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Thank you. Next is 20 Lepta.
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20 Lepta blue:

20 Lepta, consequtive print, 1862-1868, Stamp A; Mi 20, Vl 32
20 Lepta, consequtive print, 1862-1868, Stamp A; Mi 20, Vl 32
20 Lepta, consequtive print, 1862-1868, Stamp A; Mi 20, Vl 32
20 Lepta back, consequtive print, 1862-1868, Stamp A; Mi 20, Vl 32
20 Lepta back, consequtive print, 1862-1868, Stamp A; Mi 20, Vl 32
20 Lepta back, consequtive print, 1862-1868, Stamp A; Mi 20, Vl 32


20 Lepta, cleaned plates, 1862-1868, Stamp B; Mi 27, Vl 39
20 Lepta, cleaned plates, 1862-1868, Stamp B; Mi 27, Vl 39
20 Lepta, cleaned plates, 1862-1868, Stamp B; Mi 27, Vl 39
20 Lepta back, cleaned plates, 1862-1868, Stamp B; Mi 27, Vl 39
20 Lepta back, cleaned plates, 1862-1868, Stamp B; Mi 27, Vl 39
20 Lepta back, cleaned plates, 1862-1868, Stamp B; Mi 27, Vl 39


20 Lepta, cleaned plates, 1862-1868, Stamp C; Mi 27, Vl 39
20 Lepta, cleaned plates, 1862-1868, Stamp C; Mi 27, Vl 39
20 Lepta, cleaned plates, 1862-1868, Stamp C; Mi 27, Vl 39
20 Lepta back, cleaned plates, 1862-1868, Stamp C; Mi 27, Vl 39
20 Lepta back, cleaned plates, 1862-1868, Stamp C; Mi 27, Vl 39
20 Lepta back, cleaned plates, 1862-1868, Stamp C; Mi 27, Vl 39


20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp D; Mi 51b, Vl 65
20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp D; Mi 51b, Vl 65
20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp D; Mi 51b, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp D; Mi 51b, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp D; Mi 51b, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp D; Mi 51b, Vl 65


20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp E; Mi 51b, Vl 65
20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp E; Mi 51b, Vl 65
20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp E; Mi 51b, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp E; Mi 51b, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp E; Mi 51b, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp E; Mi 51b, Vl 65


20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp F; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp F; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp F; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp F; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp F; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp F; Mi 51c, Vl 65


20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp G; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp G; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp G; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp G; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp G; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp G; Mi 51c, Vl 65


20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp H; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp H; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp H; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp H; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp H; Mi 51c, Vl 65
20 Lepta back, cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp H; Mi 51c, Vl 65
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Thank you for the reminder. I was thinking the chatting posts between bursts of scanns evens it out, but I need to start then splitting them into multiple posts.
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All 20l are correct, except A and B.
Stamp A is 1871-72, except if its paper shows a meshed structure through a light source (in that case it's 1871-76).
Stamp B is confusing. It can be 1862-67 or 1871-72 (most probably not 1868-69). We need the hinge removed to take a better look at the CN color.
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Thank you very much. I will scan it later. Right now I am unable to do that.
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Here is the new scan of the back of 20 Lepta blue B stamp.
New scan of the back of 20 Lepta blue B stamp
New scan of the back of 20 Lepta blue B stamp
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CN shows this is most probably a late 1862-67 stamp.
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Thank you. So, that would be consecutive prints, Vlastos 32. Is that correct?
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I dont know the Vlastos number. It would be Hellas 19h, specifically.
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OK, but it is the consecutive Athens prints, is it?

Google seems to suggest that Hellas 19 is Vlastos 32.
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This should be an easy batch. 20 Lepta red(ish). No control numbers back. Issued in 1882.


20 Lepta carmine, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp A; Mi 58, Vl 73
20 Lepta carmine, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp A; Mi 58, Vl 73
20 Lepta carmine, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp A; Mi 58, Vl 73

20 Lepta carmine, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp B; Mi 58, Vl 73
20 Lepta carmine, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp B; Mi 58, Vl 73
20 Lepta carmine, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp B; Mi 58, Vl 73

20 Lepta carmine, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp C; Mi 58, Vl 73
20 Lepta carmine, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp C; Mi 58, Vl 73
20 Lepta carmine, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp C; Mi 58, Vl 73

20 Lepta carmine, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp D; Mi 58, Vl 73
20 Lepta carmine, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp D; Mi 58, Vl 73
20 Lepta carmine, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp D; Mi 58, Vl 73
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And these are likely the (anilin) rose versions.


20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp E; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp E; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp E; Mi 59, Vl 72

20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp F; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp F; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp F; Mi 59, Vl 72

20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp G; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp G; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp G; Mi 59, Vl 72

20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp H; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp H; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp H; Mi 59, Vl 72

20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp I; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp I; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp I; Mi 59, Vl 72

20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp J; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp J; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp J; Mi 59, Vl 72
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20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp K; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp K; Mi 59, Vl 72
20 Lepta rose, no control number, 1880-1886, Stamp K; Mi 59, Vl 72
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kuikka wrote: 26 Mar 2024 08:48 OK, but it is the consecutive Athens prints, is it?

Google seems to suggest that Hellas 19 is Vlastos 32.
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I believe I forgot the 20lepta ones. All seem right.
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Thank you very much. I thought that you might be busy and didn't want to push. I will post a new batch when I am with my computer.
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Next are 30 lepta brown ones. I believe these are all Athens prints. As these have no control numbers backs are not shown.

30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp A; Mi 45a, Vl 59
30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp A; Mi 45a, Vl 59
30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp A; Mi 45a, Vl 59

30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp B; Mi 45a, Vl 59
30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp B; Mi 45a, Vl 59
30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp B; Mi 45a, Vl 59

30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp C; Mi 45a, Vl 59
30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp C; Mi 45a, Vl 59
30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp C; Mi 45a, Vl 59

30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp D; Mi 45c, Vl 59
30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp D; Mi 45c, Vl 59
30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp D; Mi 45c, Vl 59

30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp E; Mi 45c, Vl 59
30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp E; Mi 45c, Vl 59
30 Lepta brown, Athens print, 1876-1877, Stamp E; Mi 45c, Vl 59
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Correct, these are all Athens prints.
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I suppose these do not have options. 30 lepta blue. All from 1880 printing.


30 Lepta ultramarine, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp A; Mi 60a, Vl 74
30 Lepta ultramarine, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp A; Mi 60a, Vl 74
30 Lepta ultramarine, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp A; Mi 60a, Vl 74

30 Lepta grey blue, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp B; Mi 60b, Vl 74β
30 Lepta grey blue, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp B; Mi 60b, Vl 74β
30 Lepta grey blue, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp B; Mi 60b, Vl 74β

30 Lepta grey blue, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp C; Mi 60b, Vl 74β
30 Lepta grey blue, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp C; Mi 60b, Vl 74β
30 Lepta grey blue, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp C; Mi 60b, Vl 74β
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Correct, the only options are the shades.
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Thank you.

Next is 40 lepta.

40 Lepta, on blue paper, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 21a, Vl 33
40 Lepta, on blue paper, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 21a, Vl 33
40 Lepta, on blue paper, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 21a, Vl 33
40 Lepta back, on blue paper, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 21a, Vl 33
40 Lepta back, on blue paper, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 21a, Vl 33
40 Lepta back, on blue paper, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 21a, Vl 33


40 Lepta, Cleaned plates, 1868-1869, Stamp B; Mi 28, Vl 40
40 Lepta, Cleaned plates, 1868-1869, Stamp B; Mi 28, Vl 40
40 Lepta, Cleaned plates, 1868-1869, Stamp B; Mi 28, Vl 40
40 Lepta back, Cleaned plates, 1868-1869, Stamp B; Mi 28, Vl 40
40 Lepta back, Cleaned plates, 1868-1869, Stamp B; Mi 28, Vl 40
40 Lepta back, Cleaned plates, 1868-1869, Stamp B; Mi 28, Vl 40


40 Lepta, on bluish or greenish paper, 1871 issue, 1871, Stamp C; Mi 37, Vl 49
40 Lepta, on bluish or greenish paper, 1871 issue, 1871, Stamp C; Mi 37, Vl 49
40 Lepta, on bluish or greenish paper, 1871 issue, 1871, Stamp C; Mi 37, Vl 49
40 Lepta back, on bluish or greenish paper, 1871 issue, 1871, Stamp C; Mi 37, Vl 49
40 Lepta back, on bluish or greenish paper, 1871 issue, 1871, Stamp C; Mi 37, Vl 49
40 Lepta back, on bluish or greenish paper, 1871 issue, 1871, Stamp C; Mi 37, Vl 49
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I just wonder if any additional scans are needed?
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Not needed. Stamp B is 1862-67 (on lilac paper) and stamp C seems to be on meshed paper.
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So, did I understand correctly?

A is Consecutive prints, 1862-1867 on blue paper
B is Consecutive prints, 1862-1867 (on grey-lilac paper)
C is 1871 issue and seems to be on meshed paper

Edit: grey added from post below.
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Yes, stamp B is on gray-lilac paper, I forgot the gray part.
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Thank you very much. Next 80 Lepta stamps.
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80 Lepta stamps


80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 22, Vl 34


80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp B; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp B; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp B; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp B; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp B; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp B; Mi 22, Vl 34


80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp C; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp C; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp C; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp C; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp C; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp C; Mi 22, Vl 34
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80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp D; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp D; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp D; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp D; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp D; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp D; Mi 22, Vl 34


80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp E; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp E; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp E; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp E; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp E; Mi 22, Vl 34
80 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp E; Mi 22, Vl 34
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80l stamps are easy to identify. If the digit "0" is thicker than "8" (Stamp C), then the stamps belong to Cleaned Plates. If not, they belong to Consecutive printings. Bear in mind that even though they are classified as Cleaned Plates (1868-69), they actually circulated much later (1873 onwards).
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So, C is Cleaned plates and all others are Consequtive plates. Is that correct?
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kuikka wrote: 06 Apr 2024 21:27 So, C is Cleaned plates and all others are Consequtive plates. Is that correct?
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Additionally, if any 80l stamp has no control figure at the back, it belongs to the Paris printings.
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Thank you very much. That was all the Large Hermes heads.

Do you know the small Hermes heads, too?
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Nope, I'm only collecting Large Hermes Heads. Unfortunately, the available bibliography for Small Hermes Heads is very limited.
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OK. I may later try to scan the 1 and 2 Lepta stamps with some other scanners to see if they deliver better colours.
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Hi all,

Grateful for some help with this block I bought, unfortunately it has some faults with a very obviously bleach like mark (which i thought was a scuff but appears not to be) on the top left stamp and a pin hole bottom right stamp but this is still pretty attractive and my only Hermes block....

Now I know this should be pretty easy but I am a pretty general collector ! So I am not sure if it is Hellas 44 or 46 the printing looks very clear so maybe 44? So Vlastos 58 or 60 I believe ( sorry I don't have that catalogue.)
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Thanks for any help you can provide - I think the postmark is Syros?

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Lundy wrote: 09 Apr 2024 01:23 Hi all,

Grateful for some help with this block I bought, unfortunately it has some faults with a very obviously bleach like mark (which i thought was a scuff but appears not to be) on the top left stamp and a pin hole bottom right stamp but this is still pretty attractive and my only Hermes block....

Now I know this should be pretty easy but I am a pretty general collector ! So I am not sure if it is Hellas 44 or 46 the printing looks very clear so maybe 44? So Vlastos 58 or 60 I believe ( sorry I don't have that catalogue.)

Thanks for any help you can provide - I think the postmark is Syros?

Lundy :D
Hi Lundy, sorry to say this is a forgery.
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Thanks Usgreek - good to know this I will have a look at my others of this value to help me see the differences….

Thanks again

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Lundy wrote: 13 Apr 2024 01:10 Thanks Usgreek - good to know this I will have a look at my others of this value to help me see the differences….

Thanks again

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I'm happy to help. The difference is in the first wavy line, which is unbroken. Original copies have this line broken. Some forgeries have replicated this "feature" as well, but they are very few.
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Hi Lundy, sorry to say this is a forgery.
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Not saying you are wrong, but I'm interested to know what leads you to that conclusion, specifically.

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Philatelic BOB wrote: 01 Jun 2024 09:10
Hi Lundy, sorry to say this is a forgery.
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Not saying you are wrong, but I'm interested to know what leads you to that conclusion, specifically.

KS
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It mentioned is in the post above. Lack of a broken first wavy line.
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One of the most impressive examples of Athens fine provisional stamps. A 5 lepta copy with an excellent impression, very rarely seen in provisionals. Lack of contour, extremely finely printed spandrels, uniform medallion, long and non-tapered shading lines.
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I got a second batch of Large Hermes Head stamps. Again I appreciate any help in identifying them. I hope I get them right but likely I misidentify some of them. The stamps are in varying condition. The point is to identify them correctly regardless their condition. As I am using still the same scanner, the shades are again likely off. Apologies for that.

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1 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 16, Vl 28
1 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 16, Vl 28
1 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp A; Mi 16, Vl 28

1 Lepta, Cleaned plates, 1868-1869, Stamp B; Mi 23, Vl 35
1 Lepta, Cleaned plates, 1868-1869, Stamp B; Mi 23, Vl 35
1 Lepta, Cleaned plates, 1868-1869, Stamp B; Mi 23, Vl 35

1 Lepta, Cleaned plates, 1868-1869, Stamp C; Mi 23, Vl 35
1 Lepta, Cleaned plates, 1868-1869, Stamp C; Mi 23, Vl 35
1 Lepta, Cleaned plates, 1868-1869, Stamp C; Mi 23, Vl 35
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The first one is from 1870, the second is (probably) from 1880-86, and the third is from 1868-69. Colors again are way off, so going by other ID means.
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Thank you very much. So, only one I got correct. Clearly I am still far away of knowing these stamps. Next some 5 Lepta stamps.


5 Lepta, First Athens print, 1861-1862, Stamp A; Mi 18I, Vl 23
5 Lepta, First Athens print, 1861-1862, Stamp A; Mi 18I, Vl 23
5 Lepta, First Athens print, 1861-1862, Stamp A; Mi 18I, Vl 23
5 Lepta back, First Athens print, 1861-1862, Stamp A; Mi 18I, Vl 23
5 Lepta back, First Athens print, 1861-1862, Stamp A; Mi 18I, Vl 23
5 Lepta back, First Athens print, 1861-1862, Stamp A; Mi 18I, Vl 23


5 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp B; Mi 18, Vl 30
5 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp B; Mi 18, Vl 30
5 Lepta, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp B; Mi 18, Vl 30
5 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp B; Mi 18, Vl 30
5 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp B; Mi 18, Vl 30
5 Lepta back, Consecutive prints, 1862-1867, Stamp B; Mi 18, Vl 30


5 Lepta, Cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp C; Mi 49, Vl 63
5 Lepta, Cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp C; Mi 49, Vl 63
5 Lepta, Cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp C; Mi 49, Vl 63
5 Lepta back, Cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp C; Mi 49, Vl 63
5 Lepta back, Cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp C; Mi 49, Vl 63
5 Lepta back, Cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp C; Mi 49, Vl 63
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5 Lepta, Cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp D; Mi 49, Vl 63
5 Lepta, Cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp D; Mi 49, Vl 63
5 Lepta, Cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp D; Mi 49, Vl 63
5 Lepta back, Cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp D; Mi 49, Vl 63
5 Lepta back, Cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp D; Mi 49, Vl 63
5 Lepta back, Cream paper, 1875-1880, Stamp D; Mi 49, Vl 63

Following stamps don't have control number at the back:

5 Lepta, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp E; Mi 55, Vl 69
5 Lepta, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp E; Mi 55, Vl 69
5 Lepta, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp E; Mi 55, Vl 69

5 Lepta, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp F; Mi 55, Vl 69
5 Lepta, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp F; Mi 55, Vl 69
5 Lepta, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp F; Mi 55, Vl 69

5 Lepta, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp G; Mi 55, Vl 69
5 Lepta, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp G; Mi 55, Vl 69
5 Lepta, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp G; Mi 55, Vl 69

5 Lepta, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp H; Mi 55, Vl 69
5 Lepta, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp H; Mi 55, Vl 69
5 Lepta, 1880 print, 1880-1886, Stamp H; Mi 55, Vl 69
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Re: Discussion and ID of the complicated Greek Hermes Head stamp issues

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I wonder if this is a listed variety where '5's are blurred out?

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kuikka wrote: 25 Jun 2024 17:11 I wonder if this is a listed variety where '5's are blurred out?
This is not a variety, but characteristic of a few plate positions. In this case, it looks like position 111.
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Btw, the 5l stamps A and B are consecutive and cleaned plates, respectively. The rest seem fine.
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