Image of the 'Crown to Right of CA' watermark detail?

[Woof]

Hello to all,

My question is what does 'wmk crown to right of CA' mean when the crown is surrounded by CA's in the multiple wmk's. The stamps I am looking at are the leaping tigers of the Malaysian Federation.

Does it mean that the crown is out of alignment of the CA below and not central? And if this is so, is this as seen from the back of the stamp?

Any help on this would be gratefully appreciated as it's been driving me nuts.

Kind regards to all

[Allanswood]

It all depends on which way the CA is facing while looking through from the front of the stamp.

The crown sits on top of the CA as you read the lettering so..
If the CA has the base of the crown on top and to the right or
if the CA has the base of the crown on top and to the left.

There are 8 directions that the CA Crown can face, 4 have been printed on the correct side of the paper and 4 have been printed on the wrong side of the paper. Not that all issues will have 8 varieties though.

Draw a CA and crown on a piece of paper and then turn it 180° and you'll see it.

(It's not an alignment thing.)

edit: scan down this thread for some images of the differences:
http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=20957&hilit=+watermark

[Woof]

No, sorry still not with you. I did draw a crown with a CA on a bit of paper turned it 180 degrees and yes it's now upside down??? When the CA has the crown left as well as right, still don't understand what wmk crown to right of CA means ???

[Allanswood]

The crown only faces one way - it has a base!
The base of the crown sits on top of the CA.
So it's either pointing its top the right or to the left.



The forth watermark (the one I've labelled "sideways"), is showing a crown to the right.
If you draw that same image and turn it 180° it will then show crown to the left.

[muruk]

It is a description for the orientation of the watermark relative to the stamp.

It does not describe variations within the watermark.

There are four possible orientations for this type of watermark:

Upright
Inverted = rotated 180 degrees
Sideways (crown at the left) = rotated 90 degrees anti-clockwise
Sideways (crown at the right) = rotated 90 degrees clockwise

If the paper is then put into the printing press upside-down, the four orientations can also each be reversed, making 8 possible combinations, as Allanswood said.

This description is used for both single and multiple watermarks (per stamp). With the multiple watermarks, you first need to identify the block that is repeated so that you can work out its orientation.

[waroff49]

I have a feeling some of the TIGERs were printed with the watermark sideways, which will mean the point of the crown is either to the left or right. One of these directions is normal for the sideways printing.
I am away at the moment , so I don't have my catalogues with me.

[Woof]

Right! Got you now

Thanks for the help guys. Oh and by the way waroff49, you're right, the tigers do have sideways wmks - easy now!

[waroff49]

A pleasure to help. The tigers and elephants are my main collecting items at the moment.

[Slayer]

HI Woof

Thanks for this thread (and those who responded)- for some time I have pondered what "crown to right of CA" meant and I am amazed to find it simply means a sideways watermark! Why couldn't they have just called it a sideways watermark?

[Woof]

Yes, but a sideways watermark with the top of the crown/s pointing right (as viewed from the back). So simple when it's said it like that! And I thought it was an 'alignment thing' because the crown was surrounded by crowns left as well as right. Still problem solved!

[Global Admin]

Every SG catalogue in the preface has images for what they refer to with GB issues, and it is useful for many other issues too - with Reversed and sideways and sideways reversed etc.