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An exciting new rare ink variety on the KGV 1d red has been found, which is believed worth around $A100,000.

Members here may well have copies of this so far unique stamp - simply as no-one has ever looked for it before. :mrgreen:

It is understood the ink used was a rare batch from Belfast Ireland, from that was supplied under the WW1 ink supply Emergency, that was entirely responsible for the vast range of 1d red KGV head shades.

Printing ink was normally supplied from Germany via agents, and many very strange variants were used as stop-gaps during the War when that supply source ceased.

Moonlight or Quartz Lamp needed

This stamp in daylight looks identical to the normal variety, but oddly, reacts vastly differently under bright moonlight conditions, and the Yellow Quartz Lamp.

The only simple way so far found to distinguish the new discovery from the more usual versions, is to hold it at an approx 45-degree angle to reflected full moonlight, in an outdoor setting.

This stamp was only discovered during the recent "Super Moon" phenomena of March 19, where the ink-mix glowed on the reverse with a distinct Emerald Green tinge to the discoverer.

This phenomena is not observable in direct sunlight, or under the usual artificial fluorescent or Ultra Violet light devices yet tried.

The specialist Yellow Quartz Lamps do show it clearly, but they cost $100s and are not often owned by collectors.

The discovery stamp has an undated Melbourne circular date stamp, and is perforated "OS" for official use, and is sadly, rather badly centred.

It has red ink "Compartment Lines" on at least 3 sides, which, may assist in dating it.
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The discoverer lives in Wollongong NSW, and only discovered his rarity when his house electricity went off during the global "Super Moon" astrological phenomenon of March 19.

The moon was at the closest approach to Earth, which made the moon appear 14% larger than usual.

The collector had 100's of used stamps spread on his desk to sort, and one glowed a curious green in the direct moonlight.

The stamp was bought from a Country Women's Association fund-raiser fair at the small dairy town of Poll, New South Wales, in a bulk lot of pre-war stamps.

It is thought to be from a tiny printing produced with the wrong ink. The sole example known so far, is perforated "OS" for official use.

Others may still exist?

The remaining stamps from the original sheets may have been destroyed, or might still reside in collections - possibly even including those of Stampboards members.

Members are encouraged to check the reverse side of all your 1d red perfin "OS" stamps outside, during the hours of moonlight, or using a Yellow Quartz Lamp.

The house lights are best turned off, to see if you have an example of the rare "Poll Fair OS" 1d shade.

Stamps need to be held at approx 45 degrees in strong moonlight, and are best viewed from the reverse. The error ink has a pale but distinct "Emerald Green" hue.

Emergency batches of red inks were widely used during this WW1 period of issue of the 1d Red KGV head, and 100s of diverse catalogue shades are recognised.

Print inks traditionally came from Germany in this era, and being at War created havoc for stamp printers. "Make-do" supplies needed to be sourced wherever procurable, and anything remotely red in colour was purchased by the Government.

The popular "Lemon Yellow" 4d KGV stemmed from the same source issues with orange ink, and the very recently catalogued sub shade "Lime Yellow" (ACSC 100d, Cat $500) took 90 years to be recognised and accepted.
Copper Acetoarsenite is the culprit?
A University chemist who is a keen KGV collector has examined the new 1d discovery, and advances the theory that Copper Acetoarsenite was likely added to a small batch of the red ink mix from Ireland, for reasons unknown.

Most commonly known as "Paris Green" this aniline compound was used as a fade free paint by many leading artists including Van Gogh, Cezanne and Monet.

Until this new discovery the most expensive 1d red shade is the Salmon Eosin Pink group. Over 1000 copies are recorded, yet they still get quite mad prices at Auctions.

The only way to verify the expensive Salmon Eosin shades is similar to the "Moonlight Green" discovery - special lighting is needed.

The Phoenix Auction of February 25th, 2011 had a nice looking Pink Eosin example, also perforated "OS" with an estimate $2,400. After frantic bidding this copy - lot 1194 - was invoiced for $A8,155.
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The 1d Eosin group shades are not listed or priced in Stanley Gibbons, yet clearly they still bring quite incredible prices, despite the surprisingly vast numbers now recorded.

Many dozens of them were found in the "Salzburg Tea Chest" hoard of unchecked 1d reds only a few years back, by stampboards member "Koala", also with all kinds of un-recorded KGV head major rarities - https://www.glenstephens.com/snjanuary11.html

The "Poll Fair OS" 1d Red discovery was mailed to Glen Stephens for verification, and he is shown holding it outside one evening, and verifies the strange Emerald colour reaction.

"Really Lights up like a green volcano when moonlight falls on the reverse"

It was offered to KGV specialist Arthur Gray for direct purchase for $100,000, but he declined.

It has been submitted to the Royal Philatelic Society Victoria for a certificate I understand, and will apparently be listed in the next ACSC for a reported $100,000 - this example so far being unique.

The stamp is scheduled to be on the front cover of the next "Stamp News".

Other scarce Australian items such as the used 5/- Kangaroo sideways watermark (in poor condition) sold for $A118,000 at the Arthur Gray sale, and other Kangaroo pieces have obtained far higher prices than that.

The Tete-Beche 2d red pair is listed in the ACSC at $250,000 - and that price is 5 years old.
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Additions to the ink such as the 'Aniline' in pink shows up under UV light on the 10/- Kangaroo issues - making them very valuable in the case of the last 2 watermarks.

The owner has suggested the new error be referred to as the "Moonlight Green" shade 1d Red.

Hugh Jefferies the editor of the Stanley Gibbons catalogue has also been advised, with a view to adding the listing.

It was requested the stamp be made available to take to the stampboard meeting at 'EXPO 2011' at the Sydney Showgrounds on April 2 at 11am. Suitable insurance cover is hopefully being organised, to achieve that end.

There may well be more copies to be discovered by eagle eyed members. Please report all finds of "Moonlight Green" shade 1d Reds to me, and I'll note them for the record.
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Wow, remarkable find.

Wish I could be at the Expo to see it...
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Global Administrator wrote:
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New "Moonlight Green" 1d Red KGV Shade confirmed - cat value $100,000
I must be colour blind, that don't look green to me :lol:
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Catweazle, I've underlined the relevant bits for you:
Global Administrator wrote:This stamp in daylight looks identical to the normal variety, but oddly, reacts vastly differently under bright moonlight conditions, and the Yellow Quartz Lamp.

The only simple way so far found to distinguish the new discovery from the more usual versions, is to hold it at an approx 45-degree angle to reflected full moonlight, in an outdoor setting.

This stamp was only discovered during the recent "Super Moon" phenomena of March 19, where the ink-mix glowed on the reverse with a distinct Emerald Green tinge to the discoverer.

This phenomena is not observable in direct sunlight, or under the usual artificial fluorescent or Ultra Violet light devices yet tried.
So presumably that's why a scan shows it as red, not green - I'm sure Glen can confirm :arrow:
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Very interesting find.
I will have a look through my collection!
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Another valuable variety to watch out for, *groan*. On the one hand I don't collect Australia, but on the other hand I'm tempted sometimes to take a 'lucky dip' at buying a collection in the hope of finding one of these cliches or re-entries or myriad other 'things' that happened during the print run of these stamps. At least this variety should be easier to spot than fly-specks. :D
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How curious. But not nearly so interesting nor rare as the 1879 "Bhor Blush" 1 anna. As far as I know it's the rarest of all Indian samps! Have to check with Tony. :)
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It is amazing that nearly 100 years after it was first issued, new varieties of this stamp can still be found.

And to think that when I first started collecting KGV heads in 2001, I was able to pick up 1d Reds for practically nothing.
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The specialist Yellow Quartz Lamps do show it clearly, but they cost $100s and are not often owned by collectors.
This is the most important line in the whole article for me. I don't have the time to wait for moonlight comming behind the clouds, so Glen tell us (me) more about this lamp!

Which company bring it out on the market, are ther differences in these lamps like quality and price?

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Stamp Culture wrote:Which company bring it out on the market, are ther differences in these lamps like quality and price?
I suppose the key thing is to know the exact wavelength of light will show the "Moonlight Green" and then search for a light of that exact wavelength.

Could be an expensive purchase on the off-chance of finding one stamp. :idea:
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Well, who knows how many other stamps from other countries might react like this with moonlight? It could be an expensive purchase, but you could also make a few more discoveries . . .

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Look back through this post to see just how bad the hot pink background is...
both for looking at stamp colors and for making colored text impossible to read!

For a second that red stamp actually looked green itself because my eyes were accomodating to the pink!

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A great thread :D
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Very good Glen !!!
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I also found one of these shades last Oct. it was a Die2 they are very very rare.

Stamp Culture - You can use these lamps for many things, I use the Yellow Quartz lamps in the back yard to help the grass grow (it's been a dull summer in Victoria this year)

But I should warn you they do have some draw backs, for example I was checking the Die2 stamp in the daylight against some other shades when a gust of wind blew them of the Hagner sheet onto the grass.

I found all the others but the "Moonlight Green" had just blended in with the grass, by the time I had turned the Yellow Quartz lamp off and they had cooled down the stamp was nowhere to be found.

Well you win some and lose some. :twisted:

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This is a very sad story David- I hope other members heed your warning.
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Good morning!

Mowbrays may be able to supply some of the special yellow quartz lamps for those desperate to view Australian 1d red King George V stamps.

For further information please contact my colleague Arna: arna[at]mowbrays.co.nz

It will be well worth your while.

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I can't see too many of these turning up in England - too cloudy and not enough moonlight.
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Ooooh! I kinda like the yellow background of the board.

I didn't like the green, or the pink.

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The moon is just rising here in North Carolina USA and I think I may have one. I have a quartz light too so I can double check. Update later.

By the way, on somewhat of a tangent, I must say that the description "needs to be held at approx 45 degrees in strong moonlight, and are best viewed from the reverse" very strongly applies to a young lady ( a Sheila I think you call them in Oz :mrgreen:) I dated many moon ago in my youth.

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Isn't it more easily distinguished by the shamrock leaf watermark?

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muruk wrote:Isn't it more easily distinguished by the shamrock leaf watermark?
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Kaygeevee wrote:
I also found one of these shades last Oct. it was a Die 2 they are very very rare.
Good to hear that at least one other has surfaced.

No reason whatever that both Die 1 and Die 2 will not exist.

So that takes the tally to two copies so far. Hopefully a few more will turn up.
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What an amazing discovery!

Does the phase of the moon make any difference to the shade??

Have you checked all your supplies Glen??

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If your stamp is worth $100,000 Glen, then the one I just found using my own Quartz Yellow light that I made last night, must be worth at least double because mine has an inverted watermark.

These sorts of times are when I thank goodness that my counsellors talked me into doing an Electrical Apprenticeship.

Unlike the rest of you I was able to make the lamp using bits and pieces of electrical stuff in my shed.
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Nice find. 8)

Like Die 2s, inverted watermarks were not uncommon on the 1d, so seems like more of these exist than was first thought. :idea:

The Quartz Lamps have always been heavily recommended but I could never bring myself to pay the $100s asked - wish I could build my own!
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gavin-h wrote:
Stamp Culture wrote:Which company bring it out on the market, are ther differences in these lamps like quality and price?
Could be an expensive purchase on the off-chance of finding one stamp. :idea:
But as Glen says about expensive catalogues and literature, "one find will pay for the cost of the book right there, so worth the investment". :!:
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Looks like you never know what more rarities you may find.
Makes you want to be very careful about throwing anything that looks common.
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It looks like the ink that was used for this was also used for at least one printing of the 1d Kangaroo. This pair I can confirm reacts in exactly the same manner as the 1d George V. More excitingly, this pair has sideways wmk.

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Even rarer than the colour and the sideways watermark Peter is that they were also printed inverted. The cancellation is the first clue here! :lol:
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Glen sent the stamp to me a few days ago as I own a Yellow Quartz Light and has asked me to post an image of the new discovery. (Please be aware that a true yellow quartz light is very expensive and there are cheap imitations which cannot generate the correct true to life wavelength required).

This type of light throws an almost identical wavelength to natural strong moonlight and so gives a very realistic result of the actual colour shown.

You will note that like natural moonlight, the paper itself also casts a bluish tinge as you would expect when viewing lighter toned paper under moonlight. (This may depend on your monitor settings to see the paper tinge).

A Raman Spectroscopy test was also undertaken on the stamp and it has confirmed that there is no evidence of any physical damage to the stamp or residual chemical alteration.

Truly a magnificent new item to be on the lookout for!

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gavin-h wrote:Catweazle, I've underlined the relevant bits for you:
Global Administrator wrote:This stamp in daylight looks identical to the normal variety, but oddly, reacts vastly differently under bright moonlight conditions, and the Yellow Quartz Lamp.

The only simple way so far found to distinguish the new discovery from the more usual versions, is to hold it at an approx 45-degree angle to reflected full moonlight, in an outdoor setting.

This stamp was only discovered during the recent "Super Moon" phenomena of March 19, where the ink-mix glowed on the reverse with a distinct Emerald Green tinge to the discoverer.

This phenomena is not observable in direct sunlight, or under the usual artificial fluorescent or Ultra Violet light devices yet tried.
So presumably that's why a scan shows it as red, not green - I'm sure Glen can confirm :arrow:
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Allanswood - yes that looks like the Moonlight Green glow.

The ACSC tells us many of the shades have a BLUE hue under UV light, like the #10 notes here in particular.

So Green is just a variant on that.
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Kaygeevee wrote:I use the Yellow Quartz lamps in the back yard to help the grass grow (it's been a dull summer in Victoria this year)
Where do you buy these things then?
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I believe a glass or two of red may also help with shades like this,
boosts the pigmentation in the eyes. If this is tried at the stampboards dinner
please post the results!

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Glen, thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Its amazing, Ive found that after 8 pints of Stella, and its only 11am in UK, that if I use my new LED torch (Esso garage, £1.99, shaped like a ladybird) most of my collection looks green, including the charity kiloware, in fact so do I.

Ive just rung my work and told them that I seem to have a stamp collection worth millions and they can stick their job, I dont need it.

Again, Glen, thank you, I will send it off to you, and await your cheque by return!
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garyspan wrote:Ive just rung my work and told them that I seem to have a stamp collection worth millions and they can stick their job, I dont need it.

Again, Glen, thank you, I will send it off to you, and await your cheque by return!
Gary, send it to me and save all that expensive airmail postage to Oz.

I'll even pay more - and you can keep the change:

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Oh my goodness Gavin, so kind
its ok though I do have change, got loads of them in fact.
Not sure what the exchange rate is tho!
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This will buy a pint of beer by this time next year I'm afraid :lol:
garyspan wrote:Oh my goodness Gavin, so kind
its ok though I do have change, got loads of them in fact.
Not sure what the exchange rate is tho!
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Excellent! that wil be good, because nobody will take them at the moment!
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tooler wrote:
This will buy a pint of beer by this time next year I'm afraid :lol:
Hey it could be NEW ZEALAND DOLLARS . . then you really are in trouble.. :lol:
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I have a huge box of KGV and spent all night looking through them.

Finally found one and was holding it up in the moonlight and an owl swooped and took it from me.

It turned out ok as after many hours of looking through the bush I found it, and after straightening it out in my 'desert magic book' it is now a newly discovered perfin as well with a random sized punctures through it, should be worth more as a perfin, I hope.
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good one norm. :roll:
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dukeprince wrote:I have a huge box of KGV and spent all night looking through them.

Finally found one and was holding it up in the moonlight and an owl swooped and took it from me.

Well most birds are attracted to blue and green coloured objects, so be mindful of that. 8)
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Insurance cover has been arranged, and the $100,000 'Moonlight Green' 1d Red will be on display at the stampboards meeting tomorrow, Sunday 11am at the huge "EXPO 2011" in Sydney.

We had a special chocolate cake made, with the stamp cleverly printed onto the edible icing, that will be shared at the 6pm Sunday Stampboards dinner.

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Nice cake !!
Very good
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Did the bakery think you're a Footy team or something, and write "Poll Fair Os"? (small 's')
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Skippy wrote:Nice cake !!

Very good
More photos of the cake!

Stampboards Meeting takes place in 12 hours!
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Lets face the facts, this so called 1 off will last about 5 seconds when everyone decides to check their stocks.

The price will plummett to $1000, by the end of the week.
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Well so far a Die 2 and an inverted watermark example have surfaced due to this thread, so yes the price will drop.
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