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GB 24p Machin stamp POSTAL FORGERY in MUH blocks. As low as $A4 each.
GB 24p Machin stamp 1993 POSTAL FORGERY in MUH blocks. $A4 or $US3.15 each.
I bought a few sheets of these 25 years back when they first surfaced in the UK, sold to Indian, and similar family owned small corner stores and supermarkets, who retailed stamps for mailing letters.

These were the FIRST Postal Forgeries ever to appear in the UK for over a Century, since the QV 1/- "Stock Exchange Forgeries" of the early 1870s. SG lists those forgeries between £850-£4,000 EACH used.

A UK dealer Bushell & Wright, was too literally scared to offer them in the UK in case Scotland Yard paid him a visit, so he did a deal with me, and I sold them here for about $A40-$50 per stamp as I recall. Sterling was was VERY high back then of course, and UK retail was £20 which was about $A45 then.

He got a Solicitor's written opinion that him owning or selling these above face value created no offence under British Law. I can enclose a copy of that letter to all buyers who ask for it. :)

Just as well - the forgers were caught and got prison sentences of up to 12 years each - see detail below.

Stanley Gibbons notes these Machin Postal Forgeries SG Cat X969, in the "Concise" catalogue -
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UK dealers currently sell blocks of 8 of these same stamps for £77.50 (~$A150) or near $A20 apiece - and they charge high postage on top to oz, as you can see -

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/1993-SG-X969-24p-chestnut-FORGERY-UNMOUNTED-MINT-/300474355627

1. MUH Block 4 at around HALF the UK dealer price - $A40 (Stock 619TM)
2. MUH Block 6 around 40% the UK dealer price - $A50 (Stock 619TN)
3. MUH Block 8 at 35% the UK dealer - $A55 (Stock 619TP)
4. MUH block 9 at 30% UK dealer price - $A60 (Stock 619TW)
5. MUH block 10 at 30% UK dealer price - $A65 (Stock 619TQ)
6. MUH block 15 at UNDER 30% UK dealer price - $A80 (Stock 619TX)
7. MUH Block of 20 at 25% of UK dealer price - $A100 (Stock 619TR)
8. I have one even larger block on hand at $A4 ($US3.15!) a stamp, if anyone is interested in breaking it down on ebay etc for an ever far greater profit. (Stock 619TZ)
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Keep a single or block of 4 for yourself from the above lots, and sell the others on ebay etc, to get yours FREE! You may even come out in front money wise, and keep yours free. :idea:
Global TRACKED airpost is $A4 extra on any of the above.
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From the "Connoisseur" Machin catalogue "Bible" -
In May/June 1993, copies of a forgery of the 24p brown Machin, then the first class value, started to appear on commercial mail.

These forgeries were clearly designed to defraud the Royal Mail of revenue and apparently became available through very small retail outlets, such as newsagents, corner shops, etc.

The change in Royal Mail policy of allowing almost any type of retailer to offer postage stamps enabled the forgers the opportunity to offer their “stamps” at a greater discount than was obtainable through the Royal Mail retail units, and unsurprisingly, and unknowing of their status, shopkeepers took the opportunity to make a little more profit than usual.

The forgeries were produced by offset litho and the image is convincing enough to pass as the genuine item to the unsuspecting.

Despite the wide philatelic interest in this item, it must be stressed that it is strictly illegal to use these forgeries to prepay postage.

Soon after their discovery mint copies were circulating amongst collectors with a retail price of £20.00, and philatelically produced covers bearing one genuine 24p and one forgery were selling for £40.00. These covers are usually cancelled by a 1994 slogan postmark and bear no address, having had an address label removed by the producer (presumably to avoid incrimination).

Examples used on genuine commercial covers, prior to the 1st November 1993 rate rise, are rare and fetch prices from £100 upwards

© Connoisseur Publications 2008 • https://www.connoisseurcatalogue.net • v11/4.03W 4/7

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And similar information From the © Deegam Machin catalog

24p rust brown Machin

In the Summer of 1993. shortly after the first edition of this Handbook went to press, forged copies of the 24p rust (prepaying the then basic 1st - class inland letter rate) began to appear on mail posted in London and Essex.

Later, mint examples were purchased from London newsagents who, it is said, bought them for 20p each. This is a greater discount than the 5% then obtainable under Royal Mail's policy to sell window books of stamps through retail outlets.

The colour of the forgeries is an excellent match with that of genuine stamps. However, there are several features which make them easily seen for what they are.

Most obvious to collectors is the use of perforation gauge 11 instead of the normal 14 or 15, making it noticeably different from that used on genuine stamps.

The perforater exhibits another characteristic which has never been seen an any Machin stamp; it is a line machine, not a comb or rotary one. as can be seen by the irregular intersections of the holes.

Another feature differentiating mint examples of the forgeries from genuine Stamps is the gum, which is very thin and shiny, with no green or blue dye. It does not appear to be gum arabic since there is no 'crazy paving' appearance under magnification and this product is in any case quite expensive.

It maybe a variant of Polyvinyl acetate (PVAc). The stamps were printed by lithography, and it seems that a genuine half-sheet of 100 stamps was used by the forgers as their 'artwork'.

Sales of mint copies of this stamp on eBay sometimes have been accompanied by a photocopy of a letter from a Sherbome, Dorset, solicitor stating that "on the basis that there is no intention to use the stamps for sending letters there is no criminality whatsoever attached to your holding the stamps and there is no restriction whatsoever in your dealing with these in the course of your stamp collecting business'.

The gang of forgers, nicknamed The Lavender Hill Mob by police. were identified and brought to trial at Winchester Crown Court in January 2000 charged with forging stamps and banknotes.

The leader of the "mob' was Kenneth Mainstone of Upminster, Essex who was sentenced to 12 years imprisonment. Three confederates got from three to eight years. A fourth was convicted but died of cancer before being sentenced.

There can be little doubt that Royal Mail's use of retail outlets for the sale of stamps prompted the forgers to distribute their product through the same channels.


The Mint blocks I am selling of these 24p Machin stamp forgeries, all come with this copy of the Solicitor letter to the UK dealers Bushell and Wright who sold them to me.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=40863

Despite the letter indicating he was "probably" legally covered, he was still too nervous of Royal Mail Police, and/or Scotland Yard pouncing, and sold them all to me, rather than risk a knock of the door at 5am from The Bill. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Most folks add the letter to their collection.

Glen
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One block of four sold to me.
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Marty. Block of 10 Thanks

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Block of 10 sold to me and paid by Dan.

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All the above mailed off folks - more on hand if any members need these. :mrgreen:

Single current Machins from Kiloware are getting $A325 each on ebay as I report below, so Machins are back in the news BIG time! -

http://www.glenstephens.com/snnovember12.html

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Received my block today. Thanks Glen!
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This post is for interest only and, when I had been researching fakes and forgeries, I came across this piece of legislation which obviously only applies to the UK.

Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981:
s5(5)(c) specifically includes 'United Kingdom postage stamps'.

Knowingly having them in your possession without lawful authority is a criminal offence.

Source : legislation.gov.uk

Although there have been amendments to this Act, none affect the section concerning postage stamps.

Like the UK legislation on copied CD's etc for personal use, I doubt if any enforcing action would be taken.

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scotzm wrote:This post is for interest only and, when I had been researching fakes and forgeries, I came across this piece of legislation which obviously only applies to the UK.

Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981:
s5(5)(c) specifically includes 'United Kingdom postage stamps'.

Knowingly having them in your possession without lawful authority is a criminal offence.

Source : legislation.gov.uk

Although there have been amendments to this Act, none affect the section concerning postage stamps.

Like the UK legislation on copied CD's etc for personal use, I doubt if any enforcing action would be taken.
Lawful authority being engaged in the act of stamp dealing :)
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Yes paying miles over face for £2.4 of potential postage from an established postage stamp dealer is "lawful authority" as you have a receipt you bought them as a philatelic collectible or curio.

Anyway, all this chit chat is contrary to rule #5 of the Sales Forum, which is for folks to type "SOLD", or it clogs the forum so let's remind ourselves of that rule please -

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SOLD - 619TQ (block of ten)

I've placed the order and arranged direct deposit which should be with you on Wednesday morning.

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I somehow ended up with a fresh MUH block of 15 -- 3 rows of 5.

Can do that for $A90 just to clear it, as a strip of 5 will be hard to sell. Code 619TL

Sell off the block 9 on ebay for $90 (WAY under the dealer price below, and this is far better centred too!) and the block of 6 worth $50 is yours to keep totally free. :)

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UK dealers currently sell blocks of 8 of these same stamps for £77.50 (~$A165) or over $A20 apiece - and they charge $A20 postage on top to oz, as you can see -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-SG-X969-24p-chestnut-FORGERY-UNMOUNTED-MINT-/300474355627

1. MUH Block 4 at way under UK dealer price - $A40 (Code 619TM)
2. MUH Block 6 under half the UK dealer price - $A50 (Code 619TN)
3. MUH Block 8 at way under half the UK dealer - $A60 (Code 619TP)
4. MUH block 10 at near a third of UK dealer price - $A70 (Code 619TQ)
5. MUH Block of 20 at well under $A6 each - $A110 (Code 619TR)


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Sold to me.

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Sold! (Not sure what offer you wanted Darrin.)

All payment details are on - http://www.glenstephens.com/payment.html

Call it "Machin fakes : Stock 619T*" (add relevant full order code as above) and please order SECURELY via:

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Sorry,

That last post you made about the block of 15 ($90).

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Found a block 10 and block 20 in old stock today, at about ONE THIRD of UK dealer prices for blocks. :D
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Glen,

How much for the entire block of 20 and 10. I'm interested in both or either. Thanks
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Barry I do have this block of 30 fresh NH, with a natural gum skip on a lower stamp.

That is $A150 if anyone can use it - Stock 619TX - near enough to just $US100 right now!

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Sold to me. PayPal Incoming. Thanks Glen.
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Still have a couple of 24p Machin stamp forgery blocks of these on hand. :)

WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY under UK dealer price. :mrgreen:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1993-SG-X969-24p-chestnut-FORGERY-UNMOUNTED-MINT-/300474355627
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I would be interested in a block of 4 if you have one.
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Aerial - yep please complete order form - :)

1. MUH Block 4 at way under HALF UK dealer price - $A40 (Code 619TM)

Call it - "24p Machin Stamp Forgery" - please order via new HTTPS encrypted SECURE site - http://tinyurl.com/GlenOrder

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Thanks Glen, order placed and payment made.
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order placed, thanks Glen

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Received, great item, thanks Glen!

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Thanks - a few blocks still in stock. UK dealer price still $150 a block of 8, and MY stock is a FRACTION of that and comes with the UK Solicitor letter. 8) 8)

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/1993-SG-X969-24p-chestnut-FORGERY-UNMOUNTED-MINT-/300474355627

These were the FIRST Postal Forgeries ever to appear in the UK for over a Century, since the QV 1/- "Stock Exchange Forgeries" of the early 1870s. SG lists those forgeries between £850-£4,000 EACH used. Mine are $A4 apiece! :!: :!:
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