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"Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 22 Nov 2009 04:50
by richardhlc
I got these stamps with backstamps by Errington and Martin at the local club auction a couple of days ago. I have seen the odd one in the past but not in any great number.

Errington and Martin was clearly a London dealer but I can't find any information about them.

Has anyone else come across these? Anyone have any information about Errington and Martin?

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Richard

Re: Errington and Martin dealer backstamps

Posted: 22 Nov 2009 05:06
by The Pom
Wow. They're subtle aren't they? Any chance of a scan of the front so we can see what stamps they ruined!
Cheers
Chris

Re: Errington and Martin dealer backstamps

Posted: 22 Nov 2009 05:13
by iomoon
Edgar Frank Errington and Benjamin Ernest Martin were philatelic importers located at 17 Gascoyne Road, South Hackney, E 9. The partnership was dissolved December 23rd, 1919 and taken over by Martin. It was later bought by Oswald Marsh and the high quality albums that they sold were acquired by Dauwalders of Salisbury, who still have them for sale.

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Posted: 22 Nov 2009 05:44
by richardhlc
Chris - these are the stamps that were defaced - they've seen better days!

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Iomoon - thanks for the information - much appreciated.

Richard

Re: Errington and Martin dealer backstamps

Posted: 22 Nov 2009 07:08
by The Pom
Makes you wonder why they even bothered to take the time and effort to stamp them.

Re: Errington and Martin dealer backstamps

Posted: 22 Nov 2009 07:15
by Philanthropist
The stamps are no great deal. :idea: :idea: Probably stamped as advertising, thrown in for free, as human nature of us collectors is to keep everything, and every time one looked at these, there was the advertisement and dealers details brought back to mind, even just looking at the front would remind us. And there were the address details for the next order,which put them ahead of the vast alternative of other dealers who did not have their address details sitting on the collector's page.
Just an idea, perhaps other explanations. Regards

Re: Errington and Martin dealer backstamps

Posted: 22 Nov 2009 07:29
by mrboggler
In my humble opinion,these stamps have now been enhanced and should be around until they fall appart,
If they had not been "Ruined" as The Pom said,,
they would be no more :(

Good pick up.of course you now understand that for the rest of your life you will now be checking the backs of all your stamps with great anticipation :lol:

Re: Errington and Martin dealer backstamps

Posted: 22 Nov 2009 08:46
by librarianc
Curiosity, unique, damaged........If New Zealand could do it, why couldn't these folks!

How many of us believe that some collectors will be debating our philatelic endeavors 100 years from now???

John A

Re: Errington and Martin dealer backstamps

Posted: 22 Nov 2009 22:29
by Lundy
Hi there,

i have about 10 of these now which have been found in old albums etc, as said before the stamps are nothing special but i like adding odd varieties like these in my collection as i think they make it more interesting!

Lundy :)

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 22 Nov 2009 23:55
by admin
What utter vandals. A light soak is not going to remove those, either.

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 23 Nov 2009 01:29
by Philatelius
By chance, I just ran across a brief article in the March 2006 American Philatelist (p. 218-220) that talks about various "unofficial" markings on the backs of stamps and postal stationery, and it mentions Errington & Martin.
Errington & Martin is a stamp company that was established in England in 1880. The firm specialized in importing stamps and, later, in selling approvals worldwide. Part of the firm's focus was that all stamps sold by Errington & Martin were guaranteed genuine. Indeed, the company was known for its efforts at battling forgeries throughout the first half of the twentieth century.

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 03 Mar 2011 00:17
by manfaefife
Here I go again opening up old threads ! The beauty of Stampboards, this thread showed up in google when I was looking at this stamp.

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Re: Errington and Martin dealer backstamps

Posted: 03 Mar 2011 00:30
by gavin-h
The Pom wrote:Makes you wonder why they even bothered to take the time and effort to stamp them.
admin wrote:What utter vandals. A light soak is not going to remove those, either.
Just a VERY cheap form of advertising for E&M - and very much like car dealers today who insist on festooning your pride-and-joy with their details :idea:

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 03 Mar 2011 03:17
by norvic
admin wrote:What utter vandals. A light soak is not going to remove those, either.
But the stamps are in cr*p condition anyway - I believe what they did was include one of these rather than using something like a compliments slip to show the source of the stamps.

Re the reference to New Zealand in another post, these are not (of course) advertising underprints as on NZ QV stamps, they were applied to rubbish used stamps that these wholesalers acquired in the course of their business.

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 17 Apr 2012 07:49
by tmyers
The other day I picked up the illustrated Costa Rican postal card in a lot.

Evidently Errington and Martin had a surplus of these cards and enclosed them as advertising with their approvals.

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Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 17 Apr 2012 12:15
by MargoZ
This 'Errington and Martin' album turned up recently- I particularly liked the description of how to add pages....'you do the hokey pokey and you turn about...' :shock:

The descriptions of stamp issuing entities were quaint too.

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Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 01 Aug 2012 15:25
by reginauld
Here is an image of an Errington & Martin advertisement; this one is on a Turkish revenue stamp from circa 1888.

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Does this detract from the stamp, which in this case is worth very little anyway? In collecting Ottoman era stamps, I often find owners', dealers' and so-called expertise marks, all of which were often used at that time. This is the first full blown advertisement I have found. This certainly adds interest, if not value! Regards.

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 01 Aug 2012 23:02
by HalfpennyYellow
These are the ones I have:

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Originally posted here: https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=38410

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 02 Aug 2012 03:48
by aethelwulf
MargoZ wrote:Image
If Ascension is lonely, Tristan da Cunha must be clinically depressed. 8)

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 03 Aug 2012 07:49
by Sark
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Hope this is of interest, an example of a limited to 2000 Gift Souvenir from E&M for Q.Victoria’s Diamond Jubilee of 22 June 1897.

The reverse gives details of how to redeem the coupon. I’ve seen several of these and both had the same NZ ½d but 2c or 5c New Brunswick stamps. Can’t tell if these stamps have the E&M cachets on the reverse.

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Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 29 Oct 2012 05:07
by IG2012
A printed New Years Greetings postcard for Errington and Martin date 1873 and posted in Bruges. A very early postcard with picture. Shame that it is poor condition.

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Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 30 Oct 2012 21:58
by chippin
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Sark,

Are these actual stamps attached to their advertising cards or printed as part of the card?

chippin

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 08 Nov 2012 07:23
by Lundy
Hi all,

Not wanting to sideline from Errington and Martin, but this is the first dealer advertisement I have seen on the front of a stamp!

Malcolm Morris- Perhaps he speciailized in errors given the reversed "E" in "Dealer" :lol:

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Lundy :D

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 08 Nov 2012 07:29
by PeterS
aethelwulf wrote:
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If Ascension is lonely, Tristan da Cunha must be clinically depressed. 8)
And St. Helena positively suicidal! :lol:

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 08 Nov 2012 09:15
by Sark
Chippin Hi

Just seen your question. Yes they did use real stamps though not always the same stamps. All the examples I remember seeing did however feature the Queens head.

Sark

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 08 Nov 2012 23:34
by chippin
Thanks Sark

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 16 Mar 2013 05:32
by mikethepom
I recently acquired these Indian government stamps with the Errington and Martin backstamps. It seems their idea of stamp collecting covered a fairly wide area. I discovered this site through my curiosity about these early dealers.

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Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 17 Mar 2013 02:15
by Britcollector
Here is an Indian revenue that was stamped by them:

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Back:

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And another:

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The back:

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Not exactly a loss as far as the stamps are concerned

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 18 Nov 2014 00:10
by Glyn Pope
I've just picked up an Errington stamp from an Oxfam shop. Interesting, though as one might say, a worthless item.
Glyn

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 18 Nov 2014 00:40
by JaceStamps
Here's one from Charles Winchell, New York City. A Similar style I'd say.

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Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 18 Nov 2014 01:25
by Glyn Pope
Here's my Errington & Martin.

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Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 18 Nov 2014 08:45
by Lakatoi 4
I only have one with this back stamp and it's on a very low value 2d. from the 1888 Centennial issue of NSW. It also has the common duplex 14 cancel of Orange:

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Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 18 Nov 2014 14:59
by Mitgar62
I don't have any backstamped stamps, but my very first album (40 years ago) was my dad's old Errimar book, and since then I inherited my grandad's as well. I still have them too, dad's book was totally rearranged decades ago (I use it now mainly for countries from which I have less than 30 stamps), but grandad's book is much as he left it, for some reason I've never got around to incorporating it into the rest of the collection.

New South Wales 1888 SG 254 imperf single used: forgery?

Posted: 30 Apr 2016 23:26
by Luis78
Hello,

I need help with the stamp below. It was acquired by my grandfather, or my great-grandfather, and neither my father nor I ever made much of it because we collect unused stamps only. So it has been sitting for ages in the "used ones" album, away from our main collection.

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But then we came across the SG March magazine, where a forgery (also used, albeit perfed) of the same stamps sells for £450.

We checked the SG cat (2013 version), and found that they only value imperfs as pairs, AND unused. So... we're lost.

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Thank you in advance for any help.

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 30 Apr 2016 23:35
by Global Admin
Simply an Errington & Martin dealer handstamp, on a worthless postal stationary cutout, given away as a freebie. :)

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 30 Apr 2016 23:42
by Luis78
Well that explains a lot :lol:

Thanks

Re: Errington and Martin dealer backstamps

Posted: 05 May 2016 00:44
by norvic
iomoon wrote:Edgar Frank Errington and Benjamin Ernest Martin were philatelic importers located at 17 Gascoyne Road, South Hackney, E 9. The partnership was dissolved December 23rd, 1919 and taken over by Martin. It was later bought by Oswald Marsh and the high quality albums that they sold were acquired by Dauwalders of Salisbury, who still have them for sale.
This week's blog post from Trevor Pateman (Russia specialist) includes reference to these dealers.

Approvals, Bundleware, Packets - Salvaging from the Past of Stamp Collecting
This last week I bought a couple of thousand old envelopes which housed the basically pre-1939 Latin America stock of a London dealer, Oswald Marsh, who had incorporated into his own stock the earlier stock of another London firm, Errington and Martin.
Food for thought on the actual process of bundleware, and why so many older stamps are damaged through being in bundleware.

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 25 Apr 2017 10:58
by lionelmc
Hello, I attended the Oshawa stamp auction yesterday and bought 15 "stamps of many lands" blank books about 5" x 8" and full of better quality stamps. I started with Brazil and found an Errington & Martin, South Hackney; very exciting! The stamp is a blue 50 Reis with an oval mountain scene that could be the sugar loaf at Rio surrounded by estados unidos Brazil. Does anyone collect these?

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 25 Apr 2017 18:37
by steevh
I've got dozens of those Errimar backstamps.
Judging from my lot, they used to do them to anything that was damaged or had a 1d catalogue value, back in about 1900.
Some of those 'junk' stamps have a much higher CV today.
There must be a million of them out there -- they crop up all the time.
They must have had the office boy doing them to keep him busy.

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 27 Sep 2017 21:01
by manfaefife
Come across this one on the back of an India revenue.
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Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 28 Sep 2017 01:36
by gmoney
This thread has had all images transferred to Imgur and has been restored to its former glory by the volunteers working in the "Anti Ransom Forum".

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 28 Sep 2017 01:50
by Global Admin
Well done John .. a very interesting thread. :)

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 28 Sep 2017 05:47
by Lundy
Well done John, I think I have a couple of there since in last looked at this thread from other dealers, will add up when I get chance

Lundy :D

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 07 Oct 2017 13:20
by azzaro
Picked up and Errington and Martin Philatelic Atlas this morning at a flea market for 50c.........cant scan atm as no scanner. will try to photograph later.

No date but it cost ONE Shilling and has 10 philatelic maps.

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 03 Feb 2018 18:48
by Rod Perry
Just listed on eBay, with a number of other Trader/Collector memorabilia items:

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https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/202213684508
Rod

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 22 Mar 2018 00:24
by Global Admin
"Errington and Martin" stamp dealers seemed to spend more time on marketing, than selling stamps. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 29 Oct 2019 20:49
by HalfpennyYellow
This unused Errington & Martin gummed book post paid label just appeared for sale on eBay:
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283657218284
According to the listing it dates back to around 1930.

The seller is fahlagoon and it is available buy-it-now for £18.

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 01 Nov 2019 03:10
by manfaefife
It seems it's not confined to stamps, this advertising, this is on a card from Bulgaria.
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Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 07 Dec 2019 07:18
by RobRoyH
An item found in an ISWSC Sales Circuit.

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Vittorio Chieri / Stamp Exchange / LIVORNO Italia


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1863 France – Napolean III – Scott 35

There are a number of different threads discussing these advertising back stamps but rather than start a new topic I thought it would be best to bump this excellent reference. It already had examples of two other dealers and from two different countries.

Here is another dealer and another country…. does anyone else have others?

Re: "Errington and Martin" UK stamp dealer backstamps

Posted: 28 Oct 2020 00:44
by goof
I just picked up a couple of these in a bundle of old envelopes untouched for 90 years.
Nice of them to spoil a couple of good looking items, but history is history!

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regards
Mick