Forgery-Japanese Occupation-Johore Malaya on ebay

[viswakumar]

Please checkout the item 230264359949 in the ebay. A Blatant forgery circa late 1940's from a Singapore dealer. He produced lot of Impressive INA ( Indian national Army) first flight covers with a jug cachet. The stationery is genuine and rest of the cancels arent.

Can some one from Singapore explain this to the dealer who has put it up in ebay now.


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[ronong]

Hi Viswakumar

You can contact the seller directly and explain to him. Wait for his reply and then decide the next axtion.

Regards
Ronald

[viswakumar]

I have done once so if I remember right about a year back on a forged Kelentan censor cover with a Maltese resealing label. The cover was genuine but the label was a later day addition. He ignored my mails.

Dr Majid bought it and then I told him about it. He said that he will send it back. Dont know what happened after that.

These guys ignore such mails when we tell them.

[crosscrescent]

viswakumar,

It would be nice if you can provide a scan of the item. I am not familiar with this item and perhaps many others are in the same boat as me. Providing such a scan helps to increase our knowledge and would be very much appreciated.

Cheers
Andrew

[viswakumar]

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This is the one

[viswakumar]

The seller also claims that a similar item has fetched $1105 in a recent auction.

[GlenStephens]

RARE SPECTACULAR GEMS- 1940s Japanese Occupation of Malaya Johore 4cents Sultan postmarked postcard cancelled blind d/r rare "BENTA" and censored with the rare spectacular postmarked. Very limited covers or card are postmarked with "BENTA" during the Japanese Occupation reign.Seldom seen in Ebay!!

Definitely an excellent exhibition piece for the Japanese Occupation/ Straits Settlements Specialist.

A similar item fetched USD1105 in a recent International Auctiomn.

Starting Low and No Reserve!!
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[GlenStephens]

Someone please send the seller a link to this thread which is:.

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?p=310194

The scammer has listed it on the USA site, and needs to play by the clear USA rules which are below.

And send ebay a 'report lot' post reminding ebay of the VERY clear rules ebay NOW have re stamp forgeries, which say:

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http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-stamps.html

Selling of Stamps

eBay does not permit the sale of stamps that are fraudulent or improperly described. Sellers who knowingly fail to disclose information about the authenticity of a stamp, alterations to the stamp, or other information that might have a material impact on the stamp's value may be reported to the American Philatelic Society.

If the stamp is a forgery, fake, reproduction or facsimile:

it must be clearly and indelibly marked as such

a clear image of this mark must be included

it must be clearly stated in the title and/or description

If unsure of the origin or authenticity of the stamp, please state this clearly in the listing. Do not sell an item "As Is" regarding its authenticity.

Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

Listing cancellation

Limits on account privileges

Account suspension

Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings

Loss of PowerSeller status

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http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/currstamps.html

Counterfeit Currency and Stamps

All forged stamps, facsimiles, and reproductions may be listed but need to be clearly and indelibly marked as such on either the front or back of the stamp. See "Additional Information" for more details.

Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

Listing cancellation

Limits on account privileges

Account suspension

Forfeit of ebay fees on cancelled listings

Loss of PowerSeller status

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Any seller on ebay listing stamps or overprints or perfins or covers that are forged must indelibly mark them thus on front and/or back.

Offering them without such markings can see the sellers removed in hours, if reported citing the above two VERY clear ebay policies.

Mention these two when you report them, and the ebay staffer can cancel accounts on the spot, citing these great new rules.

Glen

[clemo]

Glen

Using the vast knowledge encased in your noggin, are you aware of anybody who is well-versed in the overprints of the Japanese Occupation?

I would like some experts opinion on this item (be gentle).

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=6535&highlight=brunei

Clemo

[viswakumar]

I reported this item to the ebay two days back.

As

Listing Violations > Prohibited (banned items) > Currency, Coins, Stamps, Coupons, etc. > Fraudulently or improperly described stamps



Item number(s):
230264359949

Nothing seems to be happening

[hatter]

Hi, I have been watching this one on ebay. It is a confection by Mr W S Magness of Penang, he made a lot of things like this. It is not Japanese occupation at all, it is post war. The undated Benta cancel was used in the BMA to demonetize pre-war stationery. The other marks are by Magness, Nanyo Koshi marks are his very own.

Ebay have done nothing in response to Viswa's contact as far as I can see.

The same vendor is also offering 'Japanese occupation' on King George V, block of 4 stamps. Wrong King !! and it looks like a personal chop, it is NOT a Japanese overprint. He wants £430 for it

[crosscrescent]

Hatter,

Thanks for that info.
I don't read Japanese and although these are Malaya stamps,
I don't collect stamps from the Japanese period.
But hope that whoever does collect them,
reads your post and learn from it.

Cheers
Andrew

[viswakumar]

No they did not. Ebay did not remove it. And someone called docdeb19 from UK has bought it for some $24.

Going by his purchase history seems to be a British Commonwealth general collector .

So much for the ebay policy on forgeries.

[tonymacg]

Hi, I have been watching this one on ebay. It is a confection by Mr W S Magness of Penang, he made a lot of things like this. It is not Japanese occupation at all, it is post war. The undated Benta cancel was used in the BMA to demonetize pre-war stationery. The other marks are by Magness, Nanyo Koshi marks are his very own.

ebay have done nothing in response to Viswa's contact as far as I can see.

The same vendor is also offering 'Japanese occupation' on King George V, block of 4 stamps. Wrong King !! and it looks like a personal chop, it is NOT a Japanese overprint. He wants £430 for it

The wording on the George V block isn't clear enough to read, but it's most unlikely to be a personal seal. These are almost invariably small ovals (like the Sunagawa, Handa, Okugawa and - I think it should be - Uchiburi seals) or circles. I've never seen such a large square personal seal.

That said, I don't know what it might be otherwise. Perhaps it belonged to some body, government or private, or some sort.

[hatter]

Hi, yes the personal chops such as Handa and Sunagawa are small usually circular or oval. This is large and oblong. I thought it might be a company or personal mark used on a receipt ? but all the receipts I can recall have 6c on them.
whatever it is it is not what the vendor has responded to me -

"The postmarked is definitely genuine and it may maybe a military administration postmark looking at the wordings.
Regards - straits_collection "

caveat emptor as my old Latin teacher used to say

[Malaya]

Thanks to this thread I got interested in Magness' Nanyo Koshi business and found an example with the seal actually on a coconut stamp.

Pre-war Straits Settlements KGVI 2¢ postcard officially demonetized with Benta cancel, modified by W. S. Magness with his seals and Nanyo Koshi cachet and backdated to 2604 (1944) to make it look like Japanese occupation use.

I think it's a very interesting example of the philatelic madness gone out of control in Penang at the time, what with all the real Okugawa and Uchibori seals that infused an atmosphere of Oriental mysticism into a western stamp design.

[Malaya]

Here's another one, showing the seal by itself. I believe we rarely see Magness' personal name/address rubber stamp on such items.

Malaya Japanese occupation postcard with Magness Nanyo Koshi markings

The "PHILATELIC MAIL" cachet is also rare I believe. Some may feel that it spoils the card, but I feel it adds an element of parody to the recipe and says "I'm proud to be philatelic"!

[ligneN]

Nice to have a card published with the address of the faker himself.

He spoiled so many occupation stationery, japanese military mail cards inc. the better double "air mail" cards ec.

[LHJ]

This was purchased from a well known American dealer in Far Eastern material about 25-30 years ago so circa 1990 - has the tell tale jug cachet on the back and dealer graffiti.

[LHJ]

Dealer was Michael Rogers got me for $95 back in 1996.

[ligneN]

This was purchased from a well known American dealer in Far Eastern material about 25-30 years ago so circa 1990 - has the tell tale jug cachet on the back and dealer graffiti.

Thanks for showing this. Within his forgeries, these are less common.