Sportsmen on Stamps - are these Real Persons or drawn in?

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 09 Mar 2023 01:07

Here's a photo of the Spanish squad in that match:

Left to right: Jose Antonio Camacho, Tomas, Francisco, Julio Salinas, Andoni Goicoechea, Ramon Caldere, Victor, Michel, Gallego, Andoni Zubizarreta, Emilio Butragueno

As to me, the right variants for the footballer in the mini sheet might be Francisco or Michel.

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 09 Mar 2023 07:47

Another football puzzle - who is the player in a white sweater, to the left and down of Mauro Ramos, the Brazilian captain at the 1962 FIFA World Cup?

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 09 Mar 2023 18:46

vicaf60 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2023 21:37 Help is needed with these 2 Cuban stamps from the 2021 Olympic set of six:

I have identified all athletes in the rest of the set (4 stamps and a mini sheet) but failed with these two

Any hints or ideas as to the names of the athletes in the stamps (the design is photography-based)?

The enigma of the first (boxing) stamp seems to have been solved thanks to a colleage in the Russian-language forum - the boxers are Omar Rosario Garcia, Puerto Rico (left) and Andy Cruz Gómez, Cuba, at the Central American and Carribian Games in 2018 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXim6iNIx9Y

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 09 Mar 2023 19:06

Regarding the Brazilian player. Are you sure it's a player? He's wearing a sweater, not a shirt as might be expected.

If I had to pick a player from the squad I'd go for the keeper, Gilmar:

The team:

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 09 Mar 2023 22:01

Sargonnas wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023 19:06 Regarding the Brazilian player. Are you sure it's a player? He's wearing a sweater, not a shirt as might be expected.

The team:

No, I'm not sure at all

Here is a more general photo - it's difficult to say whether all the crowd around Ramos are journalists, or at least some of them are squad members who had already changed their dress:

In any case, Gilmar does not fit - he had no mustache at that time.

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 09 Mar 2023 22:31

I found this much clearer picture of the guy

He doesn't fit any Brazilian player of the 1962 squad and he's wearing a vest and a poloshirt. I think we can safely assume he's not a player.

Jose Paulo · Post by **Jose Paulo** » 09 Mar 2023 23:31

vicaf60 wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023 07:47 Another football puzzle - who is the player in a white sweater, to the left and down of Mauro Ramos, the Brazilian captain at the 1962 FIFA World Cup?

Doesn't look like any player from the 1962 Brazilian team.

Ubobo.R.O. · Post by **Ubobo.R.O.** » 09 Mar 2023 23:35

He is probably part of team management.

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 05 Apr 2023 01:03

Can anybody help recognize the cycling champion at the left? It looks familiar but I can't recall the name

anichat · Post by **anichat** » 05 Apr 2023 02:27

Coud it be Louison Bobet?

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 05 Apr 2023 02:42

That might be him, thanks much, Ani

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 28 Apr 2023 01:47

The question is traditional - a real footballer or a designer's / computer creation (the player pn the left)?

It is a flipped version of a photo (?) that is widely used in the internet, however, anonymous in every case

The goalkeeper on the right is Iker Casillas from Spain.

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 28 Apr 2023 02:17

I think he is computer generated. I've used four different face check programs and as you said, only this picture pops up. His shirt also doesn't represent any country or club.

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 28 Apr 2023 02:30

Thanks much for your input, Danny

I am, too, inclined to believe that the designed from Karabakh had just picked suitable pictures from the internet that reflected his/her vision of the created stamps, without caring much whether these are real persons or "advertising creations".

Yet, I had to ask for other opinions, as I do not consider myself too great an expert in the matter

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 28 Apr 2023 02:42

And here is a reverse quiz.

Here is a photo of Vhristiano Ronaldo from Portugal who was a part of the Portuguese Olympic squad in 2004.

I remember seeing this same design on a stamp, not long ago, but I can't recall the stamp. Or is it a "false memory"?

Could anybody help?

anichat · Post by **anichat** » 29 Apr 2023 22:36

vicaf60 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023 02:30 Thanks much for your input, Danny

I am, too, inclined to believe that the designed from Karabakh had just picked suitable pictures from the internet that reflected his/her vision of the created stamps, without caring much whether these are real persons or "advertising creations".

Yet, I had to ask for other opinions, as I do not consider myself too great an expert in the matter

The pic of the player taking a volley is a free image available on a site called PNGWING offering free images.

anichat · Post by **anichat** » 29 Apr 2023 22:51

vicaf60 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023 02:42 And here is a reverse quiz.

Here is a photo of Vhristiano Ronaldo from Portugal who was a part of the Portuguese Olympic squad in 2004.

I remember seeing this same design on a stamp, not long ago, but I can't recall the stamp. Or is it a "false memory"?

Could anybody help?

Closest I have come is this seemingly wallpaper like issue:

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 04 May 2023 06:41

Thanks for your input, Ani, but it's not I am looking for

I remember (if it is not a false memory) seeing a stamp with a footballer design like in the photo. It was simplified and anonimous, yet it look very similar to this on in the photo.

Meanwhile, can anybody identify the match for this Italian line-up?

Sorry for the quality of the scan - I have failed to find a better one

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 04 May 2023 18:33

vicaf60 wrote: ↑04 May 2023 06:41
Meanwhile, can anybody identify the match for this Italian line-up?

Task solved

It is a World Cup qualifier match against Yugoslavia on October 17, 1981 in Belgrade.

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 05 May 2023 07:23

Opinions need - am I right to identify the footballer in this stamp from St. Vincent as Hugo Sanchez Marquez?

And help is neede with reconizing this Mexican footballer:

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 05 May 2023 08:52

Difficult to say for Hugo Sanchez. It could also be Francisco Cruz:

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 05 May 2023 09:03

As to me, the hair style looks more like Sanchez

Two more stamps from the same set - it seems to represet an episode from the final match at the 1984 Euro between France and Spain, with the Spanish No. 10 being Ricardo Gallego. Am I right?

Who is the French footballer? Again, I've failed to find the original photo

Italy vs England. The English footballer is Mark Hateley. And who is the Italian?

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 05 May 2023 09:18

The Spanish player is indeed Gallego.

I think the French player is Bruno Bellone

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 05 May 2023 09:45

The Italian player is most likely Guiseppe Bergomi

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 05 May 2023 10:05

Agree to both

Thanks much, Danny

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 07 May 2023 01:41

This time not a question, just a recent find

In 1989, St. Vincent commemorated with s set of stamps the 25th anniversary of launcjing the TELSTAR II telecommunication satellite.

One of the stamps presents Lidiya Skoblikova, a Sovier speed skater who won all 4 gold medals at the 1964 Winter Olympics in Innsbruck, Austria.

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 07 May 2023 06:48

And now a question

St.Vincent 1990 set for the World Cup. The footballer in red is Jan Ceulemans of Belgium. And who is his counterpart?

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 10 May 2023 08:35

Can anybody identify the match this Cameroonian line-up is for?

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 10 May 2023 08:59

vicaf60 wrote: ↑07 May 2023 06:48 And now a question

St.Vincent 1990 set for the World Cup. The footballer in red is Jan Ceulemans of Belgium. And who is his counterpart?

It looks like a moment in the Belgium vs USSR match in 1986. Ceulemans was captain in that match and the outfit of the other player matches the Russian outfit during that match.

Could it be Vasily Rats?

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 10 May 2023 09:35

Thanks for your interest in the thread, Danny

My first thought was, too, a game against the USSR. There's some soimilarity in the uniforms, but the sleeves in that match were short, while they are long in the photo

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 15 May 2023 20:04

Good point there, missed that one.

I've checked all the big tournaments in the 1980's for Belgium and the shirts do not match. I think after comparing that this shot is taken from a WC qualification match for the 1990 World Cup. Belgium played against Switzerland on October 19th, 1990. This would explain the long sleeves.

The outfit from the Switzerland team also matches the photo but there's a lack of photo's from that specific match. I'll look into it ewhen I get home. Here's a link to the match report.

https://italia1990.com/uefa/group-7/belgium-switzerland/

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 15 May 2023 22:12

Thanks for trying, Danny, yet, it's not that match - the Switzerland team had dark "ribbons" on the sleeves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ-TDv_5W-w

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 15 May 2023 22:56

I'm not done trying yet.

This WC qualifying match fits perfect I think

April 29th 1989: Belgium-Czechoslovakia 2-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyPrt6nDHY0

The shirts are correct

and I think I got the Czech player

Lubomir Vlk

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 16 May 2023 05:40

Now, it's exact hitting

Thanks, Danny, I can exclude this stamp from Olympic candidates

- none of the Czechoslovakian footballers in that match competed at the Olympics, nor did Ceulemans.

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 16 May 2023 06:50

vicaf60 wrote: ↑10 May 2023 08:35 Can anybody identify the match this Cameroonian line-up is for?

I cannot find the photo from the stamp so I tried to get the right year when it was taken. It seem according to the Cameroonian outfit it must have been somewhere around 1993. I found one photo with a player wearing the outfit:

: Emile M'Bouh

Seeing all the officials are also from Africa I suspect it's from a 1993 World Cup qualifying match. I found one other team photo from these matches:

: Team photo just before the match against Zimbabwe

The matches they played during qualification were:

18/04/1993 Cameroon - Guinea 3:1
04/07/1993 Zimbabwe - Cameroon 1:0
18/07/1993 Guinea - Cameroon 0:1
10/10/1993 Cameroon - Zimbabwe 3:1

My guess it's from one of these matches but there's precious little to find on Google....

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 16 May 2023 08:25

Thanks again, Danny

I've managed to find incomplete lines-up of Cameroon in those matches.

There is a strong probability that their golakeeper Joseph-Antoine Bell played in all four matches. He was a 1984 Summer Olympian, so the stamp goes to my list

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 25 May 2023 19:08

Can anybody recognize the two Juventus footballers in the photograph?

The footballer in the centre is Franco Baresi. It is presumably a match between Milan and Juventus in December 1990.

And one more photo - Milan winning the European Cup Winners' Cup in 1968. The man with the Cup in the centre is the club's chairman Franco Carraro, the first footballer on the left is Giovanni Lodetti. Who are the other two& Am I right to suppose that the one on the right is Gianni Rivera, the team's captain at the time?

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 25 May 2023 19:33

I cannot get any pics at the moment but I think the player sliding is Roberto Baggio.

The line up for the match was:

GK Stefano Tacconi
Dario Bonetti
Gianluca Luppi
Thomas Hassler
Luigi de Agostini
Giancarlo Marocchi
Eugenio Corini
Marco de Marchi
Roberto Baggio
Salvatore Schillaci
Paolo di Canio

Subs:

Angelo Alessio
Roberto Galia

Milan won the match 2-0

https://www.worldfootball.net/report/serie-a-1990-1991-ac-milan-juventus/

MaJu · Post by **MaJu** » 25 May 2023 22:22

vicaf60 wrote: ↑25 May 2023 19:08 Who are the other two& Am I right to suppose that the one on the right is Gianni Rivera, the team's captain at the time?

Not sure, but to me, the player on the right looks like Karlheinz Schnellinger. And the second player from the left may be Angelo Anquilletti.

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 25 May 2023 23:12

MaJu wrote: ↑25 May 2023 22:22
vicaf60 wrote: ↑25 May 2023 19:08 Who are the other two& Am I right to suppose that the one on the right is Gianni Rivera, the team's captain at the time?
Not sure, but to me, the player on the right looks like Karlheinz Schnellinger.

For sure it's him. However, he was the least required

- he got no place on the stamp:

AC Milan team group: (back row, l-r) Pierino Prati, Gianni Rivera, Malatrasi, Roberto Rosato, ?, Karl-Heinz Schnellinger, Fabio Cudicini; (front row, l-r) Sormani, ?, Angelo Anquilletti, Giovanni Lodetti

What I mostly need is a confirmation of Franco Baresi's presence (beside the names of the two footballers)

acp6 · Post by **acp6** » 25 May 2023 23:28

Hello,
The footballer next to Carraro is Roberto Rosato,in the photo below is the fourth player from the left standing:

Sargonnas wrote: ↑25 May 2023 19:33 I cannot get any pics at the moment but I think the player sliding is Roberto Baggio.

I think you are right and the other player is Pierluigi Casiraghi:

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 25 May 2023 23:32

The player most to the left is Giovanni Lodetti

I'll post a picture later.

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 26 May 2023 01:10

Here's Lodetti:

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 26 May 2023 03:22

I did a more thorough search on the Juventus-AC Milan game photo.

It's impossible to have both Baggio and Casiraghi in the same picture as they didn't play together during AC Milan - Juventus games that season (1990/1991).

The first game they played together against Milan is on 9/2/1992. So if we agree on the players then it has to be this match.

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 26 May 2023 03:29

Thank you, Danny, Marcus and acp6

acp6 wrote: ↑25 May 2023 23:28 Hello,
The footballer next to Carraro is Roberto Rosato,in the photo below is the fourth player from the left standing:

MaJu wrote: ↑25 May 2023 22:22 the second player from the left may be Angelo Anquilletti.

Now, the whole important group in the stamp is solved

(left to right) Nereo Rocco, the coach (and the Olympic team co-coach in 1960), Giovanni Lodetti, Angelo Anquilletti, Franco Carraro, the club chairman (and the president of the CONI and a member of the IOC), and Roberto Rosato.

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 26 May 2023 03:37

Sargonnas wrote: ↑26 May 2023 03:22 I did a more thorough search on the Juventus-AC Milan game photo.

It's impossible to have both Baggio and Casiraghi in the same picture as they didn't play together during AC Milan - Juventus games that season (1990/1991).

The first game they played together against Milan is on 9/2/1992. So if we agree on the players then it has to be this match.

I was not sure of the game, and you must be right - anyway, the match date is before the issue date of the mini sheet

For me, the most important thing here is that there's only one Olympian in the stamp - Franco Baresi

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 26 May 2023 17:55

Has anybody information on the match of this stamp with Gianni Rivera? What teams? When?

Sargonnas · Post by **Sargonnas** » 27 May 2023 00:58

It will be AC Milan for Rivera as he played almost his whole career there. It is the Milan away shirt he's wearing but it's more difficult to determine the opponent. I'll give it a try.

vicaf60 · Post by **vicaf60** » 27 May 2023 02:20

Possibly, the Majestic banner will help? It does not say anything to me, yet

acp6 · Post by **acp6** » 27 May 2023 02:23

vicaf60 wrote: ↑26 May 2023 17:55 Has anybody information on the match of this stamp with Gianni Rivera? What teams? When?

The match is probably Bologna vs Milan,if so the Bologna's player on the right could be Ivan Gregori

A match Bologna vs Milan held on 20 January 1974
https://youtu.be/eQh_PcCzAfY