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When dozens of your OWN PARTY plan to vote to impeach you then you are totally STUFFED! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Donald Trump's once iron grip on his party shows further signs of weakening as five Republicans announced they will join Democrats in voting to impeach the president over the attack on the Capitol.

White House officials have told CNN there could be up to 25 House GOP members who will vote to impeach the US President for the second time. Fox News is reporting that there could be up to 20 defections.

With eight days remaining in Trump's term in office, the House of Representatives is poised on Wednesday (local time) to pass the article of impeachment accusing him of inciting insurrection in a speech to his followers last week before the mob of supporters stormed the Capitol.

The move will trigger a trial in the still Republican-controlled Senate, although it is unclear if enough time or political appetite remained to push Trump from office.

In the Senate, a two-thirds majority is needed to convict him, meaning at least 17 Republicans in the 100-member chamber would have to vote for conviction.

Presidents can be impeached after leaving the role.

‘Never been a greater betrayal by a president’

Third-ranking House GOP leader Liz Cheney announced she would vote to impeach Trump on Wednesday, cleaving the Republican leadership, and the party itself.

“The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack,” Cheney said in a statement.

“There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution.”

Four other Republican House members, John Katko, Adam Kinzinger, Fred Upton and Jamie Herrera Beutler, also said they would also vote for impeachment.

In a tweet announcing her decision to vote for impeachment, Rep Buetler was highly critical of the president’s response to the riots at the US Capitol.

“The president released a pathetic denouncement of the violence that also served as a wink and a nod to those that perpetuated it,” she wrote.

“The President’s offences, in my reading of the Constitution, were impeachable based on the indisputable evidence we already have.”

The New York Times has reported the Republican majority leader of the US Senate, Mitch McConnell, is said to be “pleased” about the Democratic impeachment push.

At a meeting to set the rules for Wednesday's impeachment vote, Democratic Representative David Cicilline told the House rules committee the impeachment drive had the support of 217 lawmakers – enough to impeach Trump.

Cicilline, who helped craft the impeachment measure, said Trump "has had almost a week to do the right thing. He has refused to resign, he has failed to take responsibility, he has demonstrated no remorse."

Greatest allies turn on Trump

The New York Times has reported the Republican majority leader of the US Senate, Mitch McConnell, is said to be “pleased” about the Democratic impeachment push.

Mr McConnell, who has been a long-time supporter of Trump, reportedly believes that the process will allow the Republican party to “purge” itself of the controversial president’s influence, the Times said.

McConnell has said no Senate trial could begin until the chamber returns from its recess on January 19.

But Democratic Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who will become the majority leader after two Democrats from Georgia are seated and Vice-President-elect Kamala Harris is sworn in, told reporters the Senate could be recalled to handle the matter.
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When dozens of your OWN PARTY plan to vote to impeach you then you are totally STUFFED! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Maybe this just might give a very faint clue as to why individual GOPers are dumping Trump. These are Companies who feel that the GOP have been a bit naughty and have stopped donating funds (so far). Not counting of course places that have given special pride of place telling Trump himself where to go, like Scotland, Deutsche Bank, PGA, all social media, and icing on the cake, Bill Belichick the famous football coach refusing the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

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HALLMARK CARDS: The maker of greeting cards was very specific in the message it wants to send U.S. Senators Josh Hawley and Roger Marshall: Give us our money back. The Kansas City, Missouri-based company said it’s seeking reimbursement for the $7,000 it donated to Hawley, of Missouri, and the $5,000 it gave newly elected Marshall, of Kansas, over the last two years. The Republicans objected to the certification of electors for President-elect Joe Biden.

AIRBNB: The online marketplace for travelers says it will “continue to uphold our community policies by banning violent hate group members when we learn of such memberships.”’ The company’s political action committee will update its framework and withhold support from those who voted against the certification of the presidential election results.”

AMAZON.COM: The online retailer has suspended contributions to any member of Congress who voted to object to the election results, spokeswoman Jodi Seth said in an email. “We intend to discuss our concerns directly with those Members we have previously supported and will evaluate their responses as we consider future PAC contributions,” Seth said.

AMERICAN EXPRESS: The credit-card company said Monday that its PAC wouldn’t support congressional members who tried “to subvert the presidential election results and disrupt the peaceful transition of power.”

AT&T: The telecom giant said its Federal PAC board held a call Monday and decided to halt contributions “to members of Congress who voted to object to the certification of Electoral College votes last week.”

BEST BUY: The electronics retailer said it will halt campaign contributions to the 147 members of Congress who objected to certifying the election results.

BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD: The health-insurer association “will suspend contributions to those lawmakers who voted to undermine our democracy,” Chief Executive Officer Kim Keck said in a statement issued Friday.

CISCO SYSTEMS: The world’s largest maker of networking equipment won’t provide any future contributions to the 147 representatives and senators who “attempted to prevent Congress from fulfilling its constitutional duty to certify a legitimate and fair presidential election.”

COMCAST: The company will suspend all political contributions to elected officials who voted against certification. The move “will give us the opportunity to review our political giving policies and practices,” the company said, citing “the appalling violence we witnessed at the U.S. Capitol last week.

DOW: The chemical company paused contributions by its PACs to members of Congress who voted to object to the certification. The suspension will remain in place for one election cycle, meaning it will last two years for lawmakers in the House of Representatives and six years for senators. “Dow is committed to the principles of democracy and the peaceful transfer of power,” the Midland, Michigan-based company said in a statement.

EDISON INTERNATIONAL: The Rosemead, California-based utility said it paused giving to U.S. House and Senate members on Jan. 7. The company also is implementing a “freeze of indefinite duration” on further campaign contributions to members of Congress who voted to overturn the results, spokesman Ron Gales said.

GENERAL ELECTRIC: GE’s political action committee will suspend contributions to the lawmakers who voted last week to oppose the electoral college results. The PAC’s board voted Monday to halt donations for the duration of the current session of Congress, which ends in early January 2023, the company said.

G0LDMAN SACHS GROUP: The bank said it is still formulating measures that will probably curtail future political giving to the elected leaders who fought to overturn the 2020 result.

INTEL: The semiconductor maker said it won’t give money to members of Congress who voted against certification of the election.

MARRIOTT INTERNATIONAL: The hotel chain was among the first to say it is suspending donations to Republican senators who voted against certifying Biden, after considering the “destructive events” at the Capitol last week.

MASTERCARD: The credit card company said it will stop donating to lawmakers who opposed certification.

VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS: The phone company will suspend contributions to any member of Congress who voted to object to the election results, Rich Young, a spokesman, said in an interview. “We watched last week’s events and were saddened,” Young said.

Pausing All Contributions:

3M: The maker of Post-it notes, medical masks and chemical additives has paused all state and federal political contributions through March and plans to reassess its spending policy in April. The St. Paul, Minnesota-based company imposed the spending hold on Jan. 7, the day after the violent clashes in Washington.

AMERICAN AIRLINES GROUP: The carrier will take a three-month break starting immediately from political giving to review its contributions. “When we resume, we will ensure we focus on a bipartisan array of lawmakers who support U.S. aviation, airline workers and our values, including bringing people together,” the carrier said in a statement.

ARCHER-DANIELS-MIDLAND: The company, one of the world’s largest agricultural commodity traders, will suspend making any new contributions until it has completed a review of all of its political donation policies “to ensure that these policies fully reflect ADM’s values as a company.”

BLACKROCK: The world’s largest asset manager is pausing contributions to campaigns of public officials through its PAC, citing “the horrific events in the nation’s capital.” The firm “will conduct a thorough review of the events and evaluate how we will focus our political activity going forward,” Kate Fulton, BlackRock’s head of U.S. public policy, said in a memo.

BP: The oil giant is pausing all contributions for six months, at which time its PAC will “re-evaluate its criteria for candidate support.”

CITIGROUP: The bank will temporarily stop all political contributions in the current quarter. “We want you to be assured that we will not support candidates who do not respect the rule of law,” Candi Wolff, Citi’s head of global government affairs, said in a memo to employees.

COCA-COLA: The beverage company said it will suspend political giving following contributions to the Biden inauguration. The move was made “in light of the unlawful and violent events in our nation’s capital last week. These events will long be remembered and will factor into our future contribution decisions,” the company said in an email.

CONOCOPHILLIPS: The largest independent U.S. oil exploration company said Monday it suspended all political contributions for at least six months and is reviewing its policies.

FACEBOOK: The social-media company is pausing all of its PAC contributions “for at least the current quarter while we review our policies,” spokesman Andy Stone said.

FORD MOTOR: The automaker suspended new contributions from its employee PAC “for now” because “events over the past year have underscored the need for a broader, ongoing discussion about other relevant considerations when it comes to our employee PAC.”

FREEPORT-McMoRan: The miner, which sponsors a federal PAC and various local PACs in the states where it operates, said that “in light of the recent events,” its committees have suspended contributions to candidates and will be undertaking a review of such contributions in the future.

DUKE ENERGY: The Charlotte, North Carolina-based utility said it was pausing federal contributions for 30 days.

FIRSTENERGY: The Ohio-based power provider is pausing all political contributions while it evaluates its participation in the political process. The company wants to ensure its donations align with its “corporate values, behaviors and strategies,” spokeswoman Jennifer Young said in an emailed statement.

HILTON: The hotel company says it will not be making political donations “indefinitely” and committed to “any future donations being shared equally across the major parties and only after careful assessment of the recipient’s voting record.” Hilton initially suspended its PAC in March because of the impact of the pandemic.

JPMORGAN CHASE: The largest U.S. bank by assets said it’s planning a six-month suspension to both Republicans and Democrats.

MARATHON PETROLEUM: The oil refiner said it will pause all political contributions while it re-evaluates its approach. “The violence that took place at the Capitol was appalling, and we condemn it unequivocally,” spokesman Jamal Kheiry said.

MICROSOFT: The software company’s PAC decided Friday it won’t make any political donations until it assesses the recent events. The company said its PAC regularly pauses donations in the first quarter of a new Congress but it will “take additional steps this year to consider these recent events and consult with employees.”

MORGAN STANLEY: The bank singled out members of Congress who opposed the move to certify President-elect Joe Biden’s election win, pausing its contributions to them.

SMITHFIELD FOODS: The top global pork producer paused all U.S. federal campaign contributions “until more facts are known” about last week’s events. “Along with millions of our fellow Americans, we were horrified by the recent violence at the U.S. Capitol,” said Keira Lombardo, Smithfield’s chief administrative officer.

UNITED PARCEL SERVICE: The package-delivery company has suspended all contributions for now, a spokesperson said.

VALERO ENERGY: The oil refiner is pausing all political contributions and has no plans to resume them over the next few months. “We will continue to evaluate future contributions to assure they serve the best interest and values of our employees, shareholders, and the communities where we operate,” spokeswoman Lillian Riojas said.

AMERICAN INVESTMENT COUNCIL: The trade group for the private equity industry is halting all donations to candidates. The group is based about 2 miles from the Capitol and is backed including Carlyle Group Inc., Apollo Global Management Inc. and Blackstone Group Inc.

INVESTMENT COMPANY INSTITUTE: Washington’s leading trade association for the asset-management industry says it’s temporarily halting political donations pending a review, a decision that applies to giving to both Republicans and Democrats.

MANAGED FUNDS ASSOCIATION: The hedge fund industry’s main Washington trade group said it will reassess PAC spending.

LOAN SYNDICATIONS AND TRADING ASSOCIATION: The trade group that unites banks and investment firms that operate in the U.S. syndicated loan market is temporarily suspending PAC contributions as it reassesses its 2021 political strategy, according to a spokesman.
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You really get an impression of a pattern here,although maybe they are doing this on principle and don't care about their money trees dying.

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13 Jan 2021 20:44
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13 Jan 2021 19:16
When dozens of your OWN PARTY plan to vote to impeach you then you are totally STUFFED! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Maybe this just might give a very faint clue as to why individual GOPers are dumping Trump. These are Companies who feel that the GOP have been a bit naughty and have stopped donating funds (so far). Not counting of course places that have given special pride of place telling Trump himself where to go, like Scotland, Deutsche Bank, PGA, all social media, and icing on the cake, Bill Belichick the famous football coach refusing the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

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HALLMARK CARDS: The maker of greeting cards was very specific in the message it wants to send U.S. Senators Josh Hawley and Roger Marshall: Give us our money back. The Kansas City, Missouri-based company said it’s seeking reimbursement for the $7,000 it donated to Hawley, of Missouri, and the $5,000 it gave newly elected Marshall, of Kansas, over the last two years. The Republicans objected to the certification of electors for President-elect Joe Biden.

AIRBNB: The online marketplace for travelers says it will “continue to uphold our community policies by banning violent hate group members when we learn of such memberships.”’ The company’s political action committee will update its framework and withhold support from those who voted against the certification of the presidential election results.”

AMAZON.COM: The online retailer has suspended contributions to any member of Congress who voted to object to the election results, spokeswoman Jodi Seth said in an email. “We intend to discuss our concerns directly with those Members we have previously supported and will evaluate their responses as we consider future PAC contributions,” Seth said.

AMERICAN EXPRESS: The credit-card company said Monday that its PAC wouldn’t support congressional members who tried “to subvert the presidential election results and disrupt the peaceful transition of power.”

AT&T: The telecom giant said its Federal PAC board held a call Monday and decided to halt contributions “to members of Congress who voted to object to the certification of Electoral College votes last week.”

BEST BUY: The electronics retailer said it will halt campaign contributions to the 147 members of Congress who objected to certifying the election results.

BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD: The health-insurer association “will suspend contributions to those lawmakers who voted to undermine our democracy,” Chief Executive Officer Kim Keck said in a statement issued Friday.

CISCO SYSTEMS: The world’s largest maker of networking equipment won’t provide any future contributions to the 147 representatives and senators who “attempted to prevent Congress from fulfilling its constitutional duty to certify a legitimate and fair presidential election.”

COMCAST: The company will suspend all political contributions to elected officials who voted against certification. The move “will give us the opportunity to review our political giving policies and practices,” the company said, citing “the appalling violence we witnessed at the U.S. Capitol last week.

DOW: The chemical company paused contributions by its PACs to members of Congress who voted to object to the certification. The suspension will remain in place for one election cycle, meaning it will last two years for lawmakers in the House of Representatives and six years for senators. “Dow is committed to the principles of democracy and the peaceful transfer of power,” the Midland, Michigan-based company said in a statement.

EDISON INTERNATIONAL: The Rosemead, California-based utility said it paused giving to U.S. House and Senate members on Jan. 7. The company also is implementing a “freeze of indefinite duration” on further campaign contributions to members of Congress who voted to overturn the results, spokesman Ron Gales said.

GENERAL ELECTRIC: GE’s political action committee will suspend contributions to the lawmakers who voted last week to oppose the electoral college results. The PAC’s board voted Monday to halt donations for the duration of the current session of Congress, which ends in early January 2023, the company said.

G0LDMAN SACHS GROUP: The bank said it is still formulating measures that will probably curtail future political giving to the elected leaders who fought to overturn the 2020 result.

INTEL: The semiconductor maker said it won’t give money to members of Congress who voted against certification of the election.

MARRIOTT INTERNATIONAL: The hotel chain was among the first to say it is suspending donations to Republican senators who voted against certifying Biden, after considering the “destructive events” at the Capitol last week.

MASTERCARD: The credit card company said it will stop donating to lawmakers who opposed certification.

VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS: The phone company will suspend contributions to any member of Congress who voted to object to the election results, Rich Young, a spokesman, said in an interview. “We watched last week’s events and were saddened,” Young said.

Pausing All Contributions:

3M: The maker of Post-it notes, medical masks and chemical additives has paused all state and federal political contributions through March and plans to reassess its spending policy in April. The St. Paul, Minnesota-based company imposed the spending hold on Jan. 7, the day after the violent clashes in Washington.

AMERICAN AIRLINES GROUP: The carrier will take a three-month break starting immediately from political giving to review its contributions. “When we resume, we will ensure we focus on a bipartisan array of lawmakers who support U.S. aviation, airline workers and our values, including bringing people together,” the carrier said in a statement.

ARCHER-DANIELS-MIDLAND: The company, one of the world’s largest agricultural commodity traders, will suspend making any new contributions until it has completed a review of all of its political donation policies “to ensure that these policies fully reflect ADM’s values as a company.”

BLACKROCK: The world’s largest asset manager is pausing contributions to campaigns of public officials through its PAC, citing “the horrific events in the nation’s capital.” The firm “will conduct a thorough review of the events and evaluate how we will focus our political activity going forward,” Kate Fulton, BlackRock’s head of U.S. public policy, said in a memo.

BP: The oil giant is pausing all contributions for six months, at which time its PAC will “re-evaluate its criteria for candidate support.”

CITIGROUP: The bank will temporarily stop all political contributions in the current quarter. “We want you to be assured that we will not support candidates who do not respect the rule of law,” Candi Wolff, Citi’s head of global government affairs, said in a memo to employees.

COCA-COLA: The beverage company said it will suspend political giving following contributions to the Biden inauguration. The move was made “in light of the unlawful and violent events in our nation’s capital last week. These events will long be remembered and will factor into our future contribution decisions,” the company said in an email.

CONOCOPHILLIPS: The largest independent U.S. oil exploration company said Monday it suspended all political contributions for at least six months and is reviewing its policies.

FACEBOOK: The social-media company is pausing all of its PAC contributions “for at least the current quarter while we review our policies,” spokesman Andy Stone said.

FORD MOTOR: The automaker suspended new contributions from its employee PAC “for now” because “events over the past year have underscored the need for a broader, ongoing discussion about other relevant considerations when it comes to our employee PAC.”

FREEPORT-McMoRan: The miner, which sponsors a federal PAC and various local PACs in the states where it operates, said that “in light of the recent events,” its committees have suspended contributions to candidates and will be undertaking a review of such contributions in the future.

DUKE ENERGY: The Charlotte, North Carolina-based utility said it was pausing federal contributions for 30 days.

FIRSTENERGY: The Ohio-based power provider is pausing all political contributions while it evaluates its participation in the political process. The company wants to ensure its donations align with its “corporate values, behaviors and strategies,” spokeswoman Jennifer Young said in an emailed statement.

HILTON: The hotel company says it will not be making political donations “indefinitely” and committed to “any future donations being shared equally across the major parties and only after careful assessment of the recipient’s voting record.” Hilton initially suspended its PAC in March because of the impact of the pandemic.

JPMORGAN CHASE: The largest U.S. bank by assets said it’s planning a six-month suspension to both Republicans and Democrats.

MARATHON PETROLEUM: The oil refiner said it will pause all political contributions while it re-evaluates its approach. “The violence that took place at the Capitol was appalling, and we condemn it unequivocally,” spokesman Jamal Kheiry said.

MICROSOFT: The software company’s PAC decided Friday it won’t make any political donations until it assesses the recent events. The company said its PAC regularly pauses donations in the first quarter of a new Congress but it will “take additional steps this year to consider these recent events and consult with employees.”

MORGAN STANLEY: The bank singled out members of Congress who opposed the move to certify President-elect Joe Biden’s election win, pausing its contributions to them.

SMITHFIELD FOODS: The top global pork producer paused all U.S. federal campaign contributions “until more facts are known” about last week’s events. “Along with millions of our fellow Americans, we were horrified by the recent violence at the U.S. Capitol,” said Keira Lombardo, Smithfield’s chief administrative officer.

UNITED PARCEL SERVICE: The package-delivery company has suspended all contributions for now, a spokesperson said.

VALERO ENERGY: The oil refiner is pausing all political contributions and has no plans to resume them over the next few months. “We will continue to evaluate future contributions to assure they serve the best interest and values of our employees, shareholders, and the communities where we operate,” spokeswoman Lillian Riojas said.

AMERICAN INVESTMENT COUNCIL: The trade group for the private equity industry is halting all donations to candidates. The group is based about 2 miles from the Capitol and is backed including Carlyle Group Inc., Apollo Global Management Inc. and Blackstone Group Inc.

INVESTMENT COMPANY INSTITUTE: Washington’s leading trade association for the asset-management industry says it’s temporarily halting political donations pending a review, a decision that applies to giving to both Republicans and Democrats.

MANAGED FUNDS ASSOCIATION: The hedge fund industry’s main Washington trade group said it will reassess PAC spending.

LOAN SYNDICATIONS AND TRADING ASSOCIATION: The trade group that unites banks and investment firms that operate in the U.S. syndicated loan market is temporarily suspending PAC contributions as it reassesses its 2021 political strategy, according to a spokesman.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-11/here-are- ... -donations

You really get an impression of a pattern here,although maybe they are doing this on principle and don't care about their money trees dying.

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How many of these are lobbyists, political parties or registered political agents....or are they just following the money?

Of course, following the money does have its downside, as Twitter just experienced...$5 billion wiped off its market price in one day.

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I'm sure Twitter and all the others that banned Trump will be just fine. He shouldn't have threatened removing their protection (article 230) because it would have mad Twitter liable for his Tweets. The man is just incapable of thinking.

He is so desperate for attention that his son in law had to persuade him this morning not to join the neo-nazi chat site.

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He is so desperate for attention that his son in law had to persuade him this morning not to join the neo-nazi chat site.

https://www.alternet.org/2021/01/jared-kushner/

The Kushners are of a religion where being associated with Neo-Nazis is not highly endorsed or approved- :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Well when a conga line of your OWN PARTY vote to Impeach you, are truly a Grade A loser -


Washington: Donald Trump has become the first president in US history to be impeached twice after the US House of Representatives found him guilty of inciting last week's deadly riot at the Capitol.

The House voted 232-197 to impeach Trump on Thursday (AEDT) with just a week remaining until the end of his presidency and the start of the Biden administration.

Donald Trump has become the only US president to be impeached twice by the House of Representatives.

The impeachment vote took place in a dramatically fortified Capitol, where hundreds of National Guard troops slept overnight on the floor while guarding the building.

Ten Republicans crossed the aisle to vote to impeach Trump for the "incitement of insurrection", a contrast to December 2019 when all House Republicans voted against impeaching Trump over his dealings with Ukraine.

Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, in a speech before the vote, said: "He must go. He is a clear and present danger to the nation we all love."

Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell announced before the House vote that a Senate trial would not be held until after Democrat Joe Biden's inauguration, meaning Trump will serve out the remainder of his term.

The Senate could still act to ban Trump from seeking political office again if a two-thirds majority votes to convict him of "high crimes and misdemeanours".

Republican congressman Anthony Gonzalez, who voted to impeach Trump, said in a statement: "The President of the United States helped organise and incite a mob that attacked the United States Congress in an attempt to prevent us from completing our solemn duties as prescribed by the constitution."

His Republican colleague Peter Meijer said he had voted with a "heavy heart" to impeach Trump.

"President Trump betrayed his oath of office by seeking to undermine our constitutional process, and he bears responsibility for inciting the insurrection we suffered last week," he said in a statement.


The vast majority of House Republicans voted against impeaching Trump, arguing that it was pointless to impeach him so close to the end of his presidency and that Democrats had rushed the process.

Kevin McCarthy, the Republican House leader, said: "The President bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on congress by mob violence."

He added: "What we saw last week was not the American way. Neither is the continued rhetoric that Joe Biden is not the legitimate president."
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Its easy to take the p1ss out of Donald Trump, but to the day he dies he will always be full of sh1t.

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And if anyone is wondering what state Trump will be leaving the Republican party in, this is a must see. In Georgia a Woman ran for a House seat on the Republican ticket and her opponent backed out for family reasons late in the election handing her the seat uncontested.

Her name is Marjorie Taylor Greene and she's a QAnon nutcase who campaigned with her automatic rifle (very Republican thing this last election).

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Well she is a freshman House representative and a minority due to the Dems controlling the House and she's announced that she is impeaching Joe Biden on day 1. Yes, impeachment. You seriously can't make this stuff up.

Surely one of the senior members will put her in her place but I'm sure the Democrats will be entertained.

The constant embarrassments are causing the party to deteriorate at a fast rate.

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She's also anti-mask and anti-jab.

I wonder if she'd keep those views if infected?

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Impeaching a president before he's even president? Odd.

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She's also anti-mask and anti-jab.

I wonder if she'd keep those views if infected?

''Natural selection.''

Air heads like this will push to the front on the line to get the jab if she tested positive. :idea:

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Impeaching a president before he's even president? Odd.

The "reason" she has given is abuse of power. He will have been President for no more than 36 Hours when she opens her mouth (if she is not told by her seniors the most appropriate orifice to put her motion). I for one will be fascinated with her ability to find an abuse of power from his first 36 hours as President.

Possibly he slammed a door on his way in?

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Impeaching a president before he's even president? Odd.

The "reason" she has given is abuse of power. He will have been President for no more than 36 Hours when she opens her mouth (if she is not told by her seniors the most appropriate orifice to put her motion). I for one will be fascinated with her ability to find an abuse of power from his first 36 hours as President.

Possibly he slammed a door on his way in?

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Marjorie Greene is a gun totin Republican greenhorn blonde congresswoman, and of course had an IQ pass to idolise Trump.

Newsflash Ms Airhead -- greenhorns to Congress cannot walk in and try and impeach ANYONE. Especially from a party with a minority in the house. Not how it works. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

THESE folks can - and DID impeach, and the name on this formal document is Donald Trump, not Joe Biden.


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Is it significant that even though there was no one contesting her election, she still only got 75% of the vote?

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What a shock to anybody not called Donald Trump.
Trump 'refusing to pay' Rudy Giuliani's legal fees after falling out

Rudy Giuliani has been one of Trump’s most loyal and sycophantic supporters.

Donald Trump has fallen out with his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and is refusing to pay the former New York mayor’s legal bills, it was reported, with the president feeling abandoned and frustrated during his last days in office.

Giuliani played a key role in Trump’s failed attempts to overturn the results of November’s presidential election through the courts. The lawyer mounted numerous spurious legal challenges, travelling to swing states won by Joe Biden, and spread false claims the vote was rigged.

According to the Washington Post, relations between Trump and Giuliani have dramatically cooled. Trump has instructed his aides not to pay Giuliani’s outstanding fees. The president is reportedly offended by Giuliani’s demand for $20,000 a day – a figure the lawyer denies, but which is apparently in writing. White House officials have even been told not to put through any of Giuliani’s calls.

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Before The Attack On The Capitol, Some Panic Buttons Were Torn Out

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-electio ... 86678.html

This one example cited being the office of Ayanna Pressley, one of the "Squad" that has been on the receiving end of racist attacks, the group Trump tweeted to go back where they came from.

What the hell was perhaps planned for her, in advance.....?

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There are also reports that significantly greater numbers of "tours" than usual occurred the day before the riot.

Coincidence or reconnaissance?

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All kinds of weird stuff happening with the Capitol mess.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2021/01/13/us-rep-navy-vet-gop ... -expelled/

Also in breaking news, the vehicle that was found with firearms & Molotov cocktails also contained a letter with Ted Cruz's phone numbers.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/cruz-contact-info-found-alleged-pro-trump-rioter-truck

Then you have one of the gun nut freshmen GOP House reps that was Tweeting the House Speaker's (Pelosi) location in the Capitol. She is also a QAnon nutcase that carries a firearm and refuses to use the metal detectors in the House of Representatives.

https://www.salon.com/2021/01/11/qanon-congresswoman-who-liv ... t_partner/

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Lots more coming out everyday.
Unfortunately some of the information coming out may be dreamed up by either side or the media.

The problem with that will always be how to tell what’s real from what’s been dreamed up even if it’s corroborated by multiple sources.

Best to view everything sceptically, after all most of these bits of information aren’t that important in the grand scheme of things.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-15/qanon-shaman-asks-for ... d/13061998

QAnon follower Jacob Chansley is accused of leaving a threatening note for Vice-President Mike Pence.(AFP: Win McNamee)
QAnon follower Jacob Chansley is accused of leaving a threatening note for Vice-President Mike Pence.(AFP: Win McNamee)


Key points:

Mr Chansley's lawyer said his client was not violent and had been encouraged by Mr Trump to enter the Capitol

A former Air Force officer is accused of planning to take members of Congress hostage

A former firefighter is accused of throwing a fire extinguisher at police


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Why does the cynic in me feel the FBI have not been too fast in realising names of those tracked down in the storming of the Capitol.

BECAUSE if they release the names after Trump is gone he CAN'T pardon them. I can imagine Trump pardoning this nutter ... his base will cheer loudly. Sad but true.

Giuliani should have been smart and got on the EARLY parson list, with the other liars and cheats excused so far - Trump will now not his calls or pay his bills. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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I suspect Trump will regret stiffing Guiliani.

He must know a heck of a lot which would be handy for a plea bargain if Trump doesn't come to his senses.

I'm also not sure if your suggested FBI tactic will work. There's precedent for a collective pardon.

All Vietnam war draft dodgers were pardoned en masse. So could all Capitol building invaders be; I suspect.

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All Vietnam war draft dodgers were pardoned en masse. So could all Capitol building invaders be; I suspect.

So this week Congress impeaches him specifically for inciting insurrection on the Capital Building, and later in the week Trump pardons all of those that did it, including the one who murdered the Cop, and the others who stole things from Pelosi office, including a computer etc.

With a Democrats majority house and Senate that move would be overturned with GUSTO I suspect. :lol: :lol: :lol:

They might even really p!ss him off, and overturn ALL his pardons. . who knows - uncharted waters. :lol:
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All Vietnam war draft dodgers were pardoned en masse. So could all Capitol building invaders be; I suspect.
I actually did some research on this one a few days back. The Vietnam thing was really more of a symbolic gesture than a pardon that actually had a need, and occurred more than 10 years after the Draft had been suspended and a few years after draftees had been forest fodder in Vietnam.

As near as I could find, there were no Court challenges to this pardon, there were no people still incarcerated for refusing to be drafted (there were very few in first place), so there was no legal test as to the legality of this pardon.

AFAIK, no Presidential pardons have ever been challenged at SCOTUS level, so it is still a void area. This might change in the coming months.

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I think perhaps you overlooked one aspect Norm. All the young kids who'd run to Canada to escape the draft could never come back to the US before this pardon without risking jail time.

Sure they may not have been picked up, but for them it meant they could get a new US passport with all the benefits that accrues, legally work in the States, and as I understand it, have thsir voting rights restored.

To my mind it doesn't really matter if there were only a few hundred who benefitted; it established the precedent of no-name pardons, which is waiting in the offing now.

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Impeaching a president before he's even president? Odd.

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From Wikipedia.....Various people and groups assert that U.S. president Donald Trump engaged in impeachable activity both before and during his presidency,[1][2] and talk of impeachment began before he took office.[3][4] [ Fox, Emily Jane (December 15, 2016). "Democrats Are Paving the Way to Impeach Donald Trump". Vanity Fair. Archived from the original on December 16, 2016. Retrieved December 15, 2019.
Teachout, Zephyr (November 17, 2016). "Trump's Foreign Business Ties May Violate the Constitution". The New York Times. Archived from the original on January 27, 2017. Retrieved November 17, 2016.] Grounds asserted for impeachment have included possible violations of the Foreign Emoluments Clause of the Constitution by accepting payments from foreign dignitaries; alleged collusion with Russia during the campaign for the 2016 United States presidential election; alleged obstruction of justice with respect to investigation of the collusion claim; and accusations of "Associating the Presidency with White Nationalism, Neo-Nazism and Hatred", which formed the basis of a resolution for impeachment brought on December 6, 2017.

A few notable comments,,,,,"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sought to tamp down pro-impeachment sentiments in the early days of the new Congress, calling it "divisive" and suggesting lawmakers should wait and see how the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election led by special counsel Robert Mueller played out."

"Pelosi repeated her opposition to impeachment in a Washington Post magazine interview in March, words that Republicans have repeatedly pointed to in the months since. She said that "unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don't think we should go down that path, because it divides the country," adding of Trump, "He's just not worth it.""

So what now makes it worth it?

I can think of about 75,000,000 reasons, and this second impeachment 'circus' will not help the country come together....and Pelosi knows it; just as she knows the Senate will not vote to impeach Trump...even CNN acknowledges that....."(CNN)Let's start with what we know almost for sure -- the Senate's impeachment trial of President Donald Trump is likely to end with his acquittal. Conviction would require 20 Republicans to side with Democrats, and at the moment, there's no sign that any Republican senators are ready to vote to remove Trump from office."

Biden's presidency will get of to a stuttering start.....no pun intended.

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Is it significant that even though there was no one contesting her election, she still only got 75% of the vote?
Someone must have forgotten to tell the Democrat voters......

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Lakatoi 4 wrote:
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stallzer wrote:
15 Jan 2021 07:04

Lots more coming out everyday.
Unfortunately some of the information coming out may be dreamed up by either side or the media.

The problem with that will always be how to tell what’s real from what’s been dreamed up even if it’s corroborated by multiple sources.

Best to view everything sceptically, after all most of these bits of information aren’t that important in the grand scheme of things.
Now that is a comment I can agree with....

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I think perhaps you overlooked one aspect Norm. All the young kids who'd run to Canada to escape the draft could never come back to the US before this pardon without risking jail time.

Sure they may not have been picked up, but for them it meant they could get a new US passport with all the benefits that accrues, legally work in the States, and as I understand it, have thsir voting rights restored.

To my mind it doesn't really matter if there were only a few hundred who benefitted; it established the precedent of no-name pardons, which is waiting in the offing now.

Different entirely to armed mobs ransacking the Capitol Building and murdering a cop.
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Is it significant that even though there was no one contesting her election, she still only got 75% of the vote?
Someone must have forgotten to tell the Democrat voters......

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You obviously missed the part where it was stated that the Democratic opponent had to back out of the race due to family issues. One of the Republican House Representatives (Adam Kinzinger R-Illinois) had this to say yesterday.

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...at the moment, there's no sign that any Republican senators are ready to vote to remove Trump from office."
With barely 120 hours left in DT’s presidency he will not be removed from office. It is almost impossible for the senate to move that fast.

However, he could well be convicted after the fact and made ineligible to ever serve again.

And there are plenty of Republican senators who would like that result.

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When dozens of your OWN PARTY plan to vote to impeach you then you are totally STUFFED! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Donald Trump's once iron grip on his party shows further signs of weakening as five Republicans announced they will join Democrats in voting to impeach the president over the attack on the Capitol.

White House officials have told CNN there could be up to 25 House GOP members who will vote to impeach the US President for the second time. Fox News is reporting that there could be up to 20 defections.


Ah Yes, that unimpeachable source..CNN again attempting to make the news.

Actually 10 House republicans voted for the impeachment process and at the present time NO republican senator has indicated they would vote for impeachment, leaving the process in tatters..an inevitable dismissal of the impeachment...even CNN accepts the impeachment process is a waste of time as I wrote earlier (and provided the link)

This isn't about impeachment...it is about revenge.

I invite you to view today's BBC (Hardtalk, Steven Sacker) interview with Alan Dershowitz, not that it will open any closed minds but it does offer a different view of the process

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Ah Yes, that unimpeachable source..CNN again attempting to make the news.
Whom you yourself quoted in your post a few posts above...
I invite you to view today's BBC (Hardtalk, Steven Sacker) interview with Alan Dershowitz, not that it will open any closed minds but it does offer a different view of the process
Ah, yes. Alan Dershowitz. Now THERE’S an unbiased point of view...

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This isn't about impeachment...it is about revenge.
Wrong! This is about making sure this despot can never run again for office. In case you missed it Trump incited a huge riot that got 5 people killed. Tack this on to his 2 month BS claims of election rigging in which we have a clear dereliction of duty.

Instead of being President he completely ignored his country, his oath to the office and his oath to defend the constitution. This is why impeachment is happening, not because of the stellar job he did. We are also still waiting on his health care plan that was 2 weeks out in October.

Here's a snippet of what the moron started.


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Fun fact, Trump is leaving office with the lowest approval rating in history. Hardly Mt Rushmore material.

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...not that it will open any closed minds
And on the subject of closed minds, I for one have a completely open mind. After all these weeks I am still waiting for the promised Kraken evidence of widespread voter fraud and altered voting machines.

To my knowledge - I could be missing a few - there have been three documented instances of voter fraud that took place.

But... bring it on. If you’ve got any actual evidence to share, let’s see it.

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Brit-Col wrote:
16 Jan 2021 04:44
maszki wrote:
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...not that it will open any closed minds
And on the subject of closed minds, I for one have a completely open mind. After all these weeks I am still waiting for the promised Kraken evidence of widespread voter fraud and altered voting machines.

To my knowledge - I could be missing a few - there have been three documented instances of voter fraud that took place.

But... bring it on. If you’ve got any actual evidence to share, let’s see it.

Thank you for FINALLY conceding that there were instances of fraud.

I believe the number of cases now exceeds 1200 or 1300...but who is counting.

Donald has been unable to show that the fraud was widespread or that the election result should be overturned, so the election result stands..Biden is the President elect.

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Or did we just have someone who has developed a pattern of declaring EVERY election he's involved in being rigged?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/11/29/all-t ... 3e730c1d30
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