WTB - JFK (USA - Scott 1246) FDCs

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Re: WTB - JFK (USA - Scott 1246) FDCs

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This arrived today:
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Inside was a rather special JFK FDC, it is the very first John Ranto fdc ever made:
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John Ranto was a prolific US First Day Cover collector and producer of a special line of his own hand made Postal Bulletin FDC's. He produced these covers starting in the 1964 and created them up to just a few years ago. These covers were created by hand folding US Postal Service Bulletins into a standard FDC size and then applying the current issue for the cover in addition to related combination stamps. He cleverly crafted these covers into mostly one-of-a-kind cachets or productions. In the beginning, Mr. Ranto created these covers for his personal collection, but as he enjoyed the process, he did start to create extras that he would trade or sell. Each of his covers is normally signed or initialed on the reverse side, and also coded, but not in every case.

He lived in Hamilton Township NJ & was an active member of the Hamilton Township Stamp Club as well as a Life Member of the American First Day Cover Society (AFDCS). Many of these covers are one-of-a-kind items, although typically he did prepare anywhere from 1-5 of an issue, using different combinations of stamps in many cases.

There are 5 basic types of Ranto Cachets:
1. Stamp issue FDC on the original bulletin for that specific issue
2. Stamp issue FDC on the original bulletin for a previous related topic issue
3. Stamp issue FDC on the photo copied bulletin for that specific issue
4. Stamp issue FDC on the photo copied bulletin for a previous related topic issue
5. Stamp issue FDC on other medium for that specific issue.

I note two things with this cover.

Firstly it had an address label on it, presumably addressed to John Ranto.

Secondly it has Horace D Westbrooks rubber stamp on the reverse & I can think of no plausible reason why it is there
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I guess we will never know the answer to these queries.

Brad :)
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Re: WTB - JFK (USA - Scott 1246) FDCs

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I have just completed showing you the 7 towns I have for Hawaii, I have quite a few more to find, even in the top 20 towns listed below:

Rank Name Population
1 Honolulu 337,256
2 East Honolulu 49,914
3 Pearl City 47,698
4 Hilo 43,263
5 Kailua 38,635
6 Waipahu 38,216
7 Kaneohe 34,597
8 Mililani Town 27,629
9 Kahului 26,337
10 Ewa Gentry 22,690
11 Mililani Mauka 21,039
12 Kihei 20,881
13 Makakilo 18,248
14 Wahiawa 17,821
15 Schofield Barracks 16,370
16 Wailuku 15,313
17 Kapolei 15,186
18 Ewa Beach 14,955
19 Royal Kunia 14,525
20 Halawa 14,014

The ones in red I have, can anyone help me out with the rest please :?:

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I have just added a few more from Idaho but I still have a lot more to find:

1. Boise
2. Nampa
3. Meridian
4. Idaho Falls
5. Pocatello
6. Caldwell
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7. Coeur d'Alene
8. Twin Falls.
9. Lewiston
10. Post Falls

Boise (in red) I have as fdc & while I have a prexie for Caldwell, I still need it as a fdc. So if someone(s) can help me with towns 2 to 10, I would greatly appreciate it.

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Re: WTB - JFK (USA - Scott 1246) FDCs

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I thought you may enjoy a look at a few JFK commemorative issues from some other countries? The small compilation and commentary includes a gem NH OG 1246 and a gem NH OG error 1287.

I will be happy to take a look through my FDC's and see if there's anything that can assist you in your quest as well.
I have a considerable amount of ephemeral material pertaining to JFK, Jacqueline Kennedy and MM as well. Unless of course your interest is strictly Philatelic.

Always willing to volunteer to help.
I was wondering if it would be o.k. if I inserted a link to this unusual piece from snapfish.com.
The rule seems pretty black and white. But it isn't hurting anyone to ask.
I have well over 4 thousand photos and scans on that site and find it to be a great, secure and dependable resource.

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Heatman714

Thank you

If you could post the JFK Commemoratives from other countries on the thread linked below:
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&p=5997737#p5997737
I think your NH OG 1246 & NHOG error 1287 deserve their own thread. If you were to add them to my JFK 1246 fdc collection thread I fear they would become lost.

Thank you for looking for some fdcs for my collection. If you post images of them on this thread please do not use IMGUR as it is against their terms of service.

Yes I am strictly philatelic with JFK & my horse racing collections, I am already thinking of buying the house next door.

Unfortunately The Sheriff here is very strict on links to other sites. Perhaps you could post images on the Board of the better items.

Brad :)
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I was a bit excited when I saw your enthusiasm for JFK FDC's and think you will enjoy seeing this compilation of memorial to JFK.

I'm just giving a good read to the details regarding Image posting, sharing, etc. I did not feel the quality of the photo I took to be within my own standards, no less those of the board.

It was a framed item and sealed. So today when I returned home I removed the item from it's frame to get a good scan. It is going to be easier to store now anyway.

You have some great examples. Additionally I have some decent Horse Racing stamps I'll be happy to send at no charge.

Just give me a bit to sort out this photo posting confusion. I'm missing something, but I'll figure it out.

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A recent acquisition from eBay USA. The question is when was this JFK stamp added to the cover :?:
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Arecibo, Puerto Rico.
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A recent letter from France or is that a French letter.
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And inside was Aunty Norma Jeane with the Kennedy brothers:
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Both postmarked in the Amish town of "Intercourse" Pennsylvania where the movie "Witness" was filmed.
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Marilyn Monroe
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Apparently the French have now banned kissing because of the coronavirus. :shock: :)
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A remarkable auction on eBay finished last night.

Mayfair Stamps is a reputable eBayer, with a 100% feedback rating of over 29,000:

JFK FDC 1964 - Worlds Fair Snip 2A.png
1964 JFK fdc - Scott #1246 not in Mellone - US FDC cachet catalogue.
Postmark Worlds Fair 4 bar cds hand cancel in violet.

Already having this fdc, in this format, I just threw in a small bid & went to bed.

JFK FDC 1964 - Worlds Fair Snip 1.png

To my surprise it sold for $US127.50, or $A184.93, plus postage & for Aussie buyers plus GST, making a total for an Aussie buyer $A210.60. :shock:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mayfairstamps-US-FDC-1964-New-York- ... EBIDX%3AIT
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Thanks to an email from ViccyVFU, I now know why this brought a big price:

JFK Fake.jpg

This is my copy (note different position of postmark to the one above).

JFK's head is inverted :oops:

JFK Fake 1.jpg

So expertly placed it doesn't show on the scan, but you can feel it when you touch the stamp.

JFK Fake 2.jpg
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JFK Fake 4B.jpg

So if do the "head" you may as well do the "eternal flame" as well. :lol:

I have emailed the eBay seller to advise her of the fake.

All I can say is watch for violet cancels from the Worlds Fair.

Thank you Tim. :)
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I had a reply from Mayfair Stamps. They said they would advise the buyer. :)
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All my examples in black are OK from the Worlds Fair:

JFK FDC 1964 - NY Worlds Fair.jpg
Fleetwood cachet (Mellone #42) fdc for Worlds Fair stamp (Scott #1244) with Worlds Fair fdi machine cancel (April 22, 1964) & JFK stamp added (Scott #1246) & cancelled with the Worlds Fair 4 bar cds hand cancel on fdi (May 29, 1964).
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JFK Worlds Fair now relisted as a fake US$1.00

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mayfairstamps-US-FDC-1964-New-York- ... Swn5Ne6MTQ

Good work Mayfair Stamps, an eBay seller with integrity. :)
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US FDC 1964 NY World's Fair JFK Fake Invert

Just to finalise this one, I see this re-auctioned cover has sold as a fake this time for US$18.21. :roll:
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Re: WTB - JFK (USA - Scott 1246) FDCs

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A recent acquisition:
JFK FDC 1964 - Artcraft Atlas 1.jpg
JFK stamp (Scott #1246) Artcraft cachet (Mellone #4) unused
JFK FDC 1964 - Artcraft Atlas 2.jpg
Overprinted on reverse for Atlas Chemical Industries Inc.

The first such cover I have seen unused. All other examples I have seen have been postmarked Boston Massachusetts fdc (machine cancel), type addressed to an Atlas customer with a promotional letter inside. :)
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Re: WTB - JFK (USA - Scott 1246) FDCs

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Some recent acquisitions:
JFK fdcs 1964 A.jpg
1st cachet by AZUSA Chapter D.A.V. cachets (Mellone #21)
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The key fdc for this cachet is the bottom one - Azusa, Calfornia

I think it was Jack Benny who said this town made everything from A to Z in the USA. :D
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