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The idea of an ASFEC (A Stamp From Every Country) collection is quite appealing to me, but I'm intrigued to know how others approach such a collection.

Obviously, definitive stamps will be easiest to collect, given their commonality, but how have people decided which stamp is added to their ASFEC collection when there are just so many to choose from?

Could this be a good basis for a thematic collection? I can see difficulties to this approach with some of the 'early' countries which existed before commemorative stamps became a thing.

The first (or last/most recent) stamps from each country? Monarchs/Rulers? Or just a random selection based upon what you have to hand?

How do you choose!!

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I know many collectors attempting this try and get the first stamp issue, SG 1, from each country - but that would be very expensive in some cases!

You could try and get the first stamp/set issued after 1900 or 2000 which would be cheaper.

I presume your definition of a stamp issuing country follows the SG listing?

Would you consider a country name change, eg Swaziland to Eswatini to be a different issuing entity?

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I know it as ASFE. The C (country) in the acronym ASFEC does not add accuracy. Stamp-issuing entity and country are not equivalent to each other.

I found this website:

http://www.asfe.dk/

And here is a screenshot of the home page:
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I don't collect that, but I have done some reading on it. You can do it at different levels, from current countries to all stamp-issuing entities that have ever existed, or something in between.

I guess you can classify your ASFE goal according to a specific subject and call it your own thematic collection. It's your decision as the collector.
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Number-O-Ne wrote: 30 Oct 2023 01:04 I know it as ASFE. The C (country) in the acronym ASFEC does not add accuracy. Stamp-issuing entity and country are not equivalent to each other.

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I guess you can classify your ASFE goal according to a specific subject and call it your own thematic collection. It's your decision as the collector.
It may not add accuracy, but it does exactly what your last point suggests.
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norvic wrote: 30 Oct 2023 01:59
Number-O-Ne wrote: 30 Oct 2023 01:04 I know it as ASFE. The C (country) in the acronym ASFEC does not add accuracy. Stamp-issuing entity and country are not equivalent to each other.

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I guess you can classify your ASFE goal according to a specific subject and call it your own thematic collection. It's your decision as the collector.
It may not add accuracy, but it does exactly what your last point suggests.
Yes. It is certainly possible to collect one stamp from each country and to leave out any of the stamp-issuing entities that can not be defined as countries.
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Rockyman44 wrote: 30 Oct 2023 01:03 I presume your definition of a stamp issuing country follows the SG listing?

Would you consider a country name change, eg Swaziland to Eswatini to be a different issuing entity?
It does, for now... Your question raises an interesting point when it comes to previous colony areas such as the south African continent, some places have had many names and different stamp-issuing authorities! Not to mention the Saudi states.

As others have said (and thanks all for your comments and links!), at the end of the day it's down to the individual collector as to what the collection consists of or aspires to. I've now downloaded the AlbumEasy ASFEC album, which gives reasonable coverage as to what's available, with space to put whichever stamp you like into the appropriate spot. I'll probably start with just whatever I've got to hand for each entry, and adjust it as time passes to replace with better examples. Hopefully that way a 'theme' will gradually emerge.
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ocifant wrote: 30 Oct 2023 02:14
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Rockyman44 wrote: 30 Oct 2023 02:44
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ocifant wrote: 30 Oct 2023 02:26 I've now downloaded the AlbumEasy ASFEC album, which gives reasonable coverage as to what's available, with space to put whichever stamp you like into the appropriate spot. I'll probably start with just whatever I've got to hand for each entry, and adjust it as time passes to replace with better examples. Hopefully that way a 'theme' will gradually emerge.
The free AlbumEasy ASFEC album can be found here https://www.thestampweb.com/albums/free-downloads.
Scroll down to the bottom of the page where the album may be found in the Topical and Thematic section.
It can be downloaded as a ready-to-print PDF, or as an AlbumEasy file for anyone who would like to customise it.

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I would advise not to use that ASFEC album for your collection. There are many errors and missing entities.
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Stewie1980 wrote: 30 Oct 2023 04:27 I would advise not to use that ASFEC album for your collection. There are many errors and missing entities.
The author of this album put in hundreds of hours creating an excellent album, only for you to dismiss it in one short sentence without even bothering to suggest an alternative, or even bothering to back up your assertion. So which ASFEC album would you suggest instead?

Or perhaps you would be willing to spend thousands of hours compiling a stamp for every ENTITY album, good luck with that. It is so easy to sit on the sidelines and criticise, but actually doing ... not so much.
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This is meant to be a fun collection, so you can make your own rules. I call mine OFEC (one from every country). Your collection can consist of anywhere from 193 stamps (member nations in the UN) to over 50000, if that link above can be believed.

There are more than one premade albums available. Another example is the one available on the Smithsonian site. All albums have to make choices which you may or not agree with. The Smithsonian album has room for about 785 stamps and as with anything, is not completely free of errors.

As I wanted to make somewhat different decisions, I ended up compiling my own album. This did not take 1000's of hours as suggested. It took way under a hundred hours.

To answer the original post. How do I decide which stamps to use?

As this is a fun collection, I have no definite rules, but I use the following guidelines:

For countries where stamps are difficult to find, I take what I can get.
For countries where stamps are easier to find, I take stamps which interest me. This may be stamps which remind me of my innocent stamp collecting as a youth (e.g. for Germany I used one of the Germania series), one that reminds me of places I have visited, one that particularly represents the place, or one that just makes the page more colourful.

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I collect a sampling from each country, covering the important historical periods and most evocative images.

Were I to collect each stamp-producing entities, I would have to get at least one cheesy souvenir sheet from each of the agencies such as Stamperija. That might be an interesting collection but not my thing.

As for collecting from each country, there is the matter of countries one can find on a map but never issued stamps. Thurn and Taxis is the classic example of a company that served several such countries, but only the postmarks reveal which one any stamp was used in.
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To make an album such as the ASFEC album under discussion here, requires numerous decisions about what to include (and exclude), organization, where to get your information, etc. even before you start making the pages. I can appreciate the huge amount of work has been put into the creation of this album.

Since I don’t like album makers telling me what to collect or how to arrange my stamps on an album page, I would go with blank pages. That way I can decide what stamps to include and/or exclude, and how my pages look. It might be a good idea to start such a collection using stock pages until you get a better idea of what you want in such a collection because I'm sure your perameters will change.


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Stewie1980 wrote: 30 Oct 2023 04:27 I would advise not to use that ASFEC album for your collection. There are many errors and missing entities.
The author of this album put in hundreds of hours creating an excellent album, only for you to dismiss it in one short sentence without . . . even bothering to back up your assertion.
Clivel: Stewie1980 is correct: There are a fair number of inconsistencies, omissions and errors.

Consider this:

1. For Lithuania spaces are provided for 1918-1940, and 1990-
For Latvia spaces are provided for 1918-1940, and 1991-
For Estonia, a space is provided for 1991-
Why not for Estonia 1918-1940?

2. For Ukraine spaces are provided for 1918-1920, and 1991-
For Georgia spaces are provided for 1919-1920, and 1993-
For Armenia a space is provided for 1919-
For Azerbaijan a space is provided for 1919-
Why are Armenia and Azerbaijan not treated the same as Ukraine and Georgia? They also issued stamps from the national republics set up after World War I, and then they started issuing stamps again after the break-up of the USSR.

3. The stamps from Bushire, an Iranian city occupied by the British in 1915. Not listed under Iran or in the Occupation Stamps section.

4. Poland Offices in Gdansk (Danzig) 1925-36. Not listed under Poland, not listed in the Offices Abroad section.

5. Danzig is listed under Germany 1920-1939 even though it was set up by the League of Nations as a “free city” – that is, not a part of Germany. This album seems to list “dead countries” under the country where they are currently located, so Danzig ought to be listed under Poland, not Germany.

6. Russian occupation stamps of what became the DDR (in 1949) are missing from the Occupation Stamps section, as are the stamps issued by the Allied Military Government for Austria.

7. The Military stamps issued by the Free French Administration of Syria (1942-43) are not listed under France, Syria, or in the Military Stamps section.

8. After the 1962 revolution in Yemen and the civil war that followed, both sides issued stamps: the Yemen Arab Republic, and royalist Yemen. Yet stamps from neither side seem to be found in this album.

9. The many occupation stamps for various parts of Hungary after World War I seem to be missing: for Arad under French occupation; for Debrecen, Kolozsvar, Nagyvarad, and Timesvar under Romanian occupation; Timesvar, Banat, and Baranya under Serbian occupation. (At least they are not listed under Hungary or in the Occupation Stamps section.)

10. Local Stamps. Once you start including local stamps, where do you stop? The stamps listed here in the Local Stamps section barely scratch the surface of what exists. By the way, the Italian Office in the Ottoman Empire, listed in the Local Stamps section, should be listed instead in the Offices Abroad section.

I could go on. But this is enough to confirm what Stewie1980 said above.
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China
According to this album, Hong Kong returned to China in 2006...
Mainland China is a minefield pre-1949, but I am missing spaces for easy to find regional issues like East China and Northeast China.
On the Local Issues pages only spaces for South China, Yunnan and Mandchuria.

Democratic Republic of the Congo
It also includes three Spanish colonies which are now Equatorial Guinea and have never been a part of Congo.
And French Guinea, now the Republic of Guinea, 2000 miles away from Congo.

Eritrea
No space for the Italian colonial period 1885-1941.

Eswatini
Space for British protectorate 1889-1967 and Eswatini 2008-, but not for Swaziland 1967-2008.

Malaysia
Spaces for the Federated Malay States till 1963, but not for the Malaysian states after 1963.

Palestine
Space for the State of Palestine 2013-, but not for the issues from 1994-2013.

Territories, etc. - Guernsey
No space for Alderney.

Territories, etc. - Maldive Islands
The Maldives are an independent country and UN member. They should have their own page.

Territories, etc. - Palau Polynesia
?
There is allready a page for Palau.

local issues - Colombia
Only 2 out of 6 states which issued stamps.

local issues - Finland
Aland stamps are not local issues.

I'm also missing a space for Nagorno-Karabakh. It's an unrecognized country, but it's listed in the catalogues.
Turkish Cyprus has the same status and it got a space on the Territories pages.

I could also go on...


Local issues and some regional issues (like China) are also a minefield. I would advise a beginner to limit the collection to the entities listed in the world catalogues of SG or Scott. They list almost all regional issues I believe.

Start collecting in a stockbook on alphabetical or catalogue order and when you have enough material you can decide if you want to make an album yourself with blanc pages.
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Wow! I didn't realise I'd kicked a hornet's nest by mentioning the AlbumEasy (AE) ASFEC album!! Sorry if anyone has been upset by the disagreements caused by my innocence in this area.

Given that I've not heard of many of the apparent AE omissions, let alone own any stamps from them, I'll stick with the suggestion to go with the list as per the SG catalogue.

However, I will use the AE source file as a guide for layout. I'm familiar enough with the AE coding at this stage to be able to design my own pages, which I've done for some 'sets' that I have set aside in a separate folder. As most of my aquisitions are from bulk buys rather than specific stamp purchases, I'll be able to design pages for countries as I obtain them.

I think this is the best solution for me. I like Frank_King's guidelines for what to collect too, nothing too rigid, just to collect/display what pleases me.

Thanks again for all your comments and advice.
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ocifant wrote: 30 Oct 2023 20:12 Wow! I didn't realise I'd kicked a hornet's nest by mentioning the AlbumEasy (AE) ASFEC album!! Sorry if anyone has been upset by the disagreements caused by my innocence in this area.
You (ocifant) didn't kick a hornet's nest.
It was someone else who more or less challenged Stewie1980 to back up his assertion that there are many errors and missing entities in this album.
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If I ever started a collection along these lines I would first opt for stamps I already have (which would cover almost all countries) and for countries where I have an abundance of stamps I might opt for the one I thought looked the nicest or perhaps the one whose design seemed most relevant to the country in question.

I might mount them on a world map rather than in an album or stock-book. On that basis I might need quite a few stamps for each of the big countries!

I did once come up with the idea of producing a world map outline using stamps .... but that idea has not transformed itself into reality as yet, although someone did give me some continent templates to use.

I would have used a craft knife to trim the stamps on the coast line - so they wouldn't have been expensive stamps!
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AdmiralCollector wrote: 31 Oct 2023 02:39
ocifant wrote: 30 Oct 2023 20:12 Wow! I didn't realise I'd kicked a hornet's nest by mentioning the AlbumEasy (AE) ASFEC album!! Sorry if anyone has been upset by the disagreements caused by my innocence in this area.
You (ocifant) didn't kick a hornet's nest.
It was someone else who more or less challenged Stewie1980 to back up his assertion that there are many errors and missing entities in this album.
And it was someone else who decided to stick their nose in, in order to add fuel to the fire - I guess that some people aren't happy unless they are causing drama.
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lesbootman wrote: 31 Oct 2023 02:49 If I ever started a collection along these lines I would first opt for stamps I already have (which would cover almost all countries) and for countries where I have an abundance of stamps I might opt for the one I thought looked the nicest or perhaps the one whose design seemed most relevant to the country in question.

I might mount them on a world map rather than in an album or stock-book. On that basis I might need quite a few stamps for each of the big countries!

I did once come up with the idea of producing a world map outline using stamps .... but that idea has not transformed itself into reality as yet, although someone did give me some continent templates to use.

I would have used a craft knife to trim the stamps on the coast line - so they wouldn't have been expensive stamps!
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Here is an attempt to create such an album which is free to download.

https://stamps.org/Portals/0/albums/Stamp-for-Every-Country.pdf

This thread discusses it:
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=76793
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satsuma wrote: 31 Oct 2023 21:45 Here is an attempt to create such an album which is free to download.

https://stamps.org/Portals/0/albums/Stamp-for-Every-Country.pdf
With many of the same errors and missing entities as in the previous album...
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As is the case with any pre-printed album designed by someone other than yourself, in the end the decisions of what to include and not include by the designer will not always suit all potential users.

In the end I could create a Stamps for every Postal administration based off every separate postal administratiom currently listed on Colnect and still have potential users say that X or Y should be included.
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Greaden wrote: 30 Oct 2023 10:11As for collecting from each country, there is the matter of countries one can find on a map but never issued stamps. Thurn and Taxis is the classic example of a company that served several such countries, but only the postmarks reveal which one any stamp was used in.
For people like me, who are not aware of the history of Thurn and Taxis, Wikipedia has this:
The Princely House of Thurn and Taxis (German: Fürstenhaus Thurn und Taxis) is a family of German nobility that is part of the Briefadel. It was a key player in the postal services in Europe during the 16th century, until the end of the Holy Roman Empire in 1806, and became well known as the owner of breweries and commissioner of several castles. The family has resided in Regensburg since 1748 with their seat at St. Emmeram Castle from 1803. The family is one of the wealthiest in Germany, and the current head of the House is Albert, 12th Prince of Thurn and Taxis.

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The family operated the Thurn-und-Taxis Post, successor to the Imperial Reichspost of the Holy Roman Empire, between 1806 and 1867. Their postal service was gradually lost over the centuries, with the Spanish network being bought by the crown in the 18th century and the German post being purchased by Prussia after the fall of the Free City of Frankfurt in 1866.
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Re: 'One Stamp From Each Country': which stamp(s) do you choose and why?

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AdmiralCollector wrote: 31 Oct 2023 02:39
ocifant wrote: 30 Oct 2023 20:12 Wow! I didn't realise I'd kicked a hornet's nest by mentioning the AlbumEasy (AE) ASFEC album!! Sorry if anyone has been upset by the disagreements caused by my innocence in this area.
You (ocifant) didn't kick a hornet's nest.
It was someone else who more or less challenged Stewie1980 to back up his assertion that there are many errors and missing entities in this album.
This is a forum, not a one-on-one discussion. You made challenged somebody's assertion, somebody other than that person provided the evidence, and then yet another person did likewise. It demonstrates that there are glaring holes in what was suggested which may, or may not, influence a potential user.

Discussion is open to any one, get over it.
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Re: 'One Stamp From Each Country': which stamp(s) do you choose and why?

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There are some, albeit not many people, who have visited every country in the world. If that were me, I'd make a point of stopping along the way to pick up one block of mint stamps in each country or mail home a postcard from each country.

However, I've probably only been to less than 20 countries so that doesn't help your endeavours.

So I'd stick to SG #1 as best I could, even if it meant a few spacefillers for the most expensive ones.

Alternatively, when is your date of birth or another sentimentally important date to you? Perhaps one cover or postcard mailed from each country on that date - good luck finding all those postmarks! :lol:
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Re: 'One Stamp From Each Country': which stamp(s) do you choose and why?

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Maybe try and bite off a smaller chunk? Say every stamp issuing entity in Africa? And why aim for a stamp, try for a valid used cover that has gone through the mail. That would be hard for some of the small entities that came and went during various wars, but would be very rewarding.
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