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UK flooded with fake stamps from China slammed as 'economic warfare'

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Security experts have raised concerns after reports of thousands of fake Royal Mail stamps from China being sold in the UK.

Scores of fraudulent stamps are reportedly entering Britain from China, an investigation by The Daily Telegraph revealed.

Security experts labelled it ‘economic warfare’ after Royal Mail called for an investigation into the alleged mass forgery, Mail Online reports.

Customers are left out of pocket as they are forced to pay a £5 penalty to pick up post that carries fraudulent stamps – even if the stamps were bought from a legitimate source, the outlet said.

Complaints about fake stamps from China have also increased.

The newspaper identified four Chinese suppliers offering to print up to one million counterfeit Royal Mail stamps a week.
They are being sold for as little as 4p each before being shipped to the UK.

The fakes stamps are available on Amazon and eBay and websites claiming to be official Royal Mail stores.

Small retailers unknowingly buy the fakes as they are allowed to buy stamps from wholesalers rather than directly from the Royal Mail, The Telegraph understands.

Stamps at Royal Mail stores are not affected because its stamps come from secure printers in Wolverhampton, Mail Online said.

Daily Mail saw websites based in China selling sheets of 50 fake stamps with Royal Mail’s new barcode for a minimum purchase of 20,000.

Post Office minister Kevin Hollinrake told the Daily Mail: ‘It is key to prevent counterfeit stamps entering our supply chain in the UK.

‘The Royal Mail must do everything possible to prevent counterfeits entering our circulation and must establish where they are coming from and how they are entering our marketplace.’

Former Conservative leader Sir Iain Duncan Smit called for a criminal inquiry and likened the stamp scam to printing money.

He told Mail Online: ‘Criminal law is very clear about this and I don’t understand why the police are not cracking down. These people are counterfeiters.’

But a spokesperson from the Chinese Embassy in London said the claims were ‘absurd’, The Times reported.

He said: ‘It is totally ridiculous, absurd and ill-intentional. How could one imagine a sovereign country triggers war by bringing fake stamps?

“If this case really happened, (the) first thing to do is to have (a) thorough investigation over the internal supply chain, instead of pursuing the attention of (the) media.’

Royal Mail said it was ‘ working hard to remove counterfeit stamps from circulation.’

A spokesperson said: ‘We regularly monitor online marketplaces to detect suspicious activity, such as sales of heavily discounted stamps and work closely with retailers and law enforcement agencies to identify those who produce counterfeit stamps.

‘We work closely with a number of police forces across the country and in recent cases we have recovered stamps with a retail value of over £250,000.’

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Everyone's playing catch-up far, far too slow.
There's a follow-up article on the DM this morning which is a general mess, including the headline which decides to use a random reader as an expert to declare the PRC's innocence. :roll:

=> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13299035
"The Post Office is using China as an excuse for fake stamps, say Mail readers following claims counterfeits are entering the UK on an 'industrial scale"

The DM can't get it into their heads that it's not only the datamatrix stamps that are being faked: for example, try this site selling only genuine (fake) stamps; https://stampcottage.co.uk/products/royal-marines-sheet-24-first-class-stamps , and those Royal Marines sheets along with the Cats & Dogs booklet, Cats sheets, etc., are all over eBay, too.

Still reporting, ongoing, here but eBay is even actively rejecting complaints these days, and the RM ain't much better (easier to focus on phasing out stamps than fixing such problems?) :)
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UK is not alone. This is happening in the US also, with a variety of high quality fake modern US stamps being sold from mainland China, and like fentanyl precursors, denied by the CCP.

The USPS and CBP (customs & border protection) all seem nearly helpless to stop the flow. USPS has threatened (has begun?) to simply destroy as "abandoned" mail with fraudulent stamps, without notifying the sender.

Example link: https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/202 ... 508%29.pdf
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What if this problem gets so out of hand that Governments stop producing stamps?
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bathurst stamper wrote: 12 Apr 2024 16:13 What if this problem gets so out of hand that Governments stop producing stamps?
This, in the end, might indeed be the only way to stop the fraud, sadly.
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This has already pay been covered in another thread on UK forgeries of the Machin era.

Perhaps MODS can merge this one in as well?
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Perhaps best to move the comments to this thread so that there is one dedicated one to this topic?
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DJCMH wrote: 12 Apr 2024 16:17
bathurst stamper wrote: 12 Apr 2024 16:13 What if this problem gets so out of hand that Governments stop producing stamps?
This, in the end, might indeed be the only way to stop the fraud, sadly.
One wonders if we go back to pre 1840 postal markings or if computer printed labels will become the next thing?
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bathurst stamper wrote: 12 Apr 2024 17:45
DJCMH wrote: 12 Apr 2024 16:17
bathurst stamper wrote: 12 Apr 2024 16:13 What if this problem gets so out of hand that Governments stop producing stamps?
This, in the end, might indeed be the only way to stop the fraud, sadly.
One wonders if we go back to pre 1840 postal markings or if computer printed labels will become the next thing?
Computer-Printed Labels are pretty much the standard at post offices these days, going in and asking for stamps at the counter is usually greeted with a heavy sigh from most postal clerks it seems. So at the point of sale level not accepting stamps would probably not cause much of a change in practice

But with all the counterfeits flooding the US, UK and other countries, it might just be the final straw to break the camel's back in terms of post offices continuing the production of postage stamps, even for collectors. Millions of forgeries have flooded into the USA over the past several years, and unless you have customs agents opening every package coming from China to check for contraband (impossible, not enough labor to achieve) there really is no way to stop the flood unless either China cracks down (unlikely) or use of postage stamps is banned (which will cause all sorts of political backlash but in the end what alternative would there be.) In the USA we issue new general use flag stamps once a year, and the forgeries are already in the market within a couple weeks of first day of issue. Commemorative issues are also being heavily forged. New security features seem to do little, as the UK experiment with the barcodes is showing.

One solution *might* be to go back to issuing only lick and stick stamps, since those would be harder (though not impossible) to fake compared to self-adhesives, but even that might be only a temporary solution.
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Sadly, given how easy it is to forge stamps nowadays, it seems inevitable that the days of the stamp are numbered.

What are we going to do with all our swapped out bar coded Machins?
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Royal Mail as has been proven here endlessly as bungling dead headed CRETINS.

They destroyed the machin stamp collector market near overnight with their insane decision to demonitise all existing Machin heads issued over 50 years 'as they could be forged'.

These dopes then issued QR coded ones we were advised had unique codes that Royal Mail could see were generated by them and then alone, and when used that code was voided and any re-used stamp would be flagged as invalid.

Both clearly have been totally bungled.

A team of trained chimps could have handled this mess better.
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Global Admin wrote: 12 Apr 2024 20:21 Royal Mail as has been proven here endlessly as bungling dead headed CRETINS.

They destroyed the machin stamp collector market near overnight with their insane decision to demonitise all existing Machin heads issued over 50 years 'as they could be forged'.

These dopes then issued QR coded ones we were advised had unique codes that Royal Mail could see were generated by them and then alone, and when used that code was voided and any re-used stamp would be flagged as invalid.

Both clearly have been totally bungled.

A team of trained chimps could have handled this mess better.
How do you know that a team of trained chimps isn’t running Royal Mail already?
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whiteknight&dog wrote: 12 Apr 2024 22:05

How do you know that a team of trained chimps isn’t running Royal Mail already?


The Royal Mail Anti Fraud Steering Committee, on £400,000 p.a. each, (plus juicy bonuses of course) vehemently refute this malicious allegation, and state they have only recruited ONE so far.

Here they are proudly testing out their new leading edge BRITISH MADE high technology Anti-fraud electronic apparatus, with all diodes and valves and resistors all proudly made in Tooting-Under-Water.

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Global Admin wrote: 12 Apr 2024 22:25
Here they are proudly testing out their new leading edge BRITISH MADE high technology Anti-fraud electronic apparatus, with all diodes and valves and resistors all proudly made in Tooting-Under-Water.

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You over-estimate their capabilities ... this is the automated fake-stamp-on-a-letter-detector:
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China is a major source of forgeries of all types, not just stamps - for example, I would be very careful buying semiconductors on places like Ebay. China themselves will never do anything about it as forgeries in general no doubt provide significant income.

I wonder how many people using the stamps do so knowing they are fakes ? I bet its only a small minority, and if so then if, like the olden days, you could only buy stamps from the post office, or to modernise that we add a post office website, then presumably it'd be uneconomic for the forgers. Otherwise, as others have said, stop using stamps completely.

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Jon E wrote: 12 Apr 2024 23:02 like the olden days, you could only buy stamps from the post office

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In the UK you had to be licensed to sell stamps - and pay to do so, with no profit on the stamps.
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These dopes then issued QR coded ones we were advised had unique codes that Royal Mail could see were generated by them and then alone, and when used that code was voided and any re-used stamp would be flagged as invalid.

Both clearly have been totally bungled.
It is my impression they introduced the bar coded stamps before the bar code readers were installed.
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overprints wrote: 13 Apr 2024 10:42
These dopes then issued QR coded ones we were advised had unique codes that Royal Mail could see were generated by them and then alone, and when used that code was voided and any re-used stamp would be flagged as invalid.

Both clearly have been totally bungled.
It is my impression they introduced the bar coded stamps before the bar code readers were installed.
Yes, there was a trial with the 2nd class blue business sheet well before the others were issued. Only one example (that wasn’t from a dealer or collector) was reported to me before the trial finished and the rest of the stamps were issued. The blue ones were not all sold for the trial and were mixed in with green stock for distribution to post offices. So they are not uncommon.

We don’t even know whether the readers have yet been installed at all mail centres.
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norvic wrote: 13 Apr 2024 18:29
We don’t even know whether the readers have yet been installed at all mail centres.

Welcome to Royal Mail boofhead half-arsed and Dad's Army non working systems.

No wonder the Chinese are laughing. And are making a fortune while these idiots dither about for years sipping tea. Costing endless millions of quid in needless losses for Royal Mail.

It is a BOG BASIC system to get implemented. These dopey untrained British chimps for 2 YEARS have not worked it out. UK made 'technology' at its finest!
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We don’t know because we haven’t been told - nor would I expect that it would be announced.

How much do you think the Chinese are reaping - at 4p each?

How much do you think Royal Mail are losing, taking into account the number of counterfeit stamps that are being used and NOT detected?

How much do you think the USPS is losing, ditto.

How much do you think the Australian Post Office has lost through the sale and used of fake stamps and postal packs?
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Perhaps, just perhaps there ought to be a letter writing promotion to British MPs and Post Office wallahs, by the public to use up their recently acquired (from whatever source) Charlie’s etc., that would then make an impact for all to see and maybe something, just maybe, something will be done to counter this problem?

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