Swiss 1949 Technik and Landschaft Issues

[Banshaboy]

The Scott catalogue for the 20c lists 2 types. (Sc 332 Type 1,2)
The Zumstein catalogue lists 4 types.(Zu 301, 301A, 301AR and 301A.201)
The Zumstein catalogue is in German/French.
Which curved rocks are they speaking about ?
Why is there no indicator arrow used ?
Any help would be appreciated as my translation skills need work.

[AKPhilately]

Okay, here goes:



Don't know if your Zumstein shows these pictures, but mine does and they should make it pretty clear.

Type 301 shows the road to a building. To the left of the building you'll find your curved rocks (look a bit like spouting waterfalls as well). Between the top of that curved rock and the land above it you'll find three lines of water.

Type 301A has only two lines of water there.

Type 301A/RM also only has two lines, but if you look closely above the 2 of 20, you'll find that the cross hatching just above it does not extend as far as on type 301A.

301A.2.01 is a double entry, a bit like a double printing. It is a variety and not a type as such.

Also (but this is not conclusive I believe) Type 301 has no bottom line on the building, whereas the other two types do have one. This is normaly the only distinction made, so I suppose (not having one) that Scott makes only this distinction.

Hope this clears it up for you a bit?

[Banshaboy]

Thanks for your input.
Your help is appreciated.

[Banshaboy]

So I am working away with a magnifier and so on.
The lines are to the left of the roof and above the curved rock ?
Is the 301A common ? 301AR ?

[AKPhilately]

The lines are to the left of the roof and above the curved rock ? Is the 301A common ? 301AR ?

Yes, the lines to look at are right above the very top of the curved rock.

Type 301A is very common. The 301A/RM type is a coil stamp and is less common and type 301 is the least common. A complete re-entry such as the 301A.2.01 is also very rare. So my bet is that if you have a bunch of used copies they'll all be 301A, and if you're very lucky you'll find an A/RM.

[Banshaboy]

Thanks for your help. I have looked at a number of these stamps and I am still searching !

[bumbi]

Hi Banshaboy and AKPhilately,

You are right! Almost...

unfortunately, the Zumstein does not mark all the differences clearly between the tree different types...

I made some scans for you and marked the spots where you see the differences of the 3 types hopefully easely (more or less):

first the 301, also called "Urtype"


I marked the following spots:
1. no cross hatching above the 20 and almost none above the H of HELVETIA
2. three water lines are almost touching the left side of the rock
3. three waterlines between to of the rock and the shore behind
4. the lines of the background come very close to the mountain (t's just my own experiance, but it could help in some cases!)
5. this is not a clear indice, because this line faded away more and more during the printing time


second the 301A, called "Nachgestochene Platte"

1. cross hatching (around 3 lines high) above the 20 and fully above the H of HELVETIA
2. the water lines are slightly away from the left side of the rock
3. only two waterlines between to of the rock and the shore behind
4. the lines of the background come not so close to the mountain as on the 301 (it's just my own experiance and not written in the books, but it could help in some cases!)
5. this is not a clear indice, because this line could also fade away more and more during the printing time

From this stamp clichee are also made tete-beche for booklets. You'll find those cut on 1 or 2 sides.
Obviously due strond demanding (the "power" of the collectors ), there were also uncut tete-beche printings available, mostly sold to dealers and collectors.



third the 301AR, called "Rollenmarke" (coil stamp)

1. almost no cross hatching above the 20 but fully above the H of HELVETIA
2. the water lines are remarkable away from the left side of the rock
3. only two waterlines between to of the rock and the shore behind
4. the lines of the background come are more away from the mountain as on the 301A (it's just my own experiance and not written in the books, but it could help in some cases!)
5. this is not a clear indice, because this line could also fade away more and more during the printing time

this 301AR is a coil stamp, and therefore, the upper and lower border is cut by a machine. (this makes it easy for us 8) )
BUT: I 've also found coilstamps, which are uncut !

and last, but not least: 301ARM
Those are the numbered coilstamps. Every 10th was numerated with a letter and 4 numbers
Unfortunately, this number disappers most of the time in the water, because it was printed on the adhesive...

I have quite a good collection of these "Grimsel", because i'm (still) working on a complete collection of the stamp dates.
On the other hand, I like to collect varieties , and this stamp has plenty of them !!
Therefore, I've been working through almost 100'000s of this stamp and I found only about a dozen of 301, about 1000 of 301AR and about 30 of 301ARM. In the meantime, I'm quite well trained to see the difference between the types...
...and in investigation of their varieties...

More questions about 301 and Co. ?
Just ask me
I'm fully surrounded by these stamps... ..and I still like it...
bumbi

PS: Just entered the forum last sunday.
...and I've choosen my avatar before I found this thread

[Banshaboy]

Awesome!
Thanks for your display. The sheet of stamps is great.
I looked at hundreds of these stamps. Now I will go back at them.
All the best.

[Girish Vaidya]

I found this among some kiloware some time back



a close up in 1200dpi of one stamp



looks like the common variety to me

[bumbi]

Hello Girish Vaidya,

Good picture, but I can not see a variety.
Just an ordinary 301A
What is the detail; where do you see something special

Have a nice day, Bumbi

[Philexx]

Hi bumbi,

I think Girish Vaidya meant variety using the term in its general sense and not in its philatelic sense.

Thanks for the detailed explanation above.

[bumbi]

Yesss, in this sense: It's just the common variety

Have a nice day, Bumbi

[nuage3]

Hello to all stamp lovers, and especially the Swiss stamps' specialists!

I need some help. After a long search on the Internet (hours and hours), I didn't find much information about the 301AR and 301ARM, except in this excellent page!

I'm almost just interested in Chinese stamps (nobody is perfect), so I want to get rid of old European stamps that I accidentally fell into my possession. I have a 301 ARM, new one (upper and lower border is cut by a machine, numbers on the back faded but present), and don't find it's rate. The catalogues I can consult here, only know the 301 and 301A (Scott type I and II). I neither can find any new 301 ARM on sale on the Web, only cancelled ones.

Here are the images :
http://hpics.li/a40244a
http://hpics.li/3c0d293

(please, excuse my bad English)

Have a good day

[CHzug1291]

Good morning, can a mod please change the word "Landscaff" into the correct spelling Landschaft

Cheers
Peter

[AMark]

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[AMark]

Hello to all stamp lovers, and especially the Swiss stamps' specialists!

I need some help. After a long search on the Internet (hours and hours), I didn't find much information about the 301AR and 301ARM, except in this excellent page!

I'm almost just interested in Chinese stamps (nobody is perfect), so I want to get rid of old European stamps that I accidentally fell into my possession. I have a 301 ARM, new one (upper and lower border is cut by a machine, numbers on the back faded but present), and don't find it's rate. The catalogues I can consult here, only know the 301 and 301A (Scott type I and II). I neither can find any new 301 ARM on sale on the Web, only cancelled ones.

Here are the images :
http://hpics.li/a40244a
http://hpics.li/3c0d293

(please, excuse my bad English)

Have a good day

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[CHzug1291]

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