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Tony as I understand it, the requesting party DOES pay for such stupidity.

A large slush fund from the Brain Dead Lemmings they have created, covers this pointless stuff. And the $20,000 a day for Hair Dye Guiliani. :!: :!: :!:
While the majority of American States require the requestor to pay for a recount in an election where the results are close, Georgia and a few other States do pay for it. This from CNN:

“Under Georgia law, the Trump campaign had two business days from Friday's certification to request the recount, which will be taxpayer-funded.”

Yet another example of non-uniform laws in the United States.
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Is anyone else wondering about the countries name?

Perhaps the "Disparate States of America" would be a better moniker.

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Further to my post above, I was just reading a pertinent article from the Brennan Centre for Justice at NYU Law about the recent changes made to State electoral laws by the now very conservative leaning U.S. Supreme Court:

“The very same constitutional provision that the Supreme Court is eyeing to strengthen the hand of state legislators to restrict voting rights also gives Congress the power “at any time” to override state laws and establish its own rules for federal elections. As Justice Gorsuch, joined by Justice Kavanaugh, put it in his concurrence in a recent case: “If state rules need revision, Congress is free to alter them.” Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the court’s conservative majority, made a similar point in a redistricting case two years ago.”

So, in the event that the Democrats control both Houses, there is a possibility that Congress will be able to pass legislation to make certain State laws uniform across the nation. Sanity will then prevail :!:
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As pointed out earlier, here in Australia at least we have the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) - the independent federal agency in charge of organising, conducting and supervising federal Australian elections, by-elections and referendums.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Electoral_Commission

What happens in Tasmania, also happens in the Northern Territory, 1000s of miles away, in exactly the same way.

It covers postal ballots, counting rules, invalid voting rules, challenges to results etc. All are uniform.

You cannot count postal votes in Queensland that arrive 3 days after the election, etc, etc, but not do it in other states - which is the current loopy American system.

I cannot comprehend why the USA does not have similar uniformity. It is not that hard.

That Texas nonsense of having just ONE approved place to lodge absentee votes, in a city of 5 million people is quite insane. It again served the purpose of disenfranchising poor and black voters etc, and in 2020 that Jim Crow type stuff should have long been stamped out. It clearly has not been, as some States still call the shots to some extent, making it hard for some folks to lodge votes in person.


The Voting Rights Act of 1965 ended legally sanctioned state barriers to voting for all federal, state and local elections. It also provided for federal oversight and monitoring of counties with historically low minority voter turnout.

Years of enforcement have been needed to overcome resistance, and additional legal challenges have been made in the courts to ensure the ability of voters to elect candidates of their choice.

For instance, many cities and counties introduced at-large election of council members, which resulted in many cases of diluting minority votes and preventing election of minority-supported candidates.

In 2013, the Roberts Court removed the requirement established by the Voting Rights Act that Southern states needed Federal approval for changes in voting policies. Several states immediately made changes in their laws restricting voting access.
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satsuma wrote:
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Is anyone else wondering about the countries name?

Perhaps the "Disparate States of America" would be a better moniker.
A very interesting article here which argues that the USA is in fact the closest Country to a Democracy among the most highly populated countries on this mud ball. In essence, it boils down to multiple different demographic groups spread among disparate regions and even separate economies within the USA no longer have a compelling reason to be part of a "team" of 350,000,000 people (such as "us v Russia" and WWII which seemed to unite the entire Country under a common cause).

But the cracks were always there and Trumpism has simply highlighted what has been bubbling along since the Iron Curtain fell, or perhaps even earlier.

I admit that I find it rather a compelling point of view.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-23/united-states-is-just-too-big/12907642

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In breaking news, Giuliani has thrown Sidney Powell under the bus:

On November 15, Trump tweeted "I look forward to Mayor Giuliani spearheading the legal effort to defend OUR RIGHT to FREE and FAIR ELECTIONS! Rudy Giuliani, Joseph diGenova, Victoria Toensing, Sidney Powell, and Jenna Ellis, a truly great team, added to our other wonderful lawyers and representatives!"

But:
In a brief statement released Sunday afternoon, President Trump's lead attorney Rudy Giuliani and senior legal adviser Jenna Ellis said that Powell "is not a member of the Trump Legal Team."

"She is also not a lawyer for the President in his personal capacity," the former New York City mayor added.

Powell appeared alongside Giuliani and other members of the campaign's legal squad in press conferences over the past month — including one on Thursday — detailing the campaign's so far unsuccessful efforts to halt or overturn the certification of election results in several key battleground states that were called by media outlets for President-elect Joe Biden.

https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/law-order/1317038-trump ... legal-team

You would really have to be batsh*t crazy if even Giuliani wants to disown you.

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Being the crazy one on that legal team is really saying something. After her rant on Venezuela and China hacking the voting machines to implicating long time Trump backer and Republican Governor of Georgia she’s officially gone off the rails.

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And to think in the last Month Giuliani has bee caught with his hand down his pants by Borat, scheduled a press conference in an alley behind a porn shop, and had his hair dye drip off his head on national TV and even he’s saying we aren’t associated with Sidney Powell.
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Do keep up Dumpy -- America has just HAD a free and Fair election, and this below was the result of it - you comprehensively lost by a massive SIX MILLION votes and getting greater every day on the final counts, and by a whopping 74 x EC votes too!

To all except Citizen Dump, this is a LANDSLIDE loss. :idea: :idea:


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All in all it’s just another brick in the wall, oh so true - This from Huffpost:

“New Jersey Democratic Representative Bill Pascrell has filed a complaint with New York’s attorney disciplinary officials, calling for the disbarment of Rudy Giuliani for “fraud” and “deceit” in his actions attempting to overturn the presidential election without any justification.

“Mr Giuliani has participated in the filing of a series of absurd lawsuits seeking to overturn the will of the voters ... and has caused irreversible damage to the public trust in the fair administration of our elections,” Pascrell wrote Friday to the Grievance Committee for three New York Judicial Districts.

He accused Giuliani, who is leading Donald Trump’s attack on the results of the presidential election, of “clearly” violating the state’s Rules of Professional Misconduct that prohibit “dishonesty, fraud, deceit” and “misrepresentations.”

He “should face the severest sanction your body can mete out: revocation of his law license,” Pascrell added.

New York also prohibits attorneys from filing frivolous lawsuits.”

When the lawyers start to desert the sinking S.S. Trump you know it’s only a matter of time :idea:
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Hi Sheriff,in one of your recent posts you made the comment "I cannot comprehend why the USA does not have similar uniformity. It is not that hard."

You're right of course (and I'm with you on that issue) as Australia has shown; there have been recent times when Congress has been controlled by one party..... .'The Republicans held the House, Senate, and Presidency from 2001–2007, when growing opposition to the Iraq War led to a Democratic wave that seized both houses of Congress.'

Given these situations, it is apparent neither party is interested in having common electoral laws across the nation...so the question arises..Why not? It isn't as though electoral problems are a recent 'invention'.

Perhaps...just perhaps, common laws/processes would remove States oversight or control of the processes of the election.....and both parties appear content with the current confused processes.

Of course the ultimate in democratic processes would be for the USA to follow Australia not only our processes but also introduce compulsory voting- voting is a 'right' (I would prefer to refer to rights as 'societal privilege') but 'rights' or 'privileges' also means responsibility.

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Hi Sheriff,in one of your recent posts you made the comment "I cannot comprehend why the USA does not have similar uniformity. It is not that hard."

You're right of course (and I'm with you on that issue) as Australia has shown; there have been recent times when Congress has been controlled by one party..... .'The Republicans held the House, Senate, and Presidency from 2001–2007, when growing opposition to the Iraq War led to a Democratic wave that seized both houses of Congress.'

Given these situations, it is apparent neither party is interested in having common electoral laws across the nation...so the question arises..Why not? It isn't as though electoral problems are a recent 'invention'.

Perhaps...just perhaps, common laws/processes would remove States oversight or control of the processes of the election.....and both parties appear content with the current confused processes.

Of course the ultimate in democratic processes would be for the USA to follow Australia not only our processes but also introduce compulsory voting- voting is a 'right' (I would prefer to refer to rights as 'societal privilege') but 'rights' or 'privileges' also means responsibility.

No you are off with fairies comparing Australia and the US mazski.

Australia never had a civil war, for starters.

Just look at the name: United States of America.

Every state United, except in practice.

There’s two different countries there, those that live in the socialist swamp cities and those that live rurally - sorry, intelligently.
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Rigs, think the comment about the civil war is irrelevant as your States and Federal responsibilities stem from your Constitution

The principle espoused by the Sheriff can be achieved - even in the socialist swamp cities- if the political will was there...which unfortunately it is not, PARTICULARLY within the socialist swamp cities.

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The Elections Clause of the Constitution (Art. 1, § 4, cl. 1),“is a default provision; it invests the States with responsibility for the mechanics of congressional elections, but only so far as Congress declines to pre-empt state legislative choices.”

The Congress has had 230 years to develop consistent electoral laws, and although from time to time it has invalidated specific State laws, it has shown no enthusiasm for the task.

Admittedly, for some time after the constitution came into effect, fears of secession encouraged Congressional hesitancy to pre-emptively legislate electoral laws.

The winners of the Civil war reinforced the relative legal powers of Congress over the States, but did little to effect a nationwide change to thinking "one law to rule them all" was desirable.

Now, with a president actively encouraging strident dissent among the people, and among the State legislatures, any hope for sanity to prevail is growing increasingly dim.

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Note that in Australia there are three different legal paradigms regarding voting.

The Constitution enshrines the right to vote in both Federal and State elections, with a few exceptions {eg insanity).

The Electoral Act (and its various predecessors back to 1924) compels the vote at Federal level

The States separately enacted compulsion to vote at State level at various times.

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There’s two different countries there, those that live in the socialist swamp cities and those that live rurally - sorry, intelligently.
I've lived here over 50 years and I've yet to see, hear, or visit a "socialist swamp city" Which one/s are you referring to?
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Rigs wrote:
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There’s two different countries there, those that live in the socialist swamp cities and those that live rurally - sorry, intelligently.
I've lived here over 50 years and I've yet to see, hear, or visit a "socialist swamp city" Which one/s are you referring to?
Likewise. (Although it is easy to read between the lines what is meant.)

I do find it amusing to read the comments from people in Australia, Poland, and elsewhere, diagnosing the USA’s problems and prescribing solutions from afar.

The system of government in the USA, though apparently incomprehensible to some of our world-wide friends, was intentionally designed so that there would be tension and trade offs between the Federal and State powers, and between the three branches of government. It was also designed so that a majority of any class of citizens could not completely subvert the interests of minority classes.

What’s happening now is actually a demonstration of the strength of the system, not of weakness.

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Perhaps you could explain to those of us from afar, in 100 words or less, the advantages you see in the separate states being able to disenfranchise sectors of their community, under a form of government supposedly "of the people, by the people, for the people".

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Rigs wrote:
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There’s two different countries there, those that live in the socialist swamp cities and those that live rurally - sorry, intelligently.
I've lived here over 50 years and I've yet to see, hear, or visit a "socialist swamp city" Which one/s are you referring to?

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Michigan just certified Biden’s win.
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Perhaps you could explain to those of us from afar, in 100 words or less, the advantages you see in the separate states being able to disenfranchise sectors of their community, under a form of government supposedly "of the people, by the people, for the people".
We fought a bloody Civil War to enfranchise people. We have an ongoing civil rights movement that has achieved the right to vote for women and racial minorities and continues to achieve ever greater social justice (however slowly and painfully). All within a system that has checks and balances and a division of powers and is SUCCESSFULLY blocking a would-be authoritarian from overturning the votes of legally enfranchised voters.

It’s definitely not perfect by any means but it slowly tends toward “a more perfect union.”

That’s 86 words. :)

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satsuma wrote:
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Perhaps you could explain to those of us from afar, in 100 words or less, the advantages you see in the separate states being able to disenfranchise sectors of their community, under a form of government supposedly "of the people, by the people, for the people".
What States exactly are able to do that? By the States having their power enables it to be "controlled" at a local level. Last thing anyone here wants is anything to do with the Federal Government. I deal with the feds once a year for taxes and that's enough.

I think we are all seeing a system that's holding when pushed to the brink by a madman. Our system is designed so no one person can abuse that kind of power. This isn't the first contested election we've had.

But it is the first one in which social media played one of the biggest roles in the election campaigns. The non-stop media blitz coupled with a media personality who always wants the cameras pointed at himself made for the circus it is.

It also showed many the very scary side of American people and American politics but in the long run I think it's healthy for the country to go through these types of exercises.It is times like this that have made us strong enough to get where we are today.


Trump will eventually shut up and fade off into the sunset and continue to complain on social media sites how he got cheated but 77 million people will always be there to remind him. And you think Alex Jones is bad? Wait until he's unemployed.
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Michigan just certified Biden’s win.

Yes, despite Dumpy summonsing the Certifying Board to Washington to brow them not to. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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And now Trump has instructed Emily Murphy (GSA) to begin the transition process.



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And now Trump has instructed Emily Murphy (GSA) to begin the transition process.
I just found Trump's transition team:
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And now Trump has instructed Emily Murphy (GSA) to begin the transition process.
I just found Trump's transition team:

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LIES :lol: :lol: :lol:


You are disguising their actual composition - Giuliani was out dipping his head into another bucket of Vegemite, and sadly missed this photo call ..................



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Giuliani was out dipping his head into another bucket of Vegemite and sadly missed this photo call ....................................
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stallzer wrote:
24 Nov 2020 10:17

satsuma wrote:
24 Nov 2020 07:44
Perhaps you could explain to those of us from afar, in 100 words or less, the advantages you see in the separate states being able to disenfranchise sectors of their community, under a form of government supposedly "of the people, by the people, for the people".
What States exactly are able to do that? By the States having their power enables it to be "controlled" at a local level. Last thing anyone here wants is anything to do with the Federal Government. I deal with the feds once a year for taxes and that's enough.


Perhaps I asked the wrong question. I'll try again.

What is undesirable about Congress passing a law stating in effect

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It shall be the duty of the State to encourage voting in Federal elections, consistent with the following provisions of this statute

a) Eligible voters in Federal elections are as defined below.
b) Voters shall have access to an appropriate number and distribution of polling stations as defined below.
c) Scrutineers representing any candidate's party shall be allowed access to polling stations as defined below.
d) Mail voting shall be approved as defined below.
e) Electronic voting shall be approved as defined below.
f) States shall not seek to circumvent any of these definitions, but may petition for changes to these rules as defined below.

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LIES :lol: :lol: :lol:


You are disguising their actual composition - Giuliani was out dipping his head into another bucket of Vegemite, and sadly missed this photo call ..................



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What is undesirable about Congress passing a law stating in effect...
satsuma,

Your post is addressed to stallzer, but since my post initiated the exchange...

My answer is... nothing. That would be a fine law.

What you may not be fully appreciating is that it was the individual States that brought into being the United States. The States saw merit in granting certain powers to a Federal government that all States would be subject to, but they also saw merit in retaining considerable powers to themselves.

Subsequently some States have abused their powers it is true. But on the whole the system has worked pretty well.

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Finally:

"In accordance with the Presidential Transition Act of 1963, as amended, today, November 23, 2020, the GSA Administrator has ascertained Joseph R. Biden and Senator Kamala Harris the apparent successful candidates for the offices of President and Vice President, respectively," Mary Gibert, the federal transition coordinator, wrote in an email to federal department contacts.

As predicted, no Trump concession and for some reason he still thinks he can win despite his law suits having failed and most States certifying Biden and the last few due shortly :roll:
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Robert De Niro, said Giuliani had gone from prosecuting mafia to working for them

Robert De Niro has accused Rudy Giuliani of going from taking on the mafia to 'representing a mob family'.

The 77-year-old actor is one of Donald Trump's most persistent critics, describing the president as 'blatantly stupid', 'a real racist', a 'punk' and a 'mutt'.

On Friday morning De Niro turned his fire on Giuliani, Trump's lawyer, who is currently heading up the president's election fraud team. The Oscar-winning actor appeared on The View on Friday morning

De Niro was asked about Giuliani - like him, an Italian American from New York City

He noted how Giuliani, as US attorney for the Southern District of New York, put many mobsters behind bars under the the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations act (RICO) in the 1980s.

Giuliani is referred to by the National Museum of Crime and Law Enforcement as a notorious 'mob buster'.

'He's the one who was prosecuting under the RICO act, the way I understand it,' De Niro told The View's co-host Sunny Hostin.

'And now he's representing a mob family. It's crazy. I don't know what happened to him. I feel bad for him.'

Asked why he would do it, De Niro replies: 'I think just for the attention. Maybe for desperation?'

He adds: 'I can't understand, because it's just as easy to say look, I can't buy into this, I'm out.

'He had so much respect, that people would hire him, or want to hire him.'

He pointed to the example of Christopher Kreb, the Homeland Security cyber security chief, who said that the elections were secure.

'He said there was no tampering, or minimal. He did the right thing,' said De Niro.
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