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Hello,
Not quite as bright as your stamp Josto and I don't want you to think I'm jumping on your post either.
I have this joined pair of 9d bright purple, to me I think I have 28(4) r Die11 in pair with Die11B, as per note 3 in ACSC 2021 edition with the break above ST of Australia being there but inked over to a degree.
Also the left stamp has what I think is 28(4)j flaw.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Hi!

Looking at the top right corners, I would have said both stamps are dieIIB stamps and it seems as both have the (quite overinked) break over ST! But we should wait for the opinions of the others!

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josto wrote: 11 Aug 2022 20:53 Hi!

Looking at the top right corners, I would have said both stamps are dieIIB stamps and it seems as both have the (quite overinked) break over ST! But we should wait for the opinions of the others!

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Thankyou sir still learning here so anything is possible :) Anything on the flaw on the left stamp?
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Stuart

I have blown up the left hand stamp. As you can see there is a break between the horizontal and vertical inner frame lines at upper right and also an indentation over ST of Australia in the outer frame line. I think both units are Die 2b. The bulging outer frame in the upper right corner is also an indication that the unit is Die 2b.

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Stuart,

I agree with Josto and Robert. If the top outer frame line at the right corner appears to begin to slope downwards, starting above the last 'A', that is irrefutable proof in conjunction with the incomplete inner frame line join at the upper right corner. Many die 2Bs masquerade as Die 2s.
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Kainnikanada wrote: 12 Aug 2022 01:57 Stuart,

I agree with Josto and Robert. If the top outer frame line at the right corner appears to begin to slope downwards, starting above the last 'A', that is irrefutable proof in conjunction with the incomplete inner frame line join at the upper right corner. Many die 2Bs masquerade as Die 2s.
Thankyou gentleman, so am I right thinking the left hand stamp is just a plain old 28(4)j 4L17?
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Stuart, I think you are right in so thinking!

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Derbyboi2 wrote: 12 Aug 2022 09:09 Stuart, I think you are right in so thinking!

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Thanks to: Les, The Pom and Josto for enabling me to complete my research on the Die 2 1/- 2L10 and mostly complete the 2L12 cliche. I appreciated your input as well Philip!

Below is the proposed ACCCNSW Bulletin article. An identical one will be sent to the BSAP Bulletin editor.
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Good work as ever Rod... Correct Suggesed to Suggested in the title.
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While browsing some NWPI items on ebay I encountered a 1/- stamp with 3 small line breaks in the 7-9th shading lines above the 'IL' of 'SHILLINGS'. ...and the 15th line above the top right of the first 'L' is also broken. I had not pursued identifying this flaw in my collection due to uncertainty of its constancy. After seeing the 3rd watermarked ebay stamp from NWPI SG 113 I worked backwards through my scans to discover I have it from 1st Watermark.

Still finding flawed cliches!

Here are the flaws (2 examples in 3rd Watermark). Enlargements colour enhanced to emphasize location:

2L26 (1st - 3rd Watermark)
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Hello,
After reading the above bulletin post, which I found very interesting.
All the posts on stampboards get me so intrigued to look at my scans and see if I have anything of interest.
Well I've got this Die11B 3rd watermark 1/- blue- green that has me baffled because there's nothing in the ACSC cat with this flaw in the position mine is in. The break is more in between the IA than what I can work out from the above post.
All help much appreciated.
Real shame about the crease across it.
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Stuart,

You have a die 2B stamp. It seems to be similar to the pair I have previously discussed. ....but I couldn't find any references to it in any of Richard Guy's unlisted Die 2B flaw scans I have. Perhaps it is a surface issue. Difficult to determine the mechanism that created the potential flaw.
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Kainnikanada wrote: 15 Aug 2022 12:49 Stuart,

You have a die 2B stamp. It seems to be similar to the pair I have previously discussed. ....but I couldn't find any references to it in any of Richard Guy's unlisted Die 2B flaw scans I have. Perhaps it is a surface issue. Difficult to determine the mechanism that created the potential flaw.
Thankyou, after posting that enquiry I scanned my eyes over the stamps in a stockbook and found another one with the same flaw(but not as pronounced as that one) will post a scan of it tonight.
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SBaker wrote: 15 Aug 2022 13:42
Kainnikanada wrote: 15 Aug 2022 12:49 Stuart,

You have a die 2B stamp. It seems to be similar to the pair I have previously discussed. ....but I couldn't find any references to it in any of Richard Guy's unlisted Die 2B flaw scans I have. Perhaps it is a surface issue. Difficult to determine the mechanism that created the potential flaw.
Thankyou, after posting that enquiry I scanned my eyes over the stamps in a stockbook and found another one with the same flaw(but not as pronounced as that one) will post a scan of it tonight.
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This is the scan I'm talking about, it too being a Die11B.
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Stuart,

You caught me sleeping at the wheel. I have been tripped up because my mind has been seriously studying numerous 2d Roo Die 2A scans, of covers/wrappers etc, Geoff Kellow emailed this morning.

Both 1/- examples you have posted do indeed have a constant flaw but in slightly different locations!!

That is due to the flaw occurring on many of those Die 2B cliches. Admittedly variable and inconstant. I am on my tablet and do not have access to my scan library. If you look at past queries including your 9d pair you will see that similar flaw.

That nick or sometimes a gouge appears on many Die 2Bs. That is where the outer side of the to frame line begins to taper slightly downwards to the UR corner.

I posted a scan of a 9d horizontal pair a few months back showing one stamp normal and the other displaying most Die 2B characteristics. Search under my handle.
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Hello everybody.

This discussion of the 1/- green third watermark is very interesting, many thanks for the contributions. Here are two that I wanted to get some help with.

Australia kangaroo and map stamps, 1/- third wmk, Die IIB?
Australia kangaroo and map stamps, 1/- third wmk, Die IIB?
I was wondering if they are both Die IIB? The left example has a break above ST, and the right example has two odd flaws, if that is what they are. There is a seeming scratch off WA, unlike the ones shown in ACSC, and the '1' in the value tablet looks a bit strange. Any advice will be much appreciated. Cheers, Tod. :)
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Tod,

Can you post scans of the backs of both stamps. Identifying the watermark would help?

No references in the literature to the scratch. If I can get a scan of its back I could forward to R. Guy for his opinion. He's the only collector I am aware of that is currently researching Die 2B flaws. He did send me items he can not plate but this was not one of them.

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Thanks for the reply. Here are the backs, with the OS being a clear left marginal cliche.
Australia kangaroo and map stamps, 1/- third wmk, Die IIB, backs.
Australia kangaroo and map stamps, 1/- third wmk, Die IIB, backs.
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Tod,

I will forward a copy of the right most stamp, with the apparent scratch, to R. Guy to seek his opinion. I believe it is a scratch and not a surface rub or some type of damage.

Thanks for the scan of the reverse to confirm the watermark.
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Kainnikanada wrote: 15 Aug 2022 15:58 Stuart,

You caught me sleeping at the wheel. I have been tripped up because my mind has been seriously studying numerous 2d Roo Die 2A scans, of covers/wrappers etc, Geoff Kellow emailed this morning.

Both 1/- examples you have posted do indeed have a constant flaw but in slightly different locations!!

That is due to the flaw occurring on many of those Die 2B cliches. Admittedly variable and inconstant. I am on my tablet and do not have access to my scan library. If you look at past queries including your 9d pair you will see that similar flaw.

That nick or sometimes a gouge appears on many Die 2Bs. That is where the outer side of the to frame line begins to taper slightly downwards to the UR corner.

I posted a scan of a 9d horizontal pair a few months back showing one stamp normal and the other displaying most Die 2B characteristics. Search under my handle.
Kainnikandada, Thanks for your help, very interesting read.
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A revision to Pope's 2d Roo checklist.

2R26 has a pair of flaws of which only one is noted. This is the upper right inner corner frame line flaw as shown below. I have this flaw in various NWPI multiples up to blocks of 30.
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I have, beginning in 1st watermark and through at least to 3rd (NWPI SG 73 & 94), examples with a small break in the 1st shading line beneath the 'EN' of 'PENCE'. I assume it continued on to NWPI SG 106 as well. Flaw shown below.
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A worthy inclusion into the 2d WIKI. Hence,
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Hi all,
I just received this 9d third wmk die 2 roo and noticed a break in the coast of the gulf of carpenteria.

I've looked through the Banwell and Parsons and could not find anything comparable.
9d Roo. Break in coastline. 3rd Watermark Die 2
9d Roo. Break in coastline. 3rd Watermark Die 2
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Hello,
Kainnikanada after reading your last post on the 2d Grey varieties I'm wondering where does it put this NWPI S G 106 one of mine?
There are various breaks in the first shade line below the TWO PENCE value panel pretty much right across the stamp and also up in between the WO and also the PE.
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Stuart,

The weaknesses surrounding the 'words of value' plug are normal for many roo denominations. I believe it is a sign that parts of the plug were slightly below the printing surface and thus did not make contact with the paper.

Your stamp is not SG 106. The violet tinge to the overprint, as seen from the back scan, indicates a late printing of SG 94 - used to be listed in SG as the purple overprint but currently difficult to distinguish.

I see no flaws on the stamp.
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harry64,

No discussion of such a flaw in either BSAP or ACCCNSW from any of their Bulletins published since ca. 1984.

Appears to be a scratch since the shading line adjacent to the break in the coastline is also broken.
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Kainnikanada wrote: 20 Aug 2022 15:13 Stuart,

The weaknesses surrounding the 'words of value' plug are normal for many roo denominations. I believe it is a sign that parts of the plug were slightly below the printing surface and thus did not make contact with the paper.

Your stamp is not SG 106. The violet tinge to the overprint, as seen from the back scan, indicates a late printing of SG 94 - used to be listed in SG as the purple overprint but currently difficult to distinguish.

I see no flaws on the stamp.
Oh ok, yes that was the only possible flaws I thought were there, but no nothing and can't find a listing on the purple overprints.
Thanks for your help. Still learning something new every day.
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Kainnikanada wrote: 20 Aug 2022 15:17 harry64,

No discussion of such a flaw in either BSAP or ACCCNSW from any of their Bulletins published since ca. 1984.

Appears to be a scratch since the shading line adjacent to the break in the coastline is also broken.

Thanks Rod.

Looking at a closer view it is quite a neat break.
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Looking with a stronger backlight it does look like the watermark may be affecting the area of interest.


Flaw? identified i think.
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harry64,

I will superimpose the two scans (face and annotated reverse with wmk highlighted) to see if the watermark has affected the area.

This most recent enlargement seems convincing, indicating a break, whereby the ink has slightly accumulated either side of the damage. Underlying watermark features, such as the 'Crown/A', lines etc. tend to spread out the wood fibers reducing the inking surface but not showing accumulation.

Additionally it is obvious that the coastline has been broken by something striking the cliche from lower left to upper right since portions of the damaged coastline appear as upward projections flanking either side of the break. A watermark wouldn't have such a forceful impact on the line work if it could do such damage.

The enlargement is great!!!
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Just listed up a 9d FIRST watermark (681JE) that has a similar flaw. ‘Break In Coast Of Gulf Of Carpentaria’ - ACSC 24(2)r.

More important, has the very rare BRISBANE CTO cancel now listed in ACSC.

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Glen,

I came across that flaw description in an old BSAP article (August 2004) prior to its listing in the ACSC. Bozic had just identified as 2R60 and mentioned it as a new listing in the future ACSC. I found the reference while searching for harry64's flawed stamp.
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Rod - this 9d has the sheet watermark line horizontally along base, which proves it is from lowest row of sheet. Plate Variety 24(2)r only occurs from that lower row of course.

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For the info of Roo collectors, the Phoenix Auction of this week got some brilliant results for a member here. 8-)

This 1d Red Roo was invoiced for about $A7,500 .. amazing .... with no cancel, worth just a couple of bucks!

Rod Perry will be turning in his grave. :mrgreen:


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And this ½d green 'QUEENSLAND' CTO one was invoiced for over double estimate at about $A3,100 -



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This 2½d 'QUEENSLAND' CTO one was also very strong ... being invoiced way above estimate at over $3,200.

The Dopey Bozic ACSC full value is $400. Even dopier ... the 1d above is in ASC at $500 but it was invoiced for $7,500 - FIFTEEN times full ACSC. :roll: :roll:


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PhilipAdams wrote: 07 Aug 2022 08:26
danyeung wrote: 06 Aug 2022 22:39 Can experienced members please help on this ½d roo ?

It was marked "balia" at the back of the stamp.

Does this stamp look like genuine Austbalia ? Thanks.

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A detailed discussion of the BALIA flaw is given in the ½d compendium of flaws.

See for example:
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Your stamp, sadly, fails the test.

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Hi Philip,

Thanks for your help. I read the information but am still confused on what the test is. Can you explain more on this ?

Also can I have your comments on the Bight and Spencer's Gulf coast line breaks ? Thanks
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daneyung,

Thanks for the follow up post.

First, the link that I sent explained the three occurrences identified by Pope that are necessary (but not always sufficient) to convert the letter R into the letter B and hence earn AUSTBALIA status.

These are:

"1. An ink clog occurs in the lower right extremity of the R of AUSTRALIA thus breaking the connection between the R and the A.
2. This along with a break in the shading between and at the bottom of the left and right uprights of the R forms the shape of the letter B.
3. finally, the lower centre of the B has also filled with an ink clog which further accentuates the B."

It is my opinion, and I stress the word opinion, that your stamp shows:

1. Some evidence of an ink clog in the lower right extremity of the R.
2. An incomplete break in the shading between and at the bottom of the left and right uprights of the R
3. Some evidence that the lower centre of the B has been partly filled with the ink clog.

Thus, in my opinion, it might be at best that you have an early version of AUSTBALIA. However, I would not give to it AUSTBALIA status.

The Bight and Spencer's gulf breaks are not identified in Pope or by Hammond as constant flaw indicators.

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Hi Philip,

Much appreciated of the detailed explanation :D

So the Bight and Spencer's gulf breaks are transient flaws and can't be used to plate this stamp.
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PhilipAdams wrote: 21 Aug 2022 18:37 First, the link that I sent explained the three occurrences....

These are:......
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Does the moon have to be at its apogee and ascendant in the eastern or western horizon when trying to identify the flaw?
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Don't get smart with me, mate.

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Hi All

I'm wondering if I can get this heavily cancelled 3rd watermark 6d plated. Seems to be a bit missing around his left leg, a bit of a line through the top left corner and a diagonal line from Yorke Peninsula to Eyre Peninsula.
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Tony,

Does the stamp have a back to it? ...or is it uni-sided?

We would prefer to see where the watermark is positioned etc. I believe you know the drill!
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Hello everyone, I'm back from holidays :)

Rod, I found another example of the first flaw I shared on 2/. roo. This time it's a vertical pair where I can also see a flaw on the upper stamp: A brown flaw between inner and outer right frame. Maybe that will help for your article?

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From a collection of scans from Bob Parsons that I have this pair is provisionally identified as 1L59-60. Both flaws you have identified are on the scan of the block of 30 NWPI SG 115 (3rd watermark). I might borrow a copy of your pair to use in a upcoming article I might write. I have to verify these flaws have not been previously written up. I will also have to confirm my reasoning for plating the NWPI block as 1L31-60.

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Welcome back.

These new scans are interesting. I do believe the frame flaw is related to the postmark. I do not recall seeing that previously although my head is cluttered with images. Will check out that flaw. The lower stamp with the flaws west of Tassie is interesting. I must investigate.

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Jérémie,

Could you please post an enlargement of the lower stamp's area along the coast of WA? I wish to confirm that ink clog between the shading lines is, I believe, 1R39. Might be confusing the plated position.

Maybe include a scan of the back of either stamp from the pair.

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Rod,

Thanks again for your answers. And good luck with your computer!

Here are the scans you asked for.

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Kainnikanada wrote: 22 Aug 2022 13:20 Tony,

Does the stamp have a back to it? ...or is it uni-sided?

We would prefer to see where the watermark is positioned etc. I believe you know the drill!
Sorry Rod here it is.
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Not really a "Flaw" here but the missing Nose has puzzled me.... ;)

Also are this "retouches" in the Bight + Spencer's Gulf?
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ACSC 48c (Double print of frame) of the 10/- limits (by footnote 6) the occurrence to OS punctures only.

The attached NWPI overprinted 3rd watermark 10/- shows signs of the doubling of the outer frame at top left, the Western Australia Coast and the Value Circle. It is clear that the 'double prints' are light kiss prints.

Is it possible that NWPI (well known for the use of 'seconds') also had examples of double prints of the 10/-.Double prints of the 5/- exist with NWPI overprint.
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CHzug1291 wrote: 28 Aug 2022 13:54 Not really a "Flaw" here but the missing Nose has puzzled me.... ;)

Also are this "retouches" in the Bight + Spencer's Gulf?

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Peter,

Thanks for your question on the 1d red.

I don't see any retouches in the Bight or Gulf.

It's unclear whether the missing nose is due to damage after or during printing. But it's a nice one to keep and brink out during conversations over a diet Coke or two.

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Peter,

Thanks for your question on the 1d red.

I don't see any retouches in the Bight or Gulf.

It's unclear whether the missing nose is due to damage after or during printing. But it's a nice one to keep and brink out during conversations over a diet Coke or two.

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Thank you for your reply Philip :!:

Here is the Bight..... :arrow:
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Don't tell me you are drinking " Diet Coke" ;)

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