Music related Copyright royalty tax stamps - Revenue stamps?

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Re: Music related Copyright royalty tax stamps - Revenue stamps?

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adam78 wrote:
25 Jan 2021 07:14
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But then I had a closer look at the 2 of 2 ⅝d stamps. There's already an entry for 2 ⅝d, 'value typewritten in black' on reddish violet, date range 1918-30, so I'd put them in that set, Set 013.

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However, the detail is in the dot! There are 2 variants for this type, Type 1a and 1b. There is a subtle difference in the writing of "design" (too subtle for me) , a difference in the position of the D in Design, and a difference in the position of the dot after the N in Design.
All the current values in Set 013 are Type 1a: 'Dot further away from the N' and D of Design under 1 arc'.
However, the 2 ⅝d stamps have the dot very close to the N and the D is between the arcs, making these Types 1b, so these are new ones within the 013 Set, I think...

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I suspect the answer lies in the perf measurement. I'd think you have examples from the later set 073 which has a variety of perfs but none are the earlier perf 12 which the rest of your collection appear to be. Have you picked up a perf guage yet?
Their brighter colour is also a guide.
These may be perf 10¼ (073A) or 11 (073B). I'm also assuming the roll they came off is a later one, hopefully post-WW2. Still an unrecorded value nonetheless.
Ha, you are right of course Adam! I was so focused on dots and Ds I never stopped to check the perfs. I have a perf gauge now, and they do indeed measure 11. At least they are an unrecorded value so I'm not blushing too much.

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OK, here's a nice simple one which I can confidently (?) claim as a new find for the Peter Maurice Music Co.
Set 010 has the value printed in red, and the only other set, Set 023, has the value typewritten in black, so this 1 ½d value in manuscript is new. In fact I'm pretty sure this is a new set.

Peter Maurice Music Co.  1 ½d value in manuscript
Peter Maurice Music Co. 1 ½d value in manuscript


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Iain P wrote:
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OK, here's a nice simple one which I can confidently (?) claim as a new find for the Peter Maurice Music Co.
Set 010 has the value printed in red, and the only other set, Set 023, has the value typewritten in black, so this 1 ½d value in manuscript is new. In fact I'm pretty sure this is a new set.

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Yup, type 1, new set 011 Value in M/S. Keep up the good work!
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adam78 wrote:
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Iain P wrote:
25 Jan 2021 08:41
OK, here's a nice simple one which I can confidently (?) claim as a new find for the Peter Maurice Music Co.
Set 010 has the value printed in red, and the only other set, Set 023, has the value typewritten in black, so this 1 ½d value in manuscript is new. In fact I'm pretty sure this is a new set.

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Yup, type 1, new set 011 Value in M/S. Keep up the good work!
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Thank you Adam, it's the successes like this that keep me going :D
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How marvellous! I have 5 stamps from the British copyright agency Copyrights Limited, all taken from Pianola rolls, and 4 of them are new finds.

First up is the 2d from Set 021 (1913-14) Type 2, manuscript in black.
"Stamps on Music" has the 2d listed.

Copyrights Limited stamp 2d
Copyrights Limited stamp 2d


But this 2 ¼d is new:

Copyrights Limited stamp 2 ¼d
Copyrights Limited stamp 2 ¼d


And this 4d is new, as well as the value being rotated to the left:

Copyrights Limited stamp  4 d
Copyrights Limited stamp 4 d


The 4th stamp is yet another new one.
At first I thought it was perhaps a rotated 'rubbed' 4d, but looking at the scan close up, I see I was initially confused by the small green dot in the centre of the circle, which all of this set have. It's clearly a '7', making it, I think, the highest value of any of the Copyrights stamps so far seen. This places it in Set 022 (1913-14) Type 2, Value stamped in violet.
It looks more blue here than violet, presumably because it is so faded:

Copyrights Limited stamp 7d
Copyrights Limited stamp 7d


I initially thought that the last one belongs to Set 050 (1916-18) Type 4b, typeset in black.
With a typed value of 5 ¼d it's a new one, as the only other 5 ¼d I can see listed in the catalogue is for a value written in manuscript. However Set 050 Type b is for typeset values, whereas this one is typewritten, and is in a different font than the example for 2b given on the catalogue. Perhaps it's a new subset of Set 50, or even a new Set?

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Copyrights Limited stamp 5 ¼d


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All good new finds. There's a lot of the UK sets that stop at around 3d in the catalogue so there's plenty of scope for extra higher value items off pianola rolls.

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Excellent! The UK Lockdown means I'm not allowed to pick up the next 90 Pianola rolls, all with stamps on, until March or even April, but I still have plenty more to go through here.
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Continuing listing examples of the J. Albert & Son stamps, by the catalogue order.
All type 4a.
These two around 1926, perf 11.
Set 072 1¼d handstamped
Set 072 1¼d handstamped
Set 073 1/- typewritten
Set 073 1/- typewritten


This set 1927-30, perf 10.
Set 080 1¼d
Set 080 1¼d
Set 080 1¼d small "d"
Set 080 1¼d small "d"
Set 080 1½d
Set 080 1½d
Set 080 1½d small "d"
Set 080 1½d small "d"
Set 080 8d (perf 10x11)
Set 080 8d (perf 10x11)

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J. Abert & Son continued.


1929-32.
Set 090, type 4a, perf 10 (unless noted), chalk-surfaced, serif font.
Set 090 ¾d
Set 090 ¾d
Set 090 1d
Set 090 1d
Set 090 1¼d
Set 090 1¼d
Set 090 2d
Set 090 2d
Set 090 2½d
Set 090 2½d
Set 090 3½d
Set 090 3½d
Set 090 3½d (a) in black, perf 11, unsurfaced
Set 090 3½d (a) in black, perf 11, unsurfaced
Set 090 6d (ex pianola rolls)
Set 090 6d (ex pianola rolls)
Set 090 8d (ex pianola rolls)
Set 090 8d (ex pianola rolls)
Set 090 8d (a) perf 11
Set 090 8d (a) perf 11
Set 080 8d (c) in black
Set 080 8d (c) in black
Set 090 "A" (for Australia)
Set 090 "A" (for Australia)

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