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Hi Glen,

You asked me to give some details about the greatest Australian stamp discovery of the latter half of the 20th century (arguably of the 20th century).

I first heard about it in Sept./Oct. 1998, I had called in to see Dr. Geoff Kellow in Melbourne. He had just received a letter from a gentleman in Central Europe (I'll call him Mr. Gee) included in the letter was a photocopy of an article that he was about to publish in a society journal, of which I am also a member.

The article stated "I have just acquired an accumulation of 40-42kgs (!!) used stamps on piece" all of which have never been checked, the article also showed the following stamps.

KGV½d Green Single Line Perf. used Perforated O.S.
KGV ½d Green Single Line Perf. used with part JBC Monogram.
KGV 1d Large Multi. Watermark used Cooke Carmine Pink Perforated O.S.
KGV 1d Crown over A block of 4 used with Rusted Clichés, Thin G & dot on Y

None of the above were known to exist in 1998

Needless to say I was keen to make contact with Mr. Gee, as I am a keen student of the KGV 1d's and I had noticed that the KGV 1d Cooke stamp had the 'Run N' flaw which had not been mentioned in the article, but I decided that I could not make contact with Mr. Gee until after the article had been published in the society journal, after all I only knew about it via a private letter to Dr. Kellow.

As soon as the article had been published I phoned Mr. Gee, and during our conversation he said that he thought he had found a number of Salmon Eosin's, but he was not sure as he had never seen a certified copy of the stamp, he also agreed to send me 3 A4 photocopy pages of the stamps and I agreed to send him a group of shades, Pink's, Carmine Pink's, Salmons & a Salmon Eosin so he could check his stamps.

I showed the 3 A4 Photocopy pages of the Salmon Eosin's to a few people and they were of the opinion that the stamps wold turn out to be Pink's or Salmon shades, I think their reasoning was that there were so many of them so they could not be Salmon Eosin's, but I wasn't so sure as the Nov. 1917 cancellation of Singleton & Wagga Wagga were there as well as many smaller towns from these areas that only experts would know are known on the Salmon Eosin.

I asked and eventually purchased some of Mr. Gee's Salmon Eosin's

I also arranged to call in and see Mr. Gee on my way to the UK later in 1999.

The Find:

Mr.Gee goes to most of the stamp shows in Europe, and asks the dealers 'Have you got any Australian stamps" and he has picked up some very fine material over there, and this is what he told me when we met.

When he attended a stamp show in Italy he asked the same question again, and one dealer said "Yes I've got some ½kg packets here and they are unpicked." Mr. Gee was a bit skeptical about that as he had heard that before, but decided to buy 4 packets just in case (this was one of the best things he had ever done as far as stamp collecting is concerned.)

The next day Mr. Gee drove home, and that night he started to sort the stamps out, and what he found got him very excited, there were Rusted clichés, Sub-cliché's, Die 2's & major flaws.

He didn't get much sleep that night, he wanted to get some more of this material but there was a problem, he hadn't got the dealers name or phone number and he had to go to work the next day, how could he get the stamps?

A friend of Mr. Gee's was a commissioner at the show, so he phoned him and described where the dealer's stand was at the show and asked him to "Buy all the ½kg packets of Australian stamps he has left, and get his name and phone number, I'll square up with you when next we meet"

The dealer had not sold any of the packets since Mr. Gee's purchase and the commissioner was able to purchase a further 4 packets for him.

Later Mr. Gee phoned the dealer, and it turned out that the dealer had been making up packets from a tea chest full of Australian stamps. Eventually Mr. Gee purchased the tea chest from the dealer, and after the deal had been done the dealer made the casual comment "I think we have another tea chest somewhere, if I find it I'll let you Know"

Much later the second tea chest was found and purchased by Mr. Gee. making a total of about 70 kgs in total.

It was agreed with Mr. Gee that I would bring an ultra violet lamp and a set of Salmon Eosin shades with me and we would check out his Eosin's.

I contacted a friend in Sydney and we made up a set of 12 eosin's covering the various shades for the Salmon Eosin group.

I packed the U/V lamp in my hand luggage and surrounded it with jumpers to help protect it, I guessed that it would cause a bit of a problem at the airports when I checked it through, but Melbourne was not too bad.

Getting back on the plane at Kuala Lumpur was a different story with guards coming over with automatic guns at the ready, then very very slowly undoing the case to show them the lamp, and trying to explain to them what it was used for and that it wasn't a bomb.

I also had with me a letter confirming my appointment to view the Queens collection in London which I showed them explaining that I was only a stamp collector.

And this was before 9/11, I don't think I would do it now. And the wife realized that we would have to go through all this again on the way back, she was not impressed saying she always new stamp collectors were nutter's and this has proven it.

When I checked Mr. Gee's Eosin's I was able to confirm that all but one were in the salmon Eosin group, he had the full range, Rose's, Pink's, Yellow's & Salmon's, it was wonderful to see such a fine display, as these had not seen the light of day for about 80 years.

As stated earlier I had purchased a couple of Eosin's from Mr. Gee, and he sold me another one that made up a pair, but the incredible thing is that one was found in the 1st tea chest and the other in the 2nd, now what are the odds of that?.

Another interesting piece that was found was a mint Salmon Eosin Monogram, no stamp but just the Monogram, but it is the only one known.

Before I met Mr. Gee he had sent me 6½kgs of stamps from the find (he had already checked them), I kept asking how much do I owe you?

He eventually told me that as I had paid some account's for him in Australia (to save bank charges etc.) if I was happy we would call things square, I can assure you I was more than happy with that.

Later Mr. Gee told me that he had sent 30kgs to a friend in the UK whom I happened to know, and when I met him at London 2000 I asked him if he had any of the damaged stamps left that he wanted to sell, 'I'm sorry, but I sorted them out and chucked the damaged one's in the garbage bin"

What a loss to the Postmark collector as within the first couple of hours of looking at my lot I found a vertical pair of 1d Victoria stamps and the postmark looked different, so I consulted 'The Post Offices and Hand-held Date Stamps of Victoria' by Watson,Webster and Wood, luckily it was from Barnawartha and listed as number 30 and has several ??? against it.

I asked Gary & David "why"? - and it turned out that at that time they had only ever seen 3 part strikes of the cancel, and here it was a full strike on a pair of common 1d Victoria stamps, and I have found several more interesting items from the lot.

I've been asked a few times how many stamps were in the find?

IF my lot was a representative sample I can give a fair estimate, I weighed out 3 x 100gm lots and they averaged 1000 per 100gm (remember many of them are still on paper) so 10 x 1000 = 10,000 per kg so 70kg = 700,000 stamps.

Where did they come from?:

It is hard to give a definite answer to this, but from what Mr. Gee was told by the dealer and what I have found in my lot it would appear that the stamps were collected in about July 1919 (latest date found, but from the late 1890's) they may have been collected for the Red Cross or some other charity.

They were purchased by the Italian dealer's Grandfather and eventually placed in their cellar and forgotten about.

They survived World War 2 and stayed there until the late 1990's when the dealer found them, and decided to make up some packets and take some to the stamp show.

Before going to Europe a collector let me know that he would be very keen to purchase the KGV Single Line Perf. ½d's, but Mr. Gee was not interested in selling them, he said "I wish you had tried to purchase them on the cheap as it would have been a lot easier to say no to your offer"

I believe that all the important items from this find have now found new homes, and the new custodians will look after them for the future generations of collectors.

I suppose the moral of this discovery (if there is one) is 'If you don't ask you'll never know' and look what you may be missing.

Regards David :)
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Thanks so much David for taking the time to put this on paper - for the first time AFAIK. 8)

I wrote an overview at the time of some of the main pieces discovered, but have never seen all the gaps in the story filled in so nicely!

Please add a few scans when you have time of the nicer pieces you have from this amazing hoard!

Many folks would not be aware of exactly how enormous 70 kilos on paper is.

I flew to the USA last week with three x 20 kilo huge Lighthouse stockbook cartons of kiloware, shown below on the hotel trolley.

These boxes are end on, i.e. they are 2 or 3 times as wide - or near 2 wine cartons sized each.

To get the kiloware in there I need to stand on them to close them down.

This was all Australian modern commems, but to imagine those 3 massive boxes crammed with KGV 1d red era on piece ..... !

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David .. some readers might not be aware of the retail today of some of the items you highlight but the used sub cliché block would be $1000 if I had one for sale, and genuine used Salmon Eosins start at a few $1,000 and go upwards! This guy had a fistful of those. :shock:

It would be like walking into King Tut's Tomb to a KGV addict. 8)
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What a wonderful story. I am in awe of the possibility of coming across such a find. Thanks David and Glen
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"MF" or "Mr Gee" contacted me some years ago re a solo use of the 4½d Red KGVI stamp on postcard.

I wrote this up in my column - at the time it was unknown - even by Rod Perry.

So he certainly turned up some VERY nice things in Europe! 8)
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Now, for the Yanks, tell us what a Eosin is; we assume "salmon" is a shade variety, reddish pink or thereabouts. Maybe we'll find one too.
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I think most of the good finds and discoveries are coming from Europe, as we seemed to have worked the local market to death.

Also remember in this period a huge amount of mail was also going home to relatives. Also the home collecting market was very small compared to UK and Europe.

The other thing is that Australian stamps have always been collected by Europeans/UK. I have bought several albums mainly from the UK at prices well below those asked in Australia (even if you add the horrific RMail postage).

Finds like this only add to the enthusiasm of stamp collecting here.
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The ACSC gives an excellent commentary on how this colour arose and how to detect it.
"Eosin is a dye stuff made from the action of bromine on fluorescein. It is a bright red stain used for microscopic slides, for dyeing cotton, silk and wool, and for making red ink".
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David,

What a great story and how lucky that those stamps remained undamaged over the years. 8)

I understand that Michael Drury at one stage wanted to look at all the salmon eosin's discovered with recognisable postmarks to further his research in that area. Don't know if this is still the case though.
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The right man found this bulk of stamps.

I do not know any other private person, who could work up this enormous mass of red stamps. He had the knowledge, so he can.

By the way, all my salmon eosins, rusted chlichés and substituted clichés are from him.

I called him yesterday evening and told him about this thread. :)
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I wonder if this is the same 'MF' I bought some nwpi material off recently? MUH perf OS nwpi post office fresh and well centred.

He scanned some of his collection of these for me, some quite amazing MUH blocks and multiples of everything.

Perf OS unused is much scarcer than used, and blocks or the items with low issued numbers are quite scarce.

Bought them in Europe years ago he told me.
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Hi Rolin,

I'm sure you won't give any of Mr.Gee's details here unless you get his permission first, as I would not like to be the cause of him getting unwanted letters or phone calls.

I was unable to contact Mr. Gee before I started this post, but I do not think there is any think in the post that will identify him

Regards David :)
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David, while there are not a huge amount of responses to this thread, as one of the "peanut gallery" I would like to thank you for posting this remarkable story, and my only wish is that it was longer.

It would make a great story for Stamp News, with a few illustrations to add the colour.

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Hi doug2222usa,

Salmon Eosin is the description of a shade used to print the Australian KGV 1d stamps in Nov. 1917.

Until recently it had always been stated that the inks used for printing this stamp came from Germany, but a letter has just been found by Dr. G. Kellow in the archives from T.S.Harrinson (the note printer) to J.B.Cooke (the stamp printer) stating the ink used in printing the bank notes was obtained in Australia and they were satisfactory (but may be this firm got there supply from Germany ?) so it could be possible that Cooke also obtained his inks for printing the stamps from the same source.

Where ever the inks did come from, with the outbreak of World War 1 this supply was no longer available and the inks had to be obtained from else where, this didn't cause to much of a problem at the start, until the period Oct.1917 to Feb. 1918. when some 10 different shades appeared in this period, and the scarcest shade is the Salmon Eosin, a used copy now sells for between $1000.00-$1500.00++ for a nice copy.

Most of these were issued in New South Wales, the main areas being Singleton & Wagga Wagga, and the reason Mr. Gee found several copies is that most of the 70kgs came from N.S.W.

I will try and show you the difference in the shades later in the week, I'm not sure how it will turn out as every one's computer may show it differently but we'll give it a try.

Regards David :)
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Hi Tony,

Yes Michael has all the information, and when life becomes less hectic he is going to write the book, and I've booked the first copy of the press.

Glad you enjoyed the post.

Regards David :)
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What a wonderful, incredibly interesting article. I really enjoyed it and learnt a lot from it. Greatly appreciated
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Kaygeevee wrote:Hi Rolin,

I'm sure you won't give any of Mr.Gee's details here unless you get his permission first, as I would not like to be the cause of him getting unwanted letters or phone calls.

I was unable to contact Mr. Gee before I started this post, but I do not think there is any think in the post that will identify him

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I didn't call Mr Gee because of this thread, I called him to ask him a few questions about australian stamps in german ebay, as I sometime do when I need an advice. On this occassion I told him about this thread. He greets you.
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vekenone wrote:What a wonderful, incredibly interesting article. I really enjoyed it and learnt a lot from it. Greatly appreciated
I am sure we all have! Well over 200 page views so far, so a lot of "lurkers" have too, it would seem. :)

Am hoping Kaygeevee can scan a few of the gems he obtained from the lot, as i'll summarise this in my next Stamp New column and need a few pix!

A couple of nice genuine Salmon eosins would be a great start. :D
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Hi all

I said that I would show the rejoined pair of Salmon Eosin's that were found in the European find

Each stamp was found in a different tea chest.

Looking at the scan the right hand stamp could have gone up a bit higher before being hinged

Also I am not happy with the colour of the scan, the actual stamps have less red in them or a touch more Orange (strange as I've posted Brick & Dry ink shades and they look good)

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Hi doug2222usa

You and Glen asked about the Salmon Eosin shades

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All these have certificates

The first stamp is a Salmon Eosin

The second is a Deep Salmon Eosin

The third is a Deep Pink Salmon Eosin

Once again I'm not happy with the colours in the scans :shock:

I even put a space between them hoping this would help, it hasn't.

I had hoped that I may be able to show all the different shades for the KGV 1d reds, this idea now needs a rethink

Regards David :?
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David,

I assume these weren't auto colour enhanced at all (this can cause problems with the colour of scans but does bring out irregularities brilliantly)?
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Post by doug2222usa »

Thanks, that's a good start. I see the color is what our local paint store might call "peach" and I'll watch for them.

This is a case where my color-scan software idea of last month would work extremely well in their identification.
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KGV,

I don't understand why they are classified as different shades. They are all from the same batch that was sent to the Hunter Valley region in 1917 & therefore should all be exactly the same ink used for all of them.

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Kaygeevee wrote: Once again I'm not happy with the colours in the scans :shock:

I even put a space between them hoping this would help, it hasn't.

I had hoped that I may be able to show all the different shades for the KGV 1d reds, this idea now needs a rethink

Regards David :?
David:

With my scanner software, the backlight correction and gain correction have default settings to LOW and I have to manually set them to NONE whenever I scan reds, purples and browns (and the varied shades). Otherwise I seem to end up with psychedelic images.

We are all aware that colours on a monitor are tough at the best of times, but it is really appreciated that you have posted these images. I can hear the rustling of old glassine envelopes and manila stock sheets from here :)

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John,

what I can't understand is why the certificates have different colours stated as they were all from the one printing.

In my opinion all of the stamps shown were originally exactly the same shade but for various reasons have changed hues slightly.

The certificates shouldn't mention the different shades but should simply state that they are the Eosin printing.

The other batches that were used elsewhere may have been different shades as they may have been printed separately from the Hunter Valley batch.


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David.

Very interesting article. I seem to remember you telling some of us when you were in Sydney some time ago.

As an old 1d Red dealer I would very much like to have a chat to you.

I wonder if you are prepared to make up a bag for sale?

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Hi David B,

I agree that they are all from the same printing and they all belong to the Salmon Eosin GROUP.

Group being a most important word, in this case a group of very similar shades under the title of Salmon Eosin.

Bill Purves told me of the heated discussions he and Rosenblum had over this issue when Bill first discovered this shade in the 1920's, he called it Salmon Rosine, Rosenblum preferred Salmon Eosin.

As you know Purves sold his Australian Commonwealth collection to KGV, and when I viewed the KGV 1d section of the collection there are different shades of Salmon Rosine there in the Salmon Rosine GROUP.

In Orlo-Smith's list of the Blogg's shade collection that was for sale in 1938/9 there are listed 4 Eosin shades.

Z163 Eosin
Z164 Eosin (yellow tinge)
Z165 Eosin (pink tinge)
Z166 Eosin (red tinge) I prefer the term Red tinge

I take it that Z163 was the Salmon Eosin shade.

The ACSC G27 (71 S & SA) group would appear like this.

Pink Salmon Eosin

Rose Salmon Eosin Salmon Eosin Yellow Salmon Eosin
(Pink salmon eosin should appear above between S.E & Y.S.E.)

As you move to the left, the stamps will have more blue in them and to the right they will have more yellow, up will be lighter and down a deeper colour, and of course you can get lighter & deeper shades of all the above.

Suggestions of how these differences in shade could have come about are:

1 The ink had not been mixed thoroughly in the ink reservoir on the printing machine before the printing was started,
2 The ink reservoir was topped up during printing with a slightly different shade of ink.
3 Print a few sheets, not satisfied with the colour, add more ink, print a few more sheets, check etc. etc.
4 You don't know the history of the stamp before you view it, ie has it been in direct sunlight for long periods of time, how long was it soaked to get it of the envelope, etc.

The thing with Mr. Gee's find was that the stamps had not seen the light of day for 80 years and still showed the different shades of the Eosin group ie Deep Salmon Eosin, Pale Salmon Eosin,Deep Pink Salmon Eosin and a Rose Salmon Eosin, so I think we can forget No. 4 in the above list.

In the 1980's you could not get certificate for a Pink Salmon Eosin, the stated reason being "It's to pale, it dose not match a Salmon Eosin" but these stamps could not be placed in any other shade group.

Even when I showed the committee the large range of shades there are in the KGV 1d Single Line Perfs. and proved that they were from the same printings, one person would not be swayed, and his opinion carried a lot of weight on the committee.

The Pink Eosin was later added to the shade list in the ACSC to overcome this problem.

All the used Eosins (off paper) have one thing in common, it is the bright Yellow/Golden orange fluorescence under the ultra violet lamp (U/V) , in fact it is so strong that in many cases the design of the stamp is hard to see under the U/V lamp.

It is different situation however with mint and used Eosins on piece, here the U/V reaction is more orange and lacks the bright yellow/golden fluorescence (this reaction dose not appear until the stamp has been in contact with water)

In the Premier Philatelic Auction sale of the "Colonel Harrie Evens" collection 9th May 2002 Lot 421 was a mint Salmon Eosin which was originally part of a block of 6 (single with selvage & block of 4 were the next 2 lots), the interesting thing with this lot was that it showed the same U/V reaction as the following 2 lots ( as one would expect) except that at sometime in the life of the stamp a drop of water had been dropped on the stamp (accidentally or otherwise ?) and here the Yellow/Golden orange U/V reaction could be seen, and when you looked at this area of the stamp in daylight you could see a slight difference in the shade.

I hope this will be of some help to some readers

Regards David :)
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doug2222usa & tony,

Thanks for your replies but I'm a dummy when it comes to computers etc.

I can scan & post, anything else is to complicated.

Always worried that I'll do the wrong thing and never get system back to how it was.

"A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing" :?

Regards David :)
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Actually, David, if you are running Windows XP, you CAN go back in time and undo some error that caused big problems; it is particularly useful after installing new programs or hardware.

Windows allows you to manually set aside up to 12% of your hard drive to retain a shadow image of your programs; going BACK 12 hours (or whatever) "restores" your settings, and for all intents and purposes, the problem hasn't happened yet.

For Windows XP users, the steps (to click) are:
Start
Control Panel
Performance & Maintenance
System
System Restore
(tab)

If you want to use this feature "someday," you should set the parameters NOW.
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Hi doug2222usa,

Thanks for the tip it will go into my work book

I think that I have done a restore in the past, probably took me ½ a day to do it :wink: :wink:

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David, as discussed I will write a piece on this find - and this thread - in my next column.

Can you please drop me (and post here!) anything really striking you can recall came from this find?
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I am wondering how many Salmon Eosins are out there these days?

It was for decades believed that only Singleton area NSW and Bairnsdale Victoria country PO's got a "few sheets" of this distinctive printing under UV light. Alec Rosenblum states this are recently as 1968 in the last ACSC he edited.

It is now know they exist postmarked from 5 states and from Capital cities even, so the number issued clearly was infinitely larger than the "few sheets" once accepted as correct, and the ACSC prices would appears way too high on that basis?

But a re-joined pair from two different tea-chests is a really exciting find, around 70 years after they were postmarked.
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Re the eosin scans:-
Despite your comment about them actually being 'yellower', it seems to me they are 'yellow' enough to distinguish from the
bluer G21 & G22 shades that are most common at that time.
In any event the UV reaction (on off paper used) is conclusive.
I don't think I've got any salmon shades let alone eosin.
Talking about shades have you looked at Michael Eastick's scan
of his G78 Die 2 (asking price $9,500). I emailed him because to me it looked nothing like orange-brown. He said in real life it looked a 'dirty brown'.
If anyone could produce a set of accurate G group scans it would be a godsend, but I fear it's an impossibility.
By the way my sleep patterns are being ruined by dreams of trunks of never sorted K G V.
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Hi mobbor,

The G21 & G22 were issued in Jan. Feb. 1917 and you are correct about the shade, an Eosin could not be confused those shades either in daylight or U/V.
However in Nov. 1917 the Salmon's were issued and in daylight some collectors could mistake one of the extreme shades from this group in daylight as an Eosin, but the U/V reaction is nothing like the Eosin reaction.

Next in Jan. & Feb. 1917 came G28 & G29 the Pink's & Carmine Pinks, in daylight an inexperienced collector could mistake some of the extreme shades as Eosins and under U/V some of them will show a reaction that could be confused with the Eosin reaction, but when a genuine Eosin is placed next to them you will see the difference, it's fluorescent is more golden/yellow and in some cases the image of the stamp is very hard to see.

Regards David. :)
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Hi Glen,

re Eosins, you asked 'how many are out there 'answer not enough to satisfy the market', when nice one's come up for auction there are usually several bidders for them who know their 1d red's.

After all there are very slight variations in the shade's Salmon, Pink, Yellow, Rose, and then you have Deep & Pale, so to get a complete set you would need a dozen or more, then there are the different towns in which they were issued, so you can see why there is still a great demand for them.

Yes Eosin's were issued in the Singleton area and the Wagga Wagga area of NSW, but no modern collector has seen any canceled Bairnsdale Victoria.

Rosenblum may have made a mistake here? he may have been confused with a Rough paper G66 (72G) unlikely or he may have been told of one be a collector who's opinion he respected and was never actually shown the stamp.

The stamps canceled in the other states and capital city's are believed by some collectors to have come from the odd sheet issued there, this is unlikely as most capital city's received more than one sheet at a time ie 1000's and one would expect more of them to have been found with these cancels.

The other way is that they had been purchased in the Singleton & Wagga Wagga area's and used elsewhere, this is more likely.

Re Few Sheets issued:

Well this statement depends on what they were comparing it to, if it was the total printing of the 1d reds than this statement would be true, but if they are trying to infer that only 5 or 10 sheets were issued than this is clearly not correct.

If you want a guesstamate I'd go for 100 to 200 sheets and about 98% have not survived but it's only a guess and I could be way out.

see next post re capital city's.

Regards David :)
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Yes Rosenblum himself uses the "few sheets" term, which of course seems MOST unlikely now!
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Hi Glen,

I'm sorry that the clarity is not the best but they have been taken from coloured photocopies that I have obtained for the items when I saw Mr. Gee and from other collectors.

Here are a few interesting items that were found in the find.


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This block above is possibly the gem of the find, it shows the Rusted Clichés, Thin G & Dot on Y in a block of 4, although it has some slight damage, it is still a rarity.

There is a mint pane in the archives of Australia Post and a mint block of 6 in the Royal Collection showing the above flaws. Also there is a mint block of 6 with the Rusted Clichés in the bottom line but without the Thin G & Dot on Y.

I believe that this is the only block showing all four flaws in private hands (if it still is).



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The above item is a block of 9 showing the substituted clichés in the middle row and Thin G & Dot on Y, a scarce item.


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The above is a vertical pair in the Deep Salmon Eosin shade with private perfin. These are also scarce in this shade.

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This pair above is in the Deep Salmon Eosin shade, cancelled with a TPO 2 NORTH with number 1 this was used on the Sydney to Tamworth line.


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This item above shows a Deep Salmon Eosin with a pair of 1d reds used on piece, canceled at William Street at 5.15 P 22 Nov. 1917, possibly from a registered cover.


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Above is a Salmon Eosin Perf. OS. Perf. OS Eosins are hard to find


I would like to thank the collectors involved for allowing me to post their items here.

Regards David :)
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Thanks David, thats a brilliant display. makes me want to go through my holdings again. You never know!

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Thanks sandgroper for the kind remarks, and you never know what you may find.

Regards David :)
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You do NEVER know what you'll find in a junk box. 8)

This strip of Scott 613 just sold this week for $US165,000.

It was recently found in a shoebox of this otherwise common looking 1920s stamp.

Nothing bigger than a pair was known until now.

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This is something that I found in my lot.

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The stamp on the left is a Die 2 Single Line Perf. and the right hand one is a comb. perf. for comparison.

Not all the stamps of interest were worth $1000's.
Here are a few that caught my eye.

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The first is a Rough Paper 1d red from a coil machine, not a scarce stamp but this one has a MONOGRAM coil join.

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The next is a single crown over A wmk 1½d with coil join.

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followed by a Large Multi Wmk. 1½d with coil join.

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Some of the above are damaged but they show that they were used in this form.

As was to be expected there were a lot of NSW town cancels, (this was because most of the material came from here) Army camp cancels, British Army camp cancels where Australian units were stationed, TPO's, 1d red's with extra frame lines a couple with them on 4 sides, and finely pieces where the envelope had been used more than once.

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I hope you have all enjoyed seeing some of the items that were found in this find. Once again I must thank those collectors that sent me photo copies of some of these items.

Regards to all KGV'ers
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Thanks for all comments - I was the lucky finder of that lot. :D
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koala wrote:Thanks for all comments - I was the lucky finder of that lot. :D
Welcome about Koala ... thanks for joining us!

We communicated years back on your 4½d red KGVI solo use on postcard as you might recall. You found the first example postally used, and I wrote it up in my column.

Seeing you still have in your own collection many superb pieces from the find can you share them with us here please?

To post images here is incredibly easy:

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=284

Not one of us had every posted an image on a Bulletin Board until we joined here I think, so you'll pick it up in minutes.

Look forward to seeing them! :D :D :D
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Hi Glen,

Hope it will work here to show the 4½ postcard used from Australia to Austria - and I found another one posted to Belgian-Congo,

Finally a picture of a 1/3d Bull used on registered airmail cover is shown - correct rate to North Borneo

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Hey, Koala! Welcome.

I bought many of the better KGV items in my collection from you on eBay.

I realized a few days ago that this thread must be discussing you.

One item I bought from you has always really puzzled me: a hand-made looking stamp booklet from the late 1950s.

All of the stamps in it have Tasmanian T perfins.

What was the story behind that? (I'll post a scan when I get home tonight.)

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Greg - nice to meet you again - yes I remember you but do not remember about the Tas perfin booklet you described?!???
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I'm at work -- I'll post a picture when I get home, which will be a few hours from now. It is pretty distinctive.

I'm sure you'll remember it. (And I'm sure I bought it from you because until two weeks ago I was storing it in the envelope you mailed it in.)

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o.k. Greg,

Wait for the picture but its late in the night here in Austria so I look tomorrow....

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Hi koala,

Wonderful covers, just wonderful.

Regards David :)
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I just checked my old pictures, and found one from the original Italian find - the stamps were packed in about 2 dozen plastic bags like this one:

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