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Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 03 May 2020 23:11
by The Pom
Anyone care to hazard a guess at the age & provenance of this beauty?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Australia-GV-20sh-1-essay-or-tria ... 4163140793

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Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 03 May 2020 23:20
by Lakatoi 4
I haven’t got the words to describe what I’m thinking on this one so looking forward to the inevitable comments :D

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 03 May 2020 23:23
by dwhopper
China last week

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 03 May 2020 23:27
by Global Administrator
Age?

At least a month. The green ink did not even dry properly yet.

Provenance - that Eastern European ebay spiv who cranks out endless forged fantasy junk like this on cheap blotting paper, and then perforated with a blunt pin.

Please report this sale as FRAUD folks.

https://ocswf.ebay.co.uk/rti/compose?items=124163140793&seller=nsmnic3

This conman ebay seller nsmnic3 appears to have an army of shill bidder accounts, as not even ebay Bunnies could pay $1000+ for common Italian States fakes, that all allegedly sold - surprise, surprise he has many more offered now -

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Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 03 May 2020 23:29
by faro
Lakatoi 4 wrote:I haven’t got the words to describe what I’m thinking on this one so looking forward to the inevitable comments :D
I was going to say my thoughts on this are a bit fuzzy, too... (nm)


[edit] My fault for being diverted by their closed auctions: should've guessed there would be another few replies. :)

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 03 May 2020 23:36
by Allanswood
Cooke, Harrison and Mullet will be miffed that Ash got in soooo early.

Most helpfully, there is a nice scan, clearly showing the laser "grain".

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 03 May 2020 23:38
by Lakatoi 4
Mmmm where to start on this one, oh wait, it’s already been said in posts above.

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 04 May 2020 00:18
by HalfpennyYellow
It's a fantasy stamp by Scott Visnjic of Changhua City, Taiwan.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=81842

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 04 May 2020 05:26
by erich
2 days old, from an inkjet printer?

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 04 May 2020 13:13
by prtnz17
Well someone paid £321 hard earned for it.

Peter

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 04 May 2020 21:06
by stallzer
Aren't you curious about the back stamp? Is it the creator's mark?

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 04 May 2020 22:00
by Lakatoi 4
prtnz17 wrote:Well someone paid £321 hard earned for it.

Peter
More fool them :!:

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 14 May 2020 23:12
by Catweazle
Now listen here, folks.

I'm far from an expert. I've had the odd stamp I asked about around here and discovered it was forged or what not.

And you have to give it to this chap for a stunning design.

But even my useless, uneducated, inexperienced eyes don't need much convincing that there is something up with that paper.

And I laugh. :lol:

I reckon it might look somewhat fraudulent. It might even feel somewhat fraudulent to the guy who sniped it on eBay. But don't let that fool you. 'Cause it really might be a dud! :wink:

By the way – odd's fish, don't you think but here it is again from a different seller for a premium:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Australia-GV-20sh-1-essay-or-tria ... 4592520080

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 15 May 2020 05:56
by faro
Catweazle wrote:By the way – odd's fish, don't you think but here it is again from a different seller for a premium: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Australia-GV-20sh-1-essay-or-trial-for-the-Kangaroo-issue-MNG-RARE-IT/254592520080?hash=item3b46e58f90:g:OOwAAOSwMkRer7rF
Good spot.

Identical pictures to the first sale. Now on sale in Oz. Being sold... as there's apparently a bid. :shock:

According to eBay the seller the first time around (in the UK) gave positive feedback to the buyer (c***g) - unfortunately no other feedbacks for them.

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 15 May 2020 07:21
by The Pom
Well spotted.

For the record, the new seller is j.j.raison

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Impressive, as stated earlier, that John Ash was appearing on essays for the 1913 Roos when he didn't even arrive in Australia till 1927.

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 15 May 2020 07:45
by Wolfgang
In the moment I am saving money - hoping there appears a gutterpair for my collection!

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 15 May 2020 22:51
by The Pom
The winning bidder on the initial sale has a feedback rating of:
4***k (392 feedback score: 392) £321.00 3 May 2020 at 11:46:04 AM BST
Yet the current seller has a feedback rating of 1464.

Maybe a different ID for buying?

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 16 May 2020 00:39
by fchd
Reported to Ebay as a forgery.

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 16 May 2020 06:10
by HalfpennyYellow
From the original source the whole set sold for $12.50:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/402213868412

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 16 May 2020 13:24
by erich
I would guess the "Forgery" handstamp on the back washes off with the gum, explaining why these reoffers are MNG.

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 16 May 2020 16:26
by David Smitham
Initially, when I saw the headline I thought that a Kangaroo was on trial! Obviously it was in a kangaroo court (as can only be found in Australia) but then I wondered what the £320 was about ... as it had been caught stealing money in Britain! That is why I thought the heading was wrong (with 3 hours to go, do kangaroo court trials take even this long)!!

Obviously, the poor old kanga had been caught out and it was plastered on a stamp for its sins. It has now made headlines on Stampboards for all the wrong reasons! At least this kangaroo appears to have escaped the recent bush fires, sadly, which is where it belonged.

David.

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 16 May 2020 18:25
by Global Administrator
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The true ebay BAAAGHGRIEEN HUNTAAARHS can buy this for $5 -

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 17 May 2020 15:17
by Catweazle
Global Administrator wrote:
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The true ebay BAAAGHGRIEEN HUNTAAARHS can buy this for $5 -
Instant dreamer re-seller dream! :lol:

Re: Australian Roo Trial on ebay - £320 & 3 hours to go

Posted: 17 May 2020 19:19
by maszki
The Pom wrote:The winning bidder on the initial sale has a feedback rating of:
4***k (392 feedback score: 392) £321.00 3 May 2020 at 11:46:04 AM BST
Yet the current seller has a feedback rating of 1464.

Maybe a different ID for buying?
Looking at these feedback figures should prompt the question..Are postal forgeries a business opportunity?

Our Administrator thinks so...."I bought the only other example known of this Tasmania 1892 £1 Tablet stamp Sperati Forgery at the Sotheby’s Gawaine Baillie Auction in 2007. It was one of the new USED stamps in his £20 million collection, and many of them had been not seen for many decades. That stamp with genuine Launceston Duplex cancel is shown below. With the reverse of the Baillie stamp, showing the numbered BPA “Sperati Reproduction” horseshoe violet handstamp, and is signed on reverse in pencil by Jean Sperati" https://www.glenstephens.com/sperati.html

The original (creator?) of this item identified in an earlier post as Scottvisnjic has a positive feedback of 4434 over the last 12 months (https://www.ebay.com.au/usr/scottvisnjic) and currently has many reproduction stamps/sets on offer.

Somewhere between his original sale and this latest offering the word 'reproduction' has been 'accidently' deleted.

I have difficulty accepting that a seller with a feedback of 1464 would do this deliberately, but...…

So does the person who purchased it collect forgeries and therefore think that it is money well spent- an investment in the belief that one day Scottvisnjic reproductions will be the Sperati of the 21st century?

It's not as if Scottvisnjic has the market all to himself...the Maryland forger also believes that there is a market for forgeries https://www.ebay.com.au/b/Replica-Reproduction-Forgery-Stamps/139792/bn_7208420