WWI era German and Regional Banknotes - NOTGELD issues etc

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Re: Can someone identify these German language notes for me?

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Thanks MaJu!
I was allready wondering if I translated Ahn' correctly.
And I never would have found that Oarn could be Ernte!
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Re: Can someone identify these German language notes for me?

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MaJu wrote:
muruk wrote:
Stewie1980 wrote:Ahn' Saat keen Oarn! Ahn' Arbeit keen Pris!
On seed no ..?..! On labour no price!
On seed no ear? ... as in ears of wheat?
"Ahn" means "ohne" (without).
And I strongly think that "Oarn" stands, in this dialect, for "Ernte" (harvest), and then it makes easily sense:
No harvest without seed, no prize without labour.
I would suggest: no wages (or income) without work.
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They use that line in The King and I. 8)
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Re: Can someone identify these German language notes for me?

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Very interesting, these notes were well designed and added some whimsy to the process. It was at a time of great unstability and before the great inflation of 1923 got underway.

Reminds me too of when in the 1970s, Italian shopkeepers offered gave small change in lollies as there was a shortage of lower value coins (10 and 5 lire coins I think).
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Re: Can someone identify these German language notes for me?

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I remember that too Princestamps, I was stunned when a shopkeeper game me lollies instead of change, I thought he was having me on. :lol:

I would have preferred the notes above although Italy did produce L100 notes when they didn't have enough coin.

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=11946
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Brummie wrote:I remember that too Princestamps, I was stunned when a shopkeeper game me lollies instead of change, I thought he was having me on. :lol:

I would have preferred the notes above although Italy did produce L100 notes when they didn't have enough coin.

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=11946

The only time I was in Italy, 1985, it was L2400 to the pound. A bottle of reasonable wine at dinner was L2000.00.
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Princestamps wrote:
Reminds me too of when in the 1970s, Italian shopkeepers offered gave small change in lollies as there was a shortage of lower value coins (10 and 5 lire coins I think).
I remember that too- sometimes you also got gettone (telephone tokens).

If you'd kept the lollies you could still eat them but Im assuming gettone have gone the way of buggy whips?
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Re: Germany Note Geld or Notgeld currency banknotes

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Have merged a couple of threads to keep the interesting info all in one place. 8)
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Re: Germany Note Geld or Notgeld currency banknotes

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Hi,

The story of MINI ASSEGNI (mini cashier's check) in Italy

In Italy in the mid-seventies, the amount of currency in circulation was no longer enough.
The reasons are several: first, inflation. Between 1974 and 1977, inflation is defined galloping, this forces the National Mint to issue banknotes and not coins. Then the juke box, pinball machines, ticket machines, the tourists that take away as a souvenir.
Legend has it that the blame for the disappearance of coins was also due to goldsmiths from Japan, to achieve the coffers of their watches, they used the excellent alloy of our coinage.
The shopkeepers do not know what to invent and trimmed to give the rest to the buyer of everything: tokens for phone, chocolates, candies, chewing gum, patches, pencils, stamps.
This happens until 10 December 1975, when it appears a mini cashier's check, equal to those perfectly ordinary, if not in size (only 11 inches to 6), issued by the San Paolo di Torino Bank and made payable to the Association of Turin traders, for an amount of 100 Lire.
From that day the banks multiply themselves until they become 32, excluding non-existent banks coined by the fakemakers, and issue checks from 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300 to 350 lire for a total of $ 200 billion.
The mini-checks helped retailers and buyers until the National Mint in 1978, put in issue the new currency 200 lire and other smaller pieces of 100 and 50.

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Re: German Notgelden Bielefeld Anybody know value?

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Lundy wrote:Hi all,

As occasionally happens I found something other than stamps in a lot, at first I thought the were some kitsch souvenirs but actually they appear more interesting!!

I believe these were issued locally instead of coins following the end of World War 1 when metals etc were in short supply.

I know very little but the 100 Mark one seems to have some value (according to some of my trawling around the internet)

Does anybody know anythign about them?

Thanks

Lundy :D

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The first one, with square edges is rather "common" though the value is approx. 15-20 Euro. The second, on the other hand, is a very rare piece. Now, I lost my e-book catalogue when my pc crashed, but if I remember correctly, it was worth some hundred of Euros. I do not collect those Bielefeld "stoffgeld" because some are damn expensive, but I have some.
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Re: Germany Note Geld or Notgeld currency banknotes

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Szykney wrote:I've had these notgelds in my collection for quite some time. Any background information anyone could offer would be appreciated.

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This is the folder they came in and the common design of the reverse of each note.

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They were issued in Frankenhausen am Kyffhauser. They are common pieces, worth about 2 Euro each. The series consists of 6 pieces, BUT there are 2 different issues. The difference between the 2 series is just above the Burgermeister signature. In the first issue it reads only "Burgermeister", while in the second issue it reads "II. Burgermeister". The one you posted is the first issue.

See my blog for details:

https://theserienscheinemuseum.blogspot.com/2013/09/frankenhausen-am-kyffhauser.html

Ah yes, there were issued 2 different envelopes too. Now, the envelopes are worth a little more than the individual pieces. Beautiful set anyway.
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Re: Can someone identify these German language notes for me?

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Szykney wrote:Any information about these notes would be appreciated.

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They are 4 pieces from Tonndorf-Lohe. The first one, the 10 Mk is quite rare, worth 50 Euro if in UNC conditions (and yours seems to be). The set also includes the 5 Mk piece.

The other 3 pieces are from Tonndorf-Lohe as well, though you miss the 50 Pf and 2 Mk to complete the set. They are worth 1/5 Euro each: 1 Euro each if they are printed on thick, rough paper, 5 Euro each if printed on thin, chalky paper (but I can't judge what paper it is from your scans)
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Re: Germany Note Geld or Notgeld currency banknotes

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I'm a new follower having found them mixed in with a box of currency.

Obtained a catalog and was amazed at the colors & designs. They should be making todays currency ! Seapaws
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Is this a provisional WWI banknote from Włocławek?

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Hello Stampboarders!

I enjoy labels and ephemera, as well as postal history, of Poland. I came across this item recently and am uncertain about its use and significance.

The reverse is blank, except for a "5" in marker.

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As the writing may be difficult to see, here is what's written:

Uchwała
Komitetu Obywatełskiego Miasta Włocławka
Z d. 3 Sierpnia 1914R
Niżepodpisani winni są okazicielowi
5 kop.
do zwrotu na każde ządanie za okazaniem
niniejszego

And my translation:
Resolution
The Citizens' Committee of the City of Włocławek
Of August 3, 1914
The undersigned will provide to the bearer
5 kopeks
to be returned at each request upon presentation of this

I’ve seen quite a few WWI coupons for specific items, bread, coal, and the like, but am unsure what this coupon represents? Any ideas?

Thanks, jimd
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Re: WWI German and Regional Banknotes and NOTGELD issues etc

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These are a NOTGELD type of issue I feel sure?

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Re: WWI era German and Regional Banknotes - NOTGELD issues etc

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Search in google under : nouzová papírová platidla

Poland notgeld from Włocławek. German: Leslau, a city located in central Poland.

https://filatelie-klim.com/de/detail-salove-aukce/wloclawek-5-kop_60-26558
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Re: WWI era German and Regional Banknotes - NOTGELD issues etc

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I have this set of 1921 banknotes from Tonndorf-Lohe, uncirculated on thin paper. What is the value of a complete set?
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Re: WWI era German and Regional Banknotes - NOTGELD issues etc

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This 25 pf notgeld from 1920 is from Tønder (Tondern in German) in Schleswig. Two golden horns were found there - one in 1639, and another in 1734. Both horns were stolen in 1802 and melted down for the gold. The horns are thought to be from the 4th or 5th centuries. Any pictures and the replicas found in Danish museums are based on 17th and 18th century drawings.
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