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Well, as I just stated in the 'thread of the month' thread, thanks again for everyone's help.

I've gotten kind of bogged down with work over the last month or so, but I will be updating this thread shortly. I'm now looking for the last visible stamp in that scene, & I'll be posting some additional reference material (along with some personal opinions) to see if I (we?) can I.D. that last illusive stamp.

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On a related note this is SUPERB movie marketing, along these lines above -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21310

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Ok, wizards, wizardesses and all-round knowledgeable people, here's another, similar, quest.

I just got this Doctor Who picture in an email.

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and here's the question:
I know this is possibly a bit out of the ordinary but, I'm attempting to recreate a prop envelope from the latest series of Dr Who and I really need some help, I unfortunately know little to nothing about stamps. There are five I am having difficulty with.
I know there is a 2nd, 1st and 1st recorded on there as well as a recorded delivery barcode but I was just wondering if you would be willing to help me out with the others, or if you could confirm that they are what I presume and were made up for the programme.
In fact there is one 2nd class, one 1st class, and one Recorded Signed For Machin (the yellow and orange one), and the bar-code label is Special Delivery not recorded. That would mean quite a high value.

The Machins are wrong in having wavy line cancels on a Special Delivery item, suggesting that this has been made up from used stamps. None of the others, with the possible exception of the dark blue one at top centre, is British.

The large orangey one looks familiar, the lowest one looks like one of the Kenya shell definitives. We can't do any better than this - HD from the tv doesn't equate to Hi-res on here!

So..... what can you tell me?
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Went through the whole post and got the sensation of winning the treasure hunt competition of my school days...Great work On0r74.. But the job is half done... The other stamp is still unidentified..

And for someone with OCD like me :roll: , I think it will give sleepless night :cry:
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First thought for the orange stamp is Czech space issue, but I'll be darned if I can get any more specific. I'm in a hotel room waiting for tomorrow's show, so I may have some time on my hands to Google search....... :roll:
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The orange one is a 1964 over print of a 1963 Albanian stamp from the International Space Exhibition in Riccione.

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I sent the email in the first place, thanks to librarianc's Czech spaceflight idea I suddenly realised it was Sputnik. Joined in to save anyone looking for that one.
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Ian:

The beige one at the bottom is a Machin; a 16p, IIRC?

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youngpaddy1 wrote:The orange one is a 1964 over print of a 1963 Albanian stamp from the International Space Exhibition in Riccione.
Nice work. :) Saves us all from flipping through hundreds of catalogue pages of thematic wallpaper. :mrgreen:

But the stamp on the cover is the original stamp without the overprint is it not, I can't see the overprint in the screen capture.

As for the bottom one, it resembles a USA stamp to me, one of the 'greetings' types stamps, a bunch of flowers...ah but the black line at the bottom of the stamp is probably the country name, and its too long to say 'USA'; the Kenya shell defins are a possibility, but the image doesn't appear 'solid' enough to be a shell.
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just grabbed this slightly darker and more blurry image, but you can just make out the over printing mixed in with the post office's own brand of goodness.

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jugoslavija_post wrote:Ian:

The beige one at the bottom is a Machin; a 16p, IIRC?
Well spotted - when you know what to look for it jumps out; but I think it's an early 50p value.
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I was wondering about the special delivery label, shouldn't it say Royal Mail in the top left?
Thanks again for the help so far.

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youngpaddy1 wrote:I was wondering about the special delivery label, shouldn't it say Royal Mail in the top left?
Thanks again for the help so far.
I just checked and the one I looked at does, but there are many variations and it would not be surprising if they forgot on one printing. Royal Mail is in red so may not show up as clearly.
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I know this might be redundant but I got this from a fellow paper prop maker, it's significantly clearer than my poor efforts.

It's amazing how much the postmarks affect the look of the artwork.
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Well, the one to the right of the label now looks like the grey-blue Machin, either 14p or 17p I think.

That dark blue one next to it looks really odd.
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I'm not sure about the one to the right of the label, it appears too narrow and has a squared block of text that looks like the american pricing system to me. The odd one down by the drab machin could be anything from George Washington to Windmills. Got something else to worry at now though.

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I reckon the top right one is a zazzle but I've no idea about the rest apart from maybe some par avions at the top centre.
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norvic wrote:That dark blue one next to it looks really odd.
The white blob reminds me of a recent US stamp, showing a polar bear, for postcard rate maybe? But the background is in a light colour, not dark like that.
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The grey stamp beside the Special Delivery label looks like another stamp from this drab set.
youngpaddy1 wrote:I think the one bottom right under sputnik on the first envelope is this.

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On0r74 wrote:And look what showed up in the mail for me today:

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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I really enjoyed reading this thread from the beginning.
On0r74, you really made some effort to identify the stamp. Good. Congrats.
And may I submit that I was overjoyed to discover this beauty in my collection :

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Very interesting thread - is this a whole new line for the hobby?!

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A most entertaining thread. Glad I finally got to stumble across it.

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Hello again everyone!

It's been a little over 2 years since I started this thread. School, loss of a job, start of a new job, & life in general, has been monopolizing the lion's share of my free time until just recently. I hope everyone is well.

But I never forgot a small piece of business that I felt was left undone; my feelings mirrored in drvvr's post below:
drvvr wrote:Went through the whole post and got the sensation of winning the treasure hunt competition of my school days...Great work On0r74.. But the job is half done... The other stamp is still unidentified..

And for someone with OCD like me :roll: , I think it will give sleepless night :cry:
Of course, referring to the final unidentified postage stamp in the upper right portion of this screencap from the movie The Hunted:

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I've kept this photo on my PC desktop, opening it from time to time & just staring at it, to see if any new features happen to jump out at me.

TODAY, I'm fairly confident I've solved the mystery. This was made MUCH more difficult since: 1.) the mystery stamp is more out-of-focus than the other stamps in the scene, 2.) it's turned at a sideways/45-degree angle to the camera, and 3.) the visible graphics on the stamp are far more ambiguous than any of the others.

Anyway, while staring at the screencap, I decided to run it through some graphics software to try & enhance some of the colors/detail. First I noticed that the black circular mark in the upper left quadrant of the stamp was likely not a part of the stamp, but part of the cancellation mark (as there was a very similar mark to the left of the stamp, but still within the cancellation mark. I also started to wonder if the wording across the bottom of the cancellation might have said: "Philippines":

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So I went back on FreeStampCatalogue.com, again using 'country' as the search criteria. About halfway through, I stumbled upon a stamp that I feel is a STRONG contender for this specimen.

To try & "nail the coffin shut" on this mystery, first I took the screencap from above, & using the graphics software, I rotated the stamp clockwise, & then straightened the perspective to try & achieve a straight-on view (keep in mind that some of the angles may be wonky due to the photoshopping, combined with the fact that the on-screen stamp is very weathered/wrinkled).

THEN I increased the color contrast to try & bring out more detail.

AFTER THAT, I took the photo of my candidate stamp, & blurred the focus using the software, & increased the color contrast. The original untouched stamp photo appears at the bottom. For me, there are just too many similarities for this not to be the right stamp. For instance:

1.) There are dark patches on the screencap, corresponding to the "PILIPINAS" designation, the "20.00" denomination, & the "PASSENGER SHIP" written down the right-side of the original stamp.
2.) The cloud/sky patterns/colors seem to match from screencap to original (light/dark/light/dark/light/dark), as well as the cabin portion of the vessel, along with the taller features on the ship (top-center & to the right towards the bow).
3.) There are darker colors in the ocean on the left-side, & lighter colors in the ocean on the right in both specimens.
4.) There is a mustard-colored frame around the stamp photo, that appears to also be present on the screen-used stamp.

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Initially, the red lines on the ship concerned me (since it is not visible on the screen-used piece), BUT when I blurred the original stamp, the red lines virtually disappeared.

SO, what say you, educated stamp aficionados? CASE CLOSED? (I may have just dated myself here :oops:)

Thanks for reading,
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That's pretty b****y amazing - well done!
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On0r74 wrote: SO, what say you, educated stamp aficionados? CASE CLOSED? (I may have just dated myself here :oops:)

Thanks for reading,
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norvic wrote:That's pretty b****y amazing - well done!
birder wrote:Simply Fantastic... great stuff.
So can I take it from ^these^ responses that you both concur with my conclusion about the last stamp? :wink: Anyone else think I have it right (or wrong)?

And to birder, I'm sorry I missed this post from you:
birder wrote:I really enjoyed reading this thread from the beginning.
On0r74, you really made some effort to identify the stamp. Good. Congrats.
And may I submit that I was overjoyed to discover this beauty in my collection :

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This stamp, I believe is from 1918. All the best in your future endeavours. Do keep us posted.

Thanks and regards.
I had assumed, from the multiple dates on my original mystery stamp, that it was some form of commemorative edition, but it didn't even occur to me that the main subject was an earlier stamp. That's a gorgeous specimen. And very interesting info, thanks!

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On0r74,

Genius!!! 110% correct I'd say (using a favourite "Glen-ism") 8) 8) 8) 8)

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Great thread! I hadn't expect that the last mystery stamp would be recognized, so I was quite in a shock when reading the last posts :shock:
I would like to see the faces of the people who made this film after seeing this... :wink:

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On0r74 wrote:Image

The American flag stamp is of U.S. origin (not sure I really needed to specify that, but I like to be thorough), & issued in 1999.
Small update, got this in the mail today:

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Aaannnnd the set that contains this:
On0r74 wrote:Image

...the Rugby stamp is British (you can see the "LONDON" cancellation mark on the on-screen stamp), with a 1995 issue date.
...arrived in the mail today:

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And, last but not least, today I received a parcel from overseas, containing:

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...more importantly:

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And so, FIN.

Thanks for looking, & thanks EVERYONE again, for all the help.

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On0r74 wrote:
I've kept this photo on my PC desktop, opening it from time to time & just staring at it, to see if any new features happen to jump out at me.

TODAY, I'm fairly confident I've solved the mystery. This was made MUCH more difficult since: 1.) the mystery stamp is more out-of-focus than the other stamps in the scene, 2.) it's turned at a sideways/45-degree angle to the camera, and 3.) the visible graphics on the stamp are far more ambiguous than any of the others.

Anyway, while staring at the screencap, I decided to run it through some graphics software to try & enhance some of the colors/detail. First I noticed that the black circular mark in the upper left quadrant of the stamp was likely not a part of the stamp, but part of the cancellation mark (as there was a very similar mark to the left of the stamp, but still within the cancellation mark. I also started to wonder if the wording across the bottom of the cancellation might have said: "Philippines":

Image

So I went back on FreeStampCatalogue.com, again using 'country' as the search criteria. About halfway through, I stumbled upon a stamp that I feel is a STRONG contender for this specimen.

To try & "nail the coffin shut" on this mystery, first I took the screencap from above, & using the graphics software, I rotated the stamp clockwise, & then straightened the perspective to try & achieve a straight-on view (keep in mind that some of the angles may be wonky due to the photoshopping, combined with the fact that the on-screen stamp is very weathered/wrinkled).

THEN I increased the color contrast to try & bring out more detail.

AFTER THAT, I took the photo of my candidate stamp, & blurred the focus using the software, & increased the color contrast. The original untouched stamp photo appears at the bottom. For me, there are just too many similarities for this not to be the right stamp. For instance:

1.) There are dark patches on the screencap, corresponding to the "PILIPINAS" designation, the "20.00" denomination, & the "PASSENGER SHIP" written down the right-side of the original stamp.
2.) The cloud/sky patterns/colors seem to match from screencap to original (light/dark/light/dark/light/dark), as well as the cabin portion of the vessel, along with the taller features on the ship (top-center & to the right towards the bow).
3.) There are darker colors in the ocean on the left-side, & lighter colors in the ocean on the right in both specimens.
4.) There is a mustard-colored frame around the stamp photo, that appears to also be present on the screen-used stamp.

Image

Initially, the red lines on the ship concerned me (since it is not visible on the screen-used piece), BUT when I blurred the original stamp, the red lines virtually disappeared.

SO, what say you, educated stamp aficionados? CASE CLOSED? (I may have just dated myself here :oops:)

Thanks for reading,
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On0r74 wrote:Aaannnnd the set that contains this:
On0r74 wrote:Image

...the Rugby stamp is British (you can see the "LONDON" cancellation mark on the on-screen stamp), with a 1995 issue date.
...arrived in the mail today:

Image Image

8) 8)
Sadly the props department chose the cheapest (inland) rate stamp for a letter to Canada :?
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norvic wrote:
On0r74 wrote:Aaannnnd the set that contains this:
On0r74 wrote:Image

...the Rugby stamp is British (you can see the "LONDON" cancellation mark on the on-screen stamp), with a 1995 issue date.
...arrived in the mail today:

Image Image

8) 8)
Sadly the props department chose the cheapest (inland) rate stamp for a letter to Canada :?
Budget cuts! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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