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Seller ID msksur68 isn't an "Ebay dreamer" : he is a counterfeiter and criminal con-man, in the same mould as Nassar but less skilled. He has been mentioned in this Forum for selling bad forgeries for YEARS, and has negative feedbacks for doing so. Many of his current items are just as crudely faked.

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norvic wrote: 17 Oct 2023 07:37
JonEboy wrote: 25 Aug 2023 19:06 MOD NOTE:

I think it's time for a quick reminder to everyone using this thread that every item you post MUST contain some basic information including:

1. The name of the seller
2. An image of the item
3. The actual eBay lot number
4. A url link to the lot.

These rules are not new, as you can see from the screenshot below they have been in place since 2009 and are common sense as eBay regularly removes and archives old listings, images, and descriptions.

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We must assume that readers of any post you make could be entirely oblivious as to what the issue is with the listing and what takes it into 'dreamer' territory.

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Also, I guess that the latter object shouldn't pertain to this thread but to someone of the fake selling. ;)
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Here are two old pages with interesting cases of fakes, scam, etc.
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Should be fairly obvious to the seller that this is a fake overprint. Not only does it look obviously fake, but the point that settles it is that, as the seller states, the Auckland Exhibition took place in 1913, but the cancel on this stamp is from Pukekohe 7 FE 11. :lol:
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Now listed as a fake I see and at a reduced price :)
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Rog wrote: 03 Nov 2023 21:42 Now listed as a fake I see and at a reduced price :)
Yes, good that the seller was responsive. Wish more were like that.
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This "fresh mint" according to the seller. :roll: Freshly scrubbed with a wire brush, more like.
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I've alerted the seller that it has obviously been faked. The big brown swirl is a typical sign of a fiscal pen cancellation being partly cleaned off, even if he didn't see the heavy abrasion.

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As an aside, I was talking to a friend last night who has fallen into a familiar trap.

The poor sod thinks a 50p coin he's found in his change is worth £35,000, based on what he found online.....

This lot make our dreamers look positively restrained.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/bn_16567197?rt=nc&_sop=16
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blue-within-blue wrote: 08 Nov 2023 05:54
I've alerted the seller that it has obviously been faked. The big brown swirl is a typical sign of a fiscal pen cancellation being partly cleaned off, even if he didn't see the heavy abrasion.

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I also informed them, but never received a response. However, I note that the listing has been ended by the seller.
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The Pom wrote: 08 Nov 2023 06:32 As an aside, I was talking to a friend last night who has fallen into a familiar trap.

The poor sod thinks a 50p coin he's found in his change is worth £35,000, based on what he found online.....

This lot make our dreamers look positively restrained.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/bn_16567197?rt=nc&_sop=16
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No mention in the description that this stamp has been very obviously (and rather crudely) altered.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/355182957987?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid ... media=COPY

Thankfully for whomever buys this, the seller accepts returns.
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RedKiwi wrote: 15 Nov 2023 19:33 No mention in the description that this stamp has been very obviously (and rather crudely) altered.

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/355182957987?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid ... media=COPY

Thankfully for whomever buys this, the seller accepts returns.
That's not a dreamer - a dreamer is usually somebody who puts an outrageously high price on something which is common. This is more like a fraudulent offering, although at only $35 against £3250 catalogue it ought to raise red flags.
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Maybe not quite dreamer, but certainly egregious
singapore 2023 Bird Paradise New Issue at a ridiculous sale price on delcampe
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the stamps were released today 15 November in Singapore. Face value is SG$5.66 (~US$4.20). You can order these direct from the Singapore Philatelic Bureau for face plus a small shipping fee.

How a dealer can justify US$27.20 a set is beyond me. Yes it's a bird topical, but it just came out TODAY :x
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Hurry, hurry, hurry - the sale is about to end!

Not to be missed - this (rare, of course) dhá phingin 'green and white' stamp from Ireland. It's old, innit?
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https://www.ebay.ie/itm/256326454713

I could offer to sell 500 or so similar stamps to mco505 for the knock-down price of $62.50, but he might smell a rat....

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Admittedly they started it at 99p, but it's till a dream to suggest this is the postal forgery.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314990162979
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I emailed the seller, maumack-59. They didn't respond.

The postal forgery is illustrated and discussed here:

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=14210

As you can see, it's not hard to spot the difference.....
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As a supplement to The Pom's post about the 2d Sydney Harbour Bridge, the postal forgery alongside the genuine is within the cited thread, at
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There were two genuine versions of the 2d scarlet: a finely detailed recess printed version, without watermark (SG 141) and a coarser typographed version, with watermark crown over C OF A (SG 144). The marginal 4x2 multiple shown above, incorrectly offered as the postal forgery, is the genuine typographed version (SG 144). The watermark is clearly visible in the margin. The postal forgeries have no watermark.


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While eBay has traditionally been the home of dreamers, it would appear that Facebook is mounting a challenge. While there are many legitimate and knowledgeable sellers on Facebook Marketplace, this seller doesn't fit that description. Unfortunately, I can't link to this but typing "stamps" into the Facebook search will give many examples.
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gbpostalhistory seems to think this is a missing colour.

gbpostalhistory needs to read this thread: https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=74970

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/116011196291
1981, painting $ 2, superb used, MAJOR VARIETY: MISSING COLOR dark green (tree and background brown instead of green), extremely rare (SG previously unknown - SG 778 with previously unknown missing color dark green), RR!!
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I have no idea if these people who put these horrible and soiled low value definitives on at ridiculous prices do any homework.
You would think they would at least pick the high value of the set and try to bluff a high price with that.
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I think they do some homework.

Unfortunately, it seems to involve:

1. Coming into possession of an old stamp.

2. Thinking "Old stamps are valuable".

3. Looking on ebay to see what they're selling for.

4. Seeing one at a deluded dreamer price.

5. Listing theirs at a similar price.

Consequently, the whole thing is multiplying, as one wave of stupidly priced stamps leads to the next as more dreamers pile in.
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Any takers for this bargain lot from a seller with almost 500 rating?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115959628349

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PKW wrote: 11 Jan 2024 04:30 Any takers for this bargain lot from a seller with almost 500 rating?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115959628349


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He/She is a jewellery seller. But there is a portrait of King Edward VII on the album cover; that's got to be worth something :roll:
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Here we have a candidate for "Blind Nun of the Year", aka the team at 21st Century Auctions :

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276275712256

As well as the three badly stained / foxed spacefiller triangles, the one penny is one of the worst examples of fakery you'll ever see - the whole left side was replaced by what looks like a child's drawing, then the marginless stamp was rebacked. You can see the original ragged edge of the stamp along the bottom border, well inside the white "margin" ; and the same wrong magenta paint has been used to fill in the lower-right edge and corner.
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But according to the folks at 21st Century, the appropriate description for this spacefiller lot is : "1d & 4d with three margins, 6d & 1/-with close to touching margins, Nice-fine used, minimum Cat £1065 "

When I alerted them about the fakery, their response said :
"I did not write the description or price the item.... Your are now blocked, and future messages from you will be ignored.
We have been in business 62 years over 3 generations on 2 continents, and have been owners of Stamp News Australasia magazine for 23 years. Our near 33,000 100% positive feedbacks I think should say something about our reputation
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Anyone can make a mistake, but three days after I alerted them, they have still not changed this untrue description - making it deliberate, not accidental.

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Certainly Rob, the 1d takes the biscuit!

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blue-within-blue wrote: 13 Jan 2024 22:11 "We have been in business 62 years over 3 generations on 2 continents, and have been owners of Stamp News Australasia magazine for 23 years. Our near 33,000 100% positive feedbacks I think should say something about our reputation."

Anyone can make a mistake, but three days after I alerted them, they have still not changed this untrue description - making it deliberate, not accidental.

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Hey all,

Just found a bargain on eBay - IT HAS FREE POSTAGE !

To good to pass :lol:
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Too bad!

Incidentally, have you noticed that these days prices all end in —.99 or —.95, which has nothing to do with the actual value of the item or the seller's actual original cost? Not just on eBay, but also in Colesworths and Aldi and "everywhere". :o

Once, prices we calculated as a fixed percentage markup on the seller's actual original cost, allowing for a proportionate profit margin. In the meantime, "marketing psychology" and "maximising profit" have been widely adopted as normal business practice.

Apparently ethical principles/practices are no longer seen as relevant...

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"Dreamtrophy" - Nice that this seller even has dream in their name. Asking $95 USD - or best offer - for a (at best) $3 stamp (that's without the obvious damage).

The $45 USD for postage makes this a complete shopping experience.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/355389524588

Just noticed this one, even better: a "beautiful red" indeed, on this fiscal cancel worth, maybe, $5 ...
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Kevin Morgan wrote: 28 Jan 2024 19:24
Howler of the year! https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134705597297?hash=item1f5d144b71%3Ag%3A pnAAAOSwybZk66A~&LH_BIN=1&fbclid=IwAR34qSA rpAP6lDXFMoIhMKHLpNHdzrmJGWXyjNQfTv5BhUA9xmGj3o84qg0

And in 3 months, when all ebay images scroll off forever, this post will be TOTALLY meaningless to all. No seller, no item, no price, no image, no reason whatever it was an alleged 'howler of the year'. (Appears excellent value to me.)

And as posted 1000 times folks, NONE of the space wasting gibberish after the lot number ever needs to be posted - this is all that is ever needed -

www.ebay.com.au/itm/134705597297
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Since the basics are all too much for Kevin.....

The "Howler" is that seller kimss30 thinks that King George V is actually the Queen.
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On the removal of historic listings from eBay, I just checked on purchases I made on 26 Oct 2023 and 31 Oct 2023. The purchase made on 31 Oct is still fully accessible on eBay, but when trying to access the 26 Oct purchase I get this all-too-familiar result:

"We looked everywhere"
"We looked everywhere"
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I suggest that this is euphemistic at best, and more precisely, it is hiding the truth behind a misrepresentation: the truth, apparently, is that eBay automatically and routinely deletes original listings of purchased items when three calendar months have elapsed (though the purchase record remains in My eBay > Purchase History).

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Naturally they will remove historical listings of sold items, especially images. Who needs to try and store billions of images for stuff long gone!

They might still have it archived somewhere, but who needs to keep all that data visible?

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Hello Allanswood. Your point is appropriate, but your rhetorical questions beg the answer that no-one would possibly want to look up the images and prices realised of sales made at least three months earlier.

If you think about it, there are some real answers when those questions are not simply treated as rhetoric begging the question. For example, if you want to buy a currently offered reasonably expensive item, wouldn't you think it helpful to look at prices recently realised for similar items? Or even historical trends in prices realised for similar items? If you're planning to sell a reasonably expensive item, wouldn't prices realised recently, or historically, be helpful relevant information in setting your own selling price?

Auction houses do this kind of research routinely. Serious collectors cherish professional auction catalogues for the illustrations and informative text that they contain, and keep the prices realised with the catalogue for future reference. Good auction catalogues and prices realised can fetch serious prices when offered for sale, and there are serious dealers in philatelic literature who are noted for having such items for sale. Leonard Hartmann(*) is a well-known, highly respected philatelic literature dealer who includes such items in his stock.

Other kinds of reference or research can also be effectively supported by having a searchable database of images and prices realised.

It is clear that eBay management does not see itself as serving/supporting such useful purposes, which is a pity, but if it does indeed archive such information, then making that accessible to users for a modest subscription or per visit cost could be a way to further serve its customer community.

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Ebay's sole purpose is to make money, not to offer an information resource to the philatelic community. As said, why pay to store billions of old images? Old listings have always been deleted after a few months and I'm fairly sure it's in writing somewhere.

Anyway, back on topic.....

stamps_covers_seals_ephemera laughably describes this lot, worth a few cents in total, as an "Investor lot", and wants $115.66 for them.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186275559640

As always, most of their other offerings are equally ludicrously priced.
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It's appropriate in this thread to criticise the "dreamer" listings that eBay hosts.

I submit that it's also appropriate to constructively critisise eBay's business model. My recent observation was that the platform could choose to make a community-minded contribution to knowledge by hosting an archive (even at modest per-use cost). There's no need to tell us they don't do that, and no need to excuse them or unquestioningly accept that model. Even though you might be sure "they aitn't gonna do that", commenting about what's possible or desirable is not pointless — we better understand/evaluate the "profit only" operating principles when we imagine some more altruistic actions that could be included. Of course, there are plenty of more obvious altruistic actions we would like to see, such as the filtering out of the egregious "dreamer" posts...

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RogerE wrote: 02 Feb 2024 15:04 I submit that it's also appropriate to constructively critisise eBay's business model.
To be honest, better in a separate thread - this thread is for ripping the P out of idiots :-)
My recent observation was that the platform could choose to make a community-minded contribution to knowledge by hosting an archive (even at modest per-use cost). There's no need to tell us they don't do that, and no need to excuse them or unquestioningly accept that model. Even though you might be sure "they aitn't gonna do that", commenting about what's possible or desirable is not pointless — we better understand/evaluate the "profit only" operating principles when we imagine some more altruistic actions that could be included.
Agree a conversation about it could well be both interesting and productive; whilst personally I doubt Ebay themselves would be remotely interested, that doesn't mean some ideas couldn't be picked up by others.
RogerE wrote: 02 Feb 2024 15:04 Of course, there are plenty of more obvious altruistic actions we would like to see, such as the filtering out of the egregious "dreamer" posts...
I'll avoid the obvious question - how/who decides on the filtering - and jump straight in with why deprive us of having a good laugh? And if you aren't interested in these dreamers you can simply scroll past the listing. About the only filtering I can think of is limiting the number of relists - the whole world can see a listing so if relisted 3 times at the same price, that does suggest something obvious.

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Jon E wrote: 02 Feb 2024 18:24 About the only filtering I can think of is limiting the number of relists - the whole world can see a listing so if relisted 3 times at the same price, that does suggest something obvious.

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The Pom wrote: 03 Feb 2024 08:26
Unfortunately, a total and utter lack of sales rarely seems to deter the dreamers.
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I wonder what "Vintage Watch Jewelry Bonistics etc." think a margin is. :?
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Pity that - I've always wanted a "BH" one!
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emason wrote:I wonder what "Vintage Watch Jewelry Bonistics etc." think a margin is. :?
A margin of error, perhaps‽

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Or a side...4 sides must mean 4 margins
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Never mind Penny Blacks - this Penny Blue must be even rarer, judging by the 'dreamer' price:
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It's so rare, he's got two of them, same price! :lol:
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