamps off, what are the chances of contracting the virus, scarey when one thinks how easy this could be spread ....... just a thought, what do the rest of you think???? :roll:
Seriously? You hsve to be kidding, right? The chances of any parcel being delivered within 24 hours are very slim (at least in Australia).

To be on the safe side, don't kiss your postman! "Practise safe social distancing".

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Not even making a sale a day at the moment. Oh well, people have been hit with drought then bushfires then floods and now this. I thank my lucky stars that my family and friends are all safe.

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Of rather more concern than the risk of getting the virus off a stamp:

In Paris, under the lockdown anyone who wants to go out has to fill in an online form (and then print it out) to demonstrate that their trip is justified eg they need to buy some essential food.

I'm guessing this would not include a trip down to the PO to post eBay parcels.

But I expect postal services are going to be impacted in any case. A cousin who works in the PO in Australia just posted his concerns that large sorting rooms with 100+ employees might be a perfect place for large-scale transmission.

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joford-63 wrote:My Ebay sales slowed down a few weeks ago then dropped to virtually nil last week.

If only I was selling toilet paper!

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POP wrote:
joford-63 wrote:My Ebay sales slowed down a few weeks ago then dropped to virtually nil last week.

If only I was selling toilet paper!

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A member here had loo rolls listed at $50 START price this week.

The Bunnies of course were bidding it up and ebay pulled the sale totally.

As the PM says - this predatory stuff is just un-Australian. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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pcbiss wrote:Was pondering if a was to lick gummed stamp/s stick on my ebay parcel being sent to the winning bidder, sent it (the parcel) via express post, it then arrives to you the purchaser in less that 24 hours.

You then soak these stamps off, what are the chances of contracting the virus, scarey when one thinks how easy this could be spread ....... just a thought, what do the rest of you think???? :roll:
Have you ever been to a stamp fair?

You know, the ones where many of the customers only change their clothes on the first day of spring (whether they need to or not)?

Have you ever pondered what you might catch from rubbing shoulders with them? From sitting on the chair they've just vacated? From handling the display book they've just been looking at? From rummaging through the box of covers they've just been rummaging through?

The chances of catching this particular virus from the bit of slobber that oozed out from under this particular stamp on this particular cover on the day-after-the-day it was posted must be absolutely negligible.

But, if you do contract it in that way, please let me know. I'll invest Mrs-H's life-savings in lottery tickets that day... :roll:

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Was pondering if a was to lick gummed stamp/s stick on my ebay parcel being sent to the winning bidder, sent it (the parcel) via express post, it then arrives to you the purchaser in less that 24 hours.
The chances of the parcel arriving within 24 hours are negligible to zero
The chances of the parcel having stamps are negligible. Most likely will be a satchel
you then soak these stamps off
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Surely any responsible seller would not lick any stamps/handle any packages if they suspected there was a chance they had the virus.

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joford-63 wrote:Surely any responsible seller ......
And where would eBay find one of them ? :D

You should understand that a person may have the virus for up to around 15 days before any symptoms present, and they can shed viable infection "a couple of days before they even realise they are infected".

Its still a negligible risk, though.
Post people are still handling packages "without gloves".

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ViccyVFU wrote: Post people are still handling packages "without gloves".
Not here at Glen Stephens Rare Stamps Inc. No Sirrreeee. :idea: :idea: :idea:

All my 200 staff all wear these. Darn annoying for toilet breaks, but that is the current dire situation we are in.
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MUH stamps have not been responding well to this last bit sadly, and all orders consequently stuck to black stock cards is at your total risk - this ''crisis'' is not of MY making!

All mail is taken to PO in vans with sealed doors, which have been fumigated before each journey. Driving in those green suits is also a challenge, but we strive to met and exceed all current and future Federal Laws and guidelines. :mrgreen:

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Good time to buy stamps from Australia. The A$ has taken a bath and is US$0.58...

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... assuming of course that they will be delivered at some point in the future, but don't hold your breath waiting.

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erich wrote:Good time to buy stamps from Australia. The A$ has taken a bath and is US$0.58...
Was lower still yesterday. Has sunk like a stone in the past week.

A US member here was looking at a $A4,000 Postage Due today .... I worked out buying it now saved him $US300 over buying it last week - same stamp, same AUD price. True. :mrgreen:
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I'm expecting international shipping to take a while.

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Yes, will make selling via ebay into North America a bit tricky. Their legendary impatience could see more refunds for non delivery than usual.

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When I checked Friday the ONLY fight Aust/USA was a single United flight to SFO ... every other carrier had cancelled and that one UA one is likely to go.

Qantas and Virgin have cancelled EVERY flight, as has Delta, and Air Canada to YVR is about to go. .

USPS and AP mail goes via commercial carriers so "airmail'' is going to be a DISASTER for next 3 months. As Towadji outlines, most Americans expect deliveries Yesterday if not sooner - so there will be endless ''goods not received'' claims. Many genuine - and 1000s false. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Global Administrator wrote:USPS and AP mail goes via commercial carriers so "airmail'' is going to be a DISASTER for next 3 months. As Towadji outlines, most Americans expect deliveries Yesterday if not sooner - so there will be endless ''goods not received'' claims. Many genuine - and 1000s false. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I can't even pretend to know the numbers, and the profit/loss scenarios, but surely keeping one or so flights per week going purely for international mail and parcels from and to anywhere is potentially an achievable economic activity, even if it requires Government subsidies (given that there seem to be plenty of these going around at the moment).

It will keep some small businesses and small on line retailers functioning, using a special definition of the word "function", and surely cannot do a whole lot of harm, or result in any potential disease transmission.

I might be stupid, but to me it seems to be a very low risk no brainer.

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Norm to strip out existing galleys, loos and seats, the complex electronics of modern IFE, and interiors and floor coverings, and then add container freight tracks and swivel points, complex hydraulics, reinforced floors to carry that weight, and heavy duty anchors is a one off cost of MEGGGGGGGA millions a plane. And takes much time to do. And the same cost to undo it all. All for just a couple months freight.

There are of course dedicated freighter jets out there, designed for 100% container hauling, but they'll be booked solid I can bet. :idea:
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Google, see

Australia Post Coronavitus for latest deilvery details.

I wonder if going to the Post Office to post Ebay sales considered essential travel,

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David Benson wrote:I wonder if going to the Post Office to post Ebay sales considered essential travel
As long as there is something worthwhile in the package, you'll be fine.
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I see an embossed security pattern so obviously not PSE.
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Does it have a PSE NUMBBAHHHHHH GRADE???? I am not buying this nonsense.
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As well as the thin on the Penny Black, I'd be worried there might be some thins on that loo roll.

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Well the thin is clearly illustrated and clearly described - unlike most amateur ebay sellers, Empire Philatelics are PTS members. And hence have professionalism, and a Code of Ethics to abide by.

Stuart is a very nice guy ... we did a large figure stock swap last week. Nice to see SOMEONE has a sense of humour this week!

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My eBay sales have basically stopped. I was getting to the stage of selling 5 to 10 items a week and for the past 2 weeks I've only sold 1 item.

I've had discount offers from sellers to encourage me to buy but with the dollar so low the items have gone up a lot.

I don't know how slow the delivery will be to overseas but I've sent emails explaining that things will be slower than normal and to take that into account with expected delivery times.

Unexpected downturns and potentially unreliable income for many people close wallets. As others have said, often a good time to buy but with a low dollar that isn't so straight forward.
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I had an ebayer in England cancel my bids & his auctions early as the British Government's corona virus protocols did not allow him to get to the post office.
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BigSaint wrote:I had an ebayer in England cancel my bids & his auctions early as the British Government's corona virus protocols did not allow him to get to the post office.
I think they may be mistaken.

https://www.postoffice.co.uk/coronavirus

"The vast majority of Post Offices are open. Many are located in convenience stores, newsagents or stand-alone branches that are allowed to be open by the government. Customers are able to get cash, deposit cheques, pay bills as well as send and collect parcels. These are vital services, particularly for many vulnerable customers."

The debate is perhaps not whether or not they should be allowed to visit a PO, but whether or not they should be visiting a PO for what might be deemed "non-essential" mailings.
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Global Administrator wrote:Well the thin is clearly illustrated and clearly described - unlike most amateur ebay sellers, Empire Philatelics are PTS members. And hence have professionalism, and a Code of Ethics to abide by.

Stuart is a very nice guy ... we did a large figure stock swap last week. Nice to see SOMEONE has a sense of humour this week!

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Different dealer, Glen.

Empire Collectables is who has the 1d black/bog roll listing - a different firm to Empire Philatelists.

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