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Re: Identifying the numerals in early India stamp cancellations

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It appears that there are more numbers in this cancellation series than were identified by Renouf. Cooper lists 16 different combinations. Interestingly, as you have noted, Cooper does not list 11, 12, or 13, although they were noted by Renouf. Here are some more examples from my collection that I was able to locate.


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axr15 wrote: 14 Aug 2021 09:07 Here are some more examples from my collection that I was able to locate.

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Re: Identifying the numerals in early India stamp cancellati

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I did add one more cover bearing office number 195, if you can help identifying the same.

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I think this cancel (Cooper type 13, 195) is Gungoh (near Saharanpore), which is name on this cancel.
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axr15 wrote: 11 Dec 2021 06:56 I think this cancel (Cooper type 13, 195) is Gungoh (near Saharanpore), which is name on this cancel.
If you note closely, there is a horizontal row which makes it 4 and not 1. Number is actually 495 and belongs to Shahjehanpore.
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Thanks for your careful examination. Indeed, the cancel seems to be 495 (Shahjahanpore).
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Re: India - Used abroad postmarks and other questions

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India SG. 58 With a nice Theran Iran cancel at normal size the light brown rust not visible a few sentences are all that's present in my Gibbons. Any info as to rarity is always appreciated thanks.
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amfhf1 wrote: 16 Apr 2022 14:59 India SG. 58 With a nice Theran Iran cancel at normal size the light brown rust not visible a few sentences are all that's present in my Gibbons. Any info as to rarity is always appreciated thanks.Image
This is not Theran, it is Matheran, smallest hill station in India. It was in the Bombay circle.
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Well that's not what I was hoping for but better to know than be wrong thanks for the information.
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Would anyone know what the ‘G.O.S.’ overprint on this stamp means and where it originates from?

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I found the following East India Half Anna Blue Perf 14 (appears to be die II) and I wondered if there was any significance to the M cancel?
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East India Half Anna Blue SG#55, SC#20 Perf 14 Die II

Is this just part of a cancel or does the M identify a specific location?

Value of the stamp is not why I ask.......just haven't been able to locate info on this cancel.

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This is an example of the Cooper type 34 All India cancel (a fairly common cancel). M stands for Madras circle.
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axr15 wrote: 13 Sep 2022 02:54 This is an example of the Cooper type 34 All India cancel (a fairly common cancel). M stands for Madras circle.
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India 1842 Bolaram postmark - details sought about postmark

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India domestic letter 1842 sent from Bolaram to Lucknow. Is there any handbook or website about these framed paid postmarks - something to tell us about the years they were in use or how many are recorded? Any details about this Bolaram postmark will be appreciated. Thanks
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And what about this "AM" postmark? What is the meaning of this? (letters not in my collection)
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Bolaram Or Bolarum is a locality in modern day Hyderabad. Hyderabad was a feudatory state before independence of India and had their own postal system. Most likely the seal is because of their own postal system and Calcutta being in British India. I am not 100% sure, but most likely this is the reason for the seal. There are few covers from other parts of India to Bolarum available in the market with a similar seal.
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vijaysingh wrote: 02 Oct 2023 17:36 Bolaram Or Bolarum is a locality in modern day Hyderabad. Hyderabad was a feudatory state before independence of India and had their own postal system. Most likely the seal is because of their own postal system and Calcutta being in British India. I am not 100% sure, but most likely this is the reason for the seal. There are few covers from other parts of India to Bolarum available in the market with a similar seal.
Thanks for this background. What is the seal to which you refer?
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Sorry for the confusion. I was refering to the postmark.
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India letter 1859 - where was this sent from and which postmarks?

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Letter from 1859, can someone tell where this was sent from? I see the boxed postmark on back and a diamond grid cancel with the number 8.
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bowulf wrote: 03 Oct 2023 16:38 Letter from 1859, can someone tell where this was sent from? I see the boxed postmark on back and a diamond grid cancel with the number 8.

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My best guess is that the numeral cancel is "78" (Ellichpur) and the handstruck stamp is that of Elichpoor (HG1). Both Ellichpur and Secunderabad were under the Nizam's dominion in 1859. Hammond Giles notes that the Elichpoor handstruck stamp was in use between 1850 - 1858. Thus, this cover may contain a later use of this stamp. As per Martin (Numbers in Early India Cancellation), the Bombay circle numeral cancel 78 of Ellichpur was in use between 1855 and 1873.
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Thanks, I think you're right. I certainly read the "...poor" of the datestamp. And a late use it would be, May 1859. Can you also assist me with the "AM" mark that I enquire about in a previous post?
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bowulf wrote: 02 Oct 2023 16:42 And what about this "AM" postmark? What is the meaning of this? (letters not in my collection)

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AM is a delivery mark -- whether the letter was delivered during morning (AM) or afternoon (PM). It is rare to find these marks used to cancel stamps, but there are a few instances of that occurring. I have a few such usages of this cancel, and will scan them for you when I find some time.
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axr15 wrote: 05 Oct 2023 05:26
bowulf wrote: 02 Oct 2023 16:42 And what about this "AM" postmark? What is the meaning of this? (letters not in my collection)

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AM is a delivery mark -- whether the letter was delivered during morning (AM) or afternoon (PM). It is rare to find these marks used to cancel stamps, but there are a few instances of that occurring. I have a few such usages of this cancel, and will scan them for you when I find some time.
Here are examples of AM and PM instructional marks used on stamps and an example where it was used to cancel stamps on a cover.
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I've just been going through some old India QV stamps and discovered 3 x B111 ( 2 x 2a & 1 x 4a) postmarks which seem to point at Meeaday? Any other possibilities? I can't find much elsewhere.
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Yes, Bengal Circle type 7, B/111 is Meeaday.
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Thanks Peter, that's useful to know.

I need to try & find the missing pair from the bottom right & check which Burma postmark they have, I'll have merged them.

The B/3 isn't a Burma one & I can't find it listed. I assume it will be one of the main cities?
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I've found a few more interesting postmarks, the green 2a is B/30, the 1a's are B/56, Calcutta & B/130. Still haven't found the pair I'm looking for.
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Does anyone know anything about Koolee Stamps ?
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Oops - but it is an early postmark....... Sorry for the bother.................
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zkab6900 wrote: 06 Dec 2023 11:58 Does anyone know anything about Koolee Stamps ?
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As Glen pointed out, your query is out of place here.

Perhaps a moderator could move it to a Feudatory States thread.

Anyway, the Koolee or Kuli marks of Travancore are Postage Due marks. There are two types in Malayalam described by Mooss in his handbook ‘The Travancore Anchal’ and this is his Type II.

Mooss states that the top half of the box contains the word Kuli, meaning tax or charge; the lower half has ‘Pa’ for Panam and then ‘Cha’ for Chackram, and the postal clerk would write in the appropriate charge.

This type of Kuli mark is known from ME 1078 (AD 1903) to after the amalgamation of Travancore and Cochin.
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Hi all,

I am attaching the latest list of numbers with Renouf type 13 cancels (Northwest Province). I have complied this list based on known cancels on covers or stamps that are either in my collection, or I have seen in other collections, or are available online. For the numbers seen on stamps, I do not have any information about the associated Post Office name -- if you have any covers canceled with these numbers, please let me know the corresponding PO name, and I will update this list, and post at this site at a future date.

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Does the F on these squared circle cancellations stand for something or are they just some kind of time code?
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