Couple of old England hammered silver coins ID and authenticity

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Couple of old England hammered silver coins ID and authenticity

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Got these coins in a job lot one appears to be a shortsross the other a longcross
Does anyone know what they are and if they look genuine?
Any Help appreciated.

The short cross weighs 2.11g and longcross 2.32g

Short cross
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Long cross
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Re: Couple of old England hammered silver coins ID and authenticity

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I think that you have 2 silver pennies.
The short cross is King John.
The long cross is probably King Edward III.
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These coins are both replicas sold in museum gift shops for a few pounds.

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Princestamps wrote: 11 Jul 2022 21:45

This person posted on Coin Community Family and got blasted by members there.

hughwp - do NOT waste member time pulling such childish stunts.

Even the most average Chinese forger would be ashamed to be associated with such crude fakes.

Why you were not savvy enough to see that in the FIRST instance is the obvious question, and THEN being told by coin experts they are duds, you still ignore that free advice, and waste our time too.

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Re: Couple of old England hammered silver coins ID and authenticity

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hughwp wrote: 25 Jun 2022 07:06
The short cross weighs 2.11g and longcross 2.32g
As a collector of medieval English pennies, I'd be worried about the weights of these coins. For several hundred years, the weight of English pennies was around 1.40 gm.

Sometimes the weight fell below that figure -- such as during the reign of Cnut -- but it was never as high as 2.11 and 2.32 gm. Ten pennies from William I through Edward II in my collection have these weights:

1.41
1.38
1.32
1.13
1.44
1.36
1.46
1.49
1.45
1.41

Any pennies that weigh over 2 gm would certainly be suspect, and would need to be further examined to determine if they were genuine.

Below: A genuine penny of King John, weight 1.46 gm.

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Re: Couple of old England hammered silver coins ID and authenticity

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These are definitely modern cast reproductions, in base metal.

The first one represents a short cross penny of the London mint, monarch indeterminate, (for those unaware, the short cross coinage of Henry II, Richard I, John and Henry III all bear the name HENRICVS).

The second one is intended to be a Class 9 penny of Edward I, again London mint.
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