Discussion on the 1925 issued New Zealand Railway Charges stamps etc

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Er, that's version 16. I did ask that you wait until I'd put 17 up.
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My apologies Adam. I just read your last comment and assumed it had been updated.

"Glen has posted the Charges pdf link just above. It remains constant, just the PDF contents alter.
The RPSNZ also host copies on their public site, as a back-up.
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Well great effort Darren. A near updated listing, is a ton better than none at all, which is what we had last week. :lol:
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W5LDY wrote: 22 Apr 2022 20:31 As a seller of these in the past (I still have more somewhere) I am interested to know relative scarcity and any pricing structure for mint examples.

I see Elsmore quotes mint x4 but this is all a bit vague.

Surely some values are seen more often than others in mint condition, although it seems from my initial research very few seem to crop up of any value.
This thread is building into a superb resource for these issues.

I still have not had any replies to this query from about a year ago though, would love to know more.
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Version 17 of my online monograph is now uploaded.

http://www.78rpm.net.nz/couriers/NZR/New%20Zealand%20Railway%20Charges%20stamps%20ebook.pdf

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adam78 wrote: 19 May 2023 09:50 Version 17 of my online monograph is now uploaded.

http://www.78rpm.net.nz/couriers/NZR/New%20Zealand%20Railway%20Charges%20stamps%20ebook.pdf

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Excellent work, fascinating issues which I have had quite a few over the years, very helpful and informative.

One question I asked earlier on this thread which I will repeat, it would be great to know relative scarcity and values for mint examples of each value compared to used?
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Mint ones are almost non-existent, as they were ALL used on parcels.

Few philatelists bothered with them either, as unlike "Postage Stamps" which appear in new values and designs every year or so, these ones never changed. And the unattractive way of cancelling them (indelible pencil squiggle) did little to endear them to collectors.

Until today, of course.

And today, few have survived. Just look at the bidding frenzy every time one is offered at auction!
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Panterra wrote: 19 May 2023 19:32 Mint ones are almost non-existent, as they were ALL used on parcels.

Few philatelists bothered with them either, as unlike "Postage Stamps" which appear in new values and designs every year or so, these ones never changed. And the unattractive way of cancelling them (indelible pencil squiggle) did little to endear them to collectors.

Until today, of course.

And today, few have survived. Just look at the bidding frenzy every time one is offered at auction!
That's interesting Panterra, thanks for posting a reply.

It would be useful to know incidence and relative scarcity of mint examples appearing if they are indeed that scarce, perhaps this could be attempted in a future version of the monograph.
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Near complete mint, unoverprinted sheets of six values are held in NZ's National Archives.
I took these photos last time I was there (in 2012), for the record.
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But you can't count those "archives" sheets as "available mint stamps in the market", as they are museum specimens and not available to collectors.

Do you have any mint ones, Adam? I think the quantity of extant mint examples is what W5LDY is asking about.

I have never seen a mint one! And suspect they are like dodo eggs.
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I do have a few, all with full gum.

I think the ½d mint block may cause a stir. :o
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Panterra wrote: 20 May 2023 14:38 But you can't count those "archives" sheets as "available mint stamps in the market", as they are museum specimens and not available to collectors.

Do you have any mint ones, Adam? I think the quantity of extant mint examples is what W5LDY is asking about.

I have never seen a mint one! And suspect they are like dodo eggs.
I never suggested they were "available". The discussion on mint items reminded me I had these images.

I've had a 2d and 3d unoverprinted. I've seen the DUNEDIN 2d strip of 3, and noted a 2d pair H/S WAIPUKURUA sold on ebay in 2020 for NZ$290. Richard Wooders at The Complete Stamp Co has a block of 4 unoverprinted 2d for $500 and another 2d DUNEDIN currently. I can't recall seeing any values 6d and up offered anywhere MUH or MLH.
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This is one of my favourite threads on Stampboards, tons of information, great monographs by Adam and some interesting new discoveries.

Here are a few recent acquisitions, listed on eBay 7 day auction from this afternoon.

A specialised collection of the Newspaper stamps, together with a selection of the Railway Charges, both with some scarce items amongst them.
Railway Charges parcel piece, Petone station doubled
Railway Charges parcel piece, Petone station doubled
Railway Charges 1d Johnsonvl station opt.
Railway Charges 1d Johnsonvl station opt.
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Which came first, this or the early Natal stamps?

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I take it you mean the embossed types from 1857-61 as below.

I would guess no more than a passing resemblance.
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I listed up this NZ printed 1893 Cook Islands 10d top value tonight - check the similarities to the design! Exact same font even.

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Global Admin wrote: 01 Mar 2024 03:11 I listed up this NZ printed 1893 Cook Islands 10d top value tonight - check the similarities to the design!

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Both printed by the New Zealand Government Printing Office could explain quite a lot.
Cook Islands issued 1892, Newspaper stamps printed in 1891/2.
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Global Admin wrote: 01 Mar 2024 03:11 I listed up this NZ printed 1893 Cook Islands 10d top value tonight - check the similarities to the design! Exact same font even.

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I'd forgotten those Cook Is stamps and yes, it makes much sense that the NZR would have similar designs: very utilitarian. Oh, those were the days of simplicity.
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