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Also a 5/- First wmk with Brisbane CTO cancel.

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Scissor-trimmed perfs. at left.

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capetriangle wrote: 16 Jul 2022 03:24 Scissor-trimmed perfs. at left.

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As is stated in the item description:
With scissor clipped perforation down left which might have been partly reperforated, otherwise is fine used.
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Just saw this closed a couple or so minutes ago. It went from £93.50 to £389.88 in the last two seconds.

I was astonished at the price.

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CV for the 5/- with Brisbane CTO is $A1250, so that's a sale price of about 55% of CV.

The marginal singles went for £28 & £50.
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I am surprised it even catalogues that highly.

I admit I am hopelessly out of date with Commonwealth of Australia prices which together with my prejudice against the C.T.O. examples and my dislike of the perfs. at left the price surprised me.

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Most CTO were done in Melbourne, the Brisbane examples are extremely scarce.
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capetriangle wrote: 16 Jul 2022 06:44
I was astonished at the price.

Actually it was - rather low at ¬$A700. In a real auction here, it would have cost a lot more. The stamp was NOT reperforated, as seller oddly alluded to, which probably impacted some bids.

As a real world comparison, Arthur Gray's 5/- BRISBANE, also with scissor cut perfs at left, was invoiced for $A1,450 in 2016 -

https://www.millenniumauctions.com.au/search.php3?showcatego ... auction=60


Many other BRISBANE CTO exist with the scissor cut perfs, as these were often used for VIP Presentation sets -


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Arthur Gray 9d BRISBANE CTO cancel also with scissor cut perfs 2 sides.  Invoiced for $845
Arthur Gray 9d BRISBANE CTO cancel also with scissor cut perfs 2 sides. Invoiced for $845

The ''Brisbane'' cancels all had less than a sheet issued. We know some values were down to a dozen or so copies issued. CURRENT ACSC prices are now more in line with the market than they once were, although most are still a little light. I just listed up a humble 9d Violet below this week for $A750, with an ACSC Plate variety 24(2)r, so will be UNIQUE (Arthur Gray's 9d was no variety was invoiced for $A845) Mine also has the identifiable and essential key '3.15pm' date code section of this special cancel. :lol:

Australia 1913 9d Roo BRISBANE CTO cancel, being UNIQUE with ACC plate variety 24(2)r.
Australia 1913 9d Roo BRISBANE CTO cancel, being UNIQUE with ACC plate variety 24(2)r.

Note the bullish $A2,675 price this truly ugly BRISBANE QUEENSLAND low value cto got - from

https://glenstephens.com/sndecember19.html

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The demand is unabated, and the recent auction results are gobsmacking really. The very ugly, and humble 1913 ½d green Roo seen nearby, ACSC #1wd, was invoiced way above estimate at $2,675 in the Phoenix Melbourne, November 15, 2019 Auction.

Sadly the ACSC allowed an ebay seller to price these things, and realisations TEN times full ACSC are routine for these cancels. An equally humble 2d Grey, also with no date on the cds, was invoiced for $A2,900 in the same November 15, 2019 Phoenix sale.

These Brisbane CTO cancels are all scarce, as only a sheet or so of each were done, and not all of those were distributed. All bear a quarter of the heavyish looking cds cancel of “BRISBANE - 12 NO: 13 - QUEENSLAND”.

I have the 5/- 1913 with the same cancel in stock, (a scarce stamp with ANY cancel) indeed mine shows the date, for a THIRD what the ½d above just sold for! A 1913 £1 with non-dated BRISBANE part cancel was invoiced for $3,250 at the same Phoenix auction.

It is a challenging field, and supply is low, and demand is high. There are MANY different cancel types. The ACSC “Kangaroos” catalogue is a handy guide, despite the Froot Loop prices given to all these BRISBANE cancels, well after strong Auction results had clearly indicated their scarcity, and the red-hot real world prices.
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Thanks for the information, I did not realize that scissor-trimmed perfs. were to be expected on these - like some of the U.S. Special Printings, nor their relative scarcity when compared to the Melbourne ones.

It was the jump from £93.50 to £389.88 in the last two seconds which surprised me.

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capetriangle wrote: 17 Jul 2022 04:24 The Pom, Global Administrator

Thanks for the information, I did not realize that scissor-trimmed perfs. were to be expected on these - like some of the U.S. Special Printings, nor their relative scarcity when compared to the Melbourne ones.

It was the jump from £93.50 to £389.88 in the last two seconds which surprised me.

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Richard.. not 'expected' but prevalent on many genuine examples.

No-one sane of course bids on anything of real value on eBay other than by a snipe program in last 2 or 3 seconds. :lol:

Even so, it was very cheap, way under what a real auction here would have seen.

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Global Administrator wrote: 17 Jul 2022 04:29
Richard.. not 'expected' but prevalent on many genuine examples.

No-one sane of course bids on anything of real value on eBay other than by a snipe program in last 2 or 3 seconds. :lol:

Even so, it was very cheap, way under what a real auction here would have seen.

Glen

Not sure what the difference between prevalent and expected is.

I have never used a sniping program - I do not have the computer skills - however I now buy virtually nothing from ebay. I happily concede insanity.

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You can happily type 12,000 messages here and press SUBMIT, but can't type a $ bid figure into a free snipe program and hit SUBMIT. Gotcha. :idea:

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Global Administrator wrote: 17 Jul 2022 05:31 You can happily type 12,000 messages here and press SUBMIT, but can't type a $ bid figure into a free snipe program and hit SUBMIT. Gotcha. :idea: Yes, precisely. You may recall that you once criticized me for not being able to find the print button on my computer, I replied saying that it was a perfectly legitimate criticism.

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capetriangle wrote: 17 Jul 2022 04:40
Not sure what the difference between prevalent and expected is.
Prevalent can be thought of as "not unexpected".

So, what's the difference between expected and not unexpected?

Think about a coin toss. You can't expect a head to be face up, but it's not unexpected if it is.
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These scarce 1st watermark kangaroos with Brisbane cto cancels pictured, are from blocks of eight retained by the GPO in Brisbane.

The balance of the sheets were returned to the GPO in Melbourne, and then to the archives.

There are only two of the 1d and 2½d known.

They were purchased in pairs, the other two are in the Arthur Gray collection.

Three of the 5d are known.

As noted in previous posts they have trimmed perforations.

A complete collection of Brisbane CTO kangaroos, amongst other scarce CTO's blocks are coming up at a major auction house next month.

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Some more scarce blocks coming up at Phoenix auctions mid August.

These are part of my CTO collection which took over twenty years to accumulate, which include a complete collection of Kangaroo Brisbane cancels, some in blocks of four.
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Nice to see items posted, I would like to see more.
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They can be seen here on the Phoenix auction webpage in the 1st Watermark 'roos section.

Some nice philatelic eye candy there:

http://www.phoenixauctions.com.au/cgi-bin/wsPhoenix.sh/viewl ... auction=94
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2/- Brown Kangaroo Block of 4 with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
2/- Brown Kangaroo Block of 4 with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
6d Blue Kangaroo Block of 4 with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
6d Blue Kangaroo Block of 4 with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
4d Orange Kangaroo Block of 4 with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
4d Orange Kangaroo Block of 4 with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
3d Olive Die I Kangaroo Block of 4 with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
3d Olive Die I Kangaroo Block of 4 with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
3d Olive Die I Kangaroo Block of 4 with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
3d Olive Die I Kangaroo Block of 4 with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
2d Grey Kangaroo Block of 4 with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
2d Grey Kangaroo Block of 4 with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
Some examples of Mark Houston’s Kangaroos in Blocks of 4 with ‘QUEENSLAND’ CTO cancels.
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£2Black & Rose pair with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
£2Black & Rose pair with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
£1 Brown & Blue with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
£1 Brown & Blue with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
10/- Grey & Pink with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
10/- Grey & Pink with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
5/- Grey & Chrome with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
5/- Grey & Chrome with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
2/- Brown with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
2/- Brown with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
1/- Green pair with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
1/- Green pair with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
9d Deep Violet with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
9d Deep Violet with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
5d Chestnut with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
5d Chestnut with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
2½d Indigo with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
2½d Indigo with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
1d Deep Red with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
1d Deep Red with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO
½d Green with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
½d Green with 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancel.
Other examples of the 'QUEENSLAND' CTO cancels. All forming part of Phoenix Auctions, Auction No.94, 18th August 2022.
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Nice stamps, but you need to sort out your scanner - the yellowish-green line is rather distracting!
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