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not sure why that's gone to " Attachments " ???
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ebay wrote: 17 Aug 2020 01:58
not sure why that's gone to " Attachments " ???
Did you click the PLACE INLINE button? Had no caption so that might be it?

And to all members please try and remember to add the word STAMP in captions - google then indexes all pix!

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Hello all

I wonder if anyone could do me the favour of identifying these - I suspect they may be some sort of revenue stamp but really don't know.
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TSStamps, those two stamps are impressed duty stamps from the UK. Impressed duty stamps are revenue stamps which are directly embossed onto a document (as opposed to adhesive revenue stamps which are more like regular postage stamps), and yours are cut-outs from a document (most likely a receipt). In a way, they are the "postal stationery" equivalent of revenue stamps. There is a thread about them here:
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=76874

Your stamps are dated 25-3-18 for the 1d and 20-10-20 for the 2d, ie. 25 March 1918 and 20 October 1920 respectively. The two letters to the right of the crown (KZ on the 1d and FL on the 2d) are known as die letters.

It seems that the UK still uses impressed stamps on certain legal documents (but not on receipts).
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Halfpenny yellow

Thanks very much that tells me just what I needed to know, especially what the numbers mean TS
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These were specifically used to pay duty on cheques... the symbol on the upper right-hand side relates to which part of the UK they were used in, Rose for England and Wales, Harp for Ireland and Thistle for Scotland... it's an area for the seriously OCD :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Not Bruce wrote: 04 Oct 2020 00:26 These were specifically used to pay duty on cheques... the symbol on the upper right-hand side relates to which part of the UK they were used in, Rose for England and Wales, Harp for Ireland and Thistle for Scotland... it's an area for the seriously OCD :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Plumbing the archives and finding things to throw away #1:

This is on a Travel Insurance policy that I took out in 1967 for a 20+-day trip to Scandinavia. The cost was £1.5.0, ie £1.25 in today's money. But look at the benefits - death £1,000 and medical expenses capped at £250!
Embossed 6d stamp duty stamp, 1967.
Embossed 6d stamp duty stamp, 1967.
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1967 Travel Insurance Policy form with 6d Stamp Duty embossed stamp.
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As I was cleaning out my stock books, I came across numerous revenue stamps.

Quite a few of the stamps appear to have postal cancels.

I don't have the time to go through Barefoot and identify them all.

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The Five Shilling 'Foreign Bill' is a nice U.K. fiscal: this one appears to be dated 1861.


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Not a revenue but a telegraph but I guess it'll fit in ok here.
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I'm testing my scanning so might as well upload a few bits & bobs here.
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At the point I took a break from collecting, many parts of the collection were not a collection - they had become a hoard, tucked away in disorganized stock books. Something I'm now rectifying and the revenues are high on the list.

A huge number of GB revenues are based on key plate designs which seems as good a starting point as any.
Queen Victoria plate proof block
Queen Victoria plate proof block
Queen Victoria plate proofs
Queen Victoria plate proofs
Queen Elizabeth II plate proof block
Queen Elizabeth II plate proof block
There's also a few new additions over the past year and a bit as I get back into collecting:
KGV proofs
KGV proofs
Attempting to collect everything is an impossibility - but I like the colourful Transfer Duty stamps and I think there's a fair chance over the years to complete the sets as well as get a few interesting related items. An advantage is also they did not need to be cancelled when used, so nice copies are generally easy to find.
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For the main revenue collection, it'll be more about getting a good cross section of usage, cancellations, related items and a representative range of the stamps themselves. I think I've been lucky here as a number of items I acquired before they became more popular:
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Judicature specimen block
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Revenues also turn up perfinned of overprint. Many of these I got via a dealer or two at one of the long-gone fairs that used to happen. One dealer in particular put aside "damaged" (perfin/overprinted) and "cinderellas" (often revenues) and no-one else wanted them. Sometimes there was nothing of interest but I made sure to always buy a few things - after all they had made an effort to put things aside for me.
Small selection of overprints
Small selection of overprints
Small selection of perfins
Small selection of perfins
I've made some progress - the revenues are now in one 32-page and one 16-page stock book and in some kind of order - now to work out how to display them. And then there's the foreign revenues ... !

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some superb looking material you have there!!!
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VICTORIA 1871 3d STAMP STATUTE


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VICTORIA 1871 3d STAMP STATUTE


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Here are some revenues used by the Singapore Municipal Commission (SMC) in the 1920s to 1970s, which oversaw urban management in Singapore ranging from street cleaning to utilities and removing faeces from homes. There exist two overprints and two perfins (see here for more historical details and typographical analysis).

Singapore Municipal Commission pre-war machine letterpress overprint on utility receipt.
Singapore Municipal Commission pre-war machine letterpress overprint on utility receipt.

Singapore Municipal Commission pre-war machine letterpress overprint superimposed on postcard showing the city of Singapore. The building that housed the SMC can be seen at upper right. This same building saw the Japanese surrender at the end of World War II and the inauguration of Singapore's first prime minister.
Singapore Municipal Commission pre-war machine letterpress overprint superimposed on postcard showing the city of Singapore. The building that housed the SMC can be seen at upper right. This same building saw the Japanese surrender at the end of World War II and the inauguration of Singapore's first prime minister.

Singapore Municipal Commission rubber handstamp on revenue document  - seemingly hurriedly done compared with the pre-war overprint.
Singapore Municipal Commission rubber handstamp on revenue document - seemingly hurriedly done compared with the pre-war overprint.

Singapore Municipal Commission pre-war perfin in one line.
Singapore Municipal Commission pre-war perfin in one line.

Singapore Municipal Commission post-war perfin in two lines.
Singapore Municipal Commission post-war perfin in two lines.
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Malaya wrote: 01 Jun 2021 22:28 There exist two overprints and two perfins (see here for more historical details and typographical analysis).
Although not an area I collect, I took a look at your link and found it most interesting.

As I go through my "hoard" I came across the following two stamps. I can only assume they are forgeries; they almost certainly turned up in a little tin of "damaged" (a.k.a. perfin/overprints) stamps a local dealer put aside, I would have preferred without the overprint as I hadn't got "proper" ones.

They do have a John Bull printing set about them, but then given the very few overprints done I'd guess a proper printing plate wouldn't have been worth while. The centering and the perfs suggest they were once a pair, the condition of the backs suggest they'd been apart for some time (though the photo doesn't show the difference that well - a lot more gum on the darker one).

Surely one of the most obscure items for a forger at a time when there was little interest in revenues. I've never seen any others - pucka or forged - to compare with.
Fake ? Or fortune ? (Almost certainly the former)
Fake ? Or fortune ? (Almost certainly the former)
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Jon E wrote: 01 Jun 2021 23:36
Malaya wrote: 01 Jun 2021 22:28 There exist two overprints and two perfins (see here for more historical details and typographical analysis).
Although not an area I collect, I took a look at your link and found it most interesting.

As I go through my "hoard" I came across the following two stamps. I can only assume they are forgeries; they almost certainly turned up in a little tin of "damaged" (a.k.a. perfin/overprints) stamps a local dealer put aside, I would have preferred without the overprint as I hadn't got "proper" ones.

They do have a John Bull printing set about them, but then given the very few overprints done I'd guess a proper printing plate wouldn't have been worth while. The centering and the perfs suggest they were once a pair, the condition of the backs suggest they'd been apart for some time (though the photo doesn't show the difference that well - a lot more gum on the darker one).

Surely one of the most obscure items for a forger at a time when there was little interest in revenues. I've never seen any others - pucka or forged - to compare with.

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These are actually completely genuine and are the only two mint examples recorded of any value in the set! The illustration in Barefoot is not at all accurate, hence the confusion.

These originally belonged to Peter Mansfield and were thought to have been lost when his collection was sold through the Revenue Society. Peter actually thought they were bogus himself (as a result of the illustration in Barefoot!) but this is certainly not the case.

Spink auctioned a specimen set a few years ago, which sold for £2100 (plus premium).

https://www.spink.com/lot/17045000331

Great Britain Paymaster's General Service set of 8 to £5 overprinted Specimen
Great Britain Paymaster's General Service set of 8 to £5 overprinted Specimen

1890 1d. to £5 set of eight, 1881 Foreign Bill Issues handstamped "paymaster/ general's/ service" in grey-black, each overprinted "specimen" type 9, fresh and fine mint, A showpiece set of British revenue philately, being the only recorded complete set, (the £1 reported by Forbin has never been seen and is unlikely to exist) This short-lived departmental issue was reportedly provided directly to Robert George Windsor-Clive who held the role 1890-92, and withdrawn after only 40 examples had been issued. Of the 15 recorded survivors, thirteen are specimens, and two are unused, meaning this lot contains more than half the extant survivors.
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thecloudwatcher wrote: 23 Jun 2021 22:41
Jon E wrote: 01 Jun 2021 23:36 As I go through my "hoard" I came across the following two stamps. I can only assume they are forgeries; they almost certainly turned up in a little tin of "damaged" (a.k.a. perfin/overprints) stamps a local dealer put aside, I would have preferred without the overprint as I hadn't got "proper" ones.

They do have a John Bull printing set about them, but then given the very few overprints done I'd guess a proper printing plate wouldn't have been worth while. The centering and the perfs suggest they were once a pair, the condition of the backs suggest they'd been apart for some time (though the photo doesn't show the difference that well - a lot more gum on the darker one).

Surely one of the most obscure items for a forger at a time when there was little interest in revenues. I've never seen any others - pucka or forged - to compare with.

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These are actually completely genuine and are the only two mint examples recorded of any value in the set! The illustration in Barefoot is not at all accurate, hence the confusion.

These originally belonged to Peter Mansfield and were thought to have been lost when his collection was sold through the Revenue Society. Peter actually thought they were bogus himself (as a result of the illustration in Barefoot!) but this is certainly not the case.

Spink auctioned a specimen set a few years ago, which sold for £2100 (plus premium).

https://www.spink.com/lot/17045000331


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1890 1d. to £5 set of eight, 1881 Foreign Bill Issues handstamped "paymaster/ general's/ service" in grey-black, each overprinted "specimen" type 9, fresh and fine mint, A showpiece set of British revenue philately, being the only recorded complete set, (the £1 reported by Forbin has never been seen and is unlikely to exist) This short-lived departmental issue was reportedly provided directly to Robert George Windsor-Clive who held the role 1890-92, and withdrawn after only 40 examples had been issued. Of the 15 recorded survivors, thirteen are specimens, and two are unused, meaning this lot contains more than half the extant survivors.
Good grief! Thanks for the additional info, thecloudwatcher. So, already known as rare yet somehow end up in obscurity where I happened across them and had no idea about the "annoying" overprint ? It has to be 20 years+ I've had them and maybe over those years I forgot the real source, but at the time local fairs (long since gone) were almost the only source of the majority of my revenues. One dealer used to put aside items in an old tobacco tin (perfins, revenues, odds n sods) and I'd always buy whatever was in there, even when not particularly interesting, but they put effort into putting things aside for me and they didn't ask much for them. I'm convinced that is where these two stamps came from.

Do you know what their original purpose was, needing only 40 examples in two years and presumably spread across different values?

Are these two really mint, or just removed from documents where they hadn't been cancelled (just like many Transfer Duty issues for example)?

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Jon E wrote: 24 Jun 2021 06:53 Do you know what their original purpose was, needing only 40 examples in two years and presumably spread across different values?
The Paymaster General's duties, originally confined to the pay, etc, of the armed services, were extended in 1848 when he absorbed the offices of Paymaster of Exchequer Bills and Paymaster of the Civil Service. He thus became the principal paying agent of the government and the banker for all government departments except the revenue departments and the National Debt Office. In 1872 he took over the duties formerly exercised by the Accountant General of the Court of Chancery. Therefore I think it likely that the stamps were used as an accounting measure, rather than in payment of any specific duty.
Jon E wrote: 24 Jun 2021 06:53 Are these two really mint, or just removed from documents where they hadn't been cancelled (just like many Transfer Duty issues for example)?
The left stamp is unquestionably mint, the right stamp is probably also mint but it doesn't appear as if there is much gum so it's certainly feasible that it might have come off a document.
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Australia £5 Revenue/duty MINT SG324
sold on ebay for £653.02 on the 21st july 2021
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Australia-Victoria-1884-94-Scott- ... 7675.l2557
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Re: Share your GB & Commonwealth REVENUE stamps here

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First an foremost: John E! you lucky bastard, that’s an excellent find and a lovely collection.

When i started to read the thread I remembered a few weird looking stamps that i put in the Cinderella album.

Not 100% that they are revenue stamps,
but here we go.
Says receipt an quite low denomination
Says receipt an quite low denomination
Postage and registration.
Postage and registration.
India with Queen Victoria
India with Queen Victoria
George VI
George VI
Then for last that I’m most unsure of.
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norvic wrote: 23 Dec 2016 20:33 And the prize for 2016, just creeping in on 9 December goes to The British Virgin Islands.

From Commonwealth Stamps Opinion:

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That's not so bad, although remember these are US dollars. The killer comes with the other one of the pair:

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90 years, 90 dollars, why ever not?
The face value is astonishingly high and not at all what we have come to expect from the highly conservative BVI postal service. Nor have we ever seen such an issue coming out of the Pobjoy Stamps/Creative Direction stable.

The total face value is equal to £79 - I confess I had to look twice at the illustrations of the upcoming issue before the face value fully registered with me. Does BVI really need a US$90 (£70.97p) stamp? Does any postal administration need a £71 stamp? Goodness gracious.

This could be the most highly priced stamp in modern Commonwealth philatelic history making the emissions from IGPC and Stamperija look modest in comparison.

In an Estate today I bought matched corner plate number pairs of these, with matching gutter colour dots margin. Doubtless unique thus! Owner had new issue invoice from Max Stern here for $A235!

The Face value $US100, is over $A150 as I type. Have no idea what is a fair price. Clearly they are legitimate and necessary for any completionist. I figured well under face, at $A140 was a pretty sensible retail level. (Stock 487QV) :lol: :lol:

The only sale I can see globally was from a Falmouth UK seller is £160=$A320 - and they did sell at that! - www.tinyurl.com/EbayBVI - an interesting world out there! Way under half that WackoBay price.

The British Virgin Islands 2016 QE2 90th Birthday, high value stamp pair.

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Hello,
I don't have a Barefoot neither ,so have no idea on cat numbers or value.
I appreciate your help.
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@and

The Foreign Bill stamps in the first image are all from the UK. It seems that the first two are perf 14 (from 1857) while the last one is perf 16 (from 1855). If that is indeed the case, then your stamps are Barefoot 40 (perf 16 4s.), 57 (perf 14 2s.) and 59 (perf 14 4s.). The 2010 catalogue values are £5, £0.50 and £1.50 respectively.

The first two Special Adhesives from India are Barefoot 58 (King Edward VII 4 annas, 1903) and 152 (King George VI 4 annas, 1937). The 2019 catalogue values are £0.20 and £0.10 respectively. Note that the Edward VII has lost its colour (it should be dark green), and the identification of the George VI refers to the base stamp since Barefoot does not list the many provincial/state overprints which exist on these issues.

The larger King George V Special Adhesive 1 rupee is either Barefoot 86 (with a script watermark, 1914) or 110 (with a multiple stars watermark, 1926). Both catalogue at £0.25 each.

The Victorian Receipt stamp is also from the UK, and you'll also find it in some postal catalogues as it is a postal fiscal (despite originally being issued as a revenue it later became valid for postal use). This is Barefoot 1 from 1853 and its 2010 catalogue value is £0.10.
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HalfpennyYellow
Thanks very much for the informations.
Forgot to mention that the last Revenue has a Watermark Anchor Inverted.
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Revenue Stamps: Identifying and Discussing these Cinderellas

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Stampboards already has many posts devoted to cinderellas, broadly defined as stamps that aren't postage stamps.

Since that is an extremely broad field, it might be convenient to have a thread that deals specifically with revenue stamps. There are already posts in various Stampboards threads discussing revenues, but having a specific thread for them would help to bring future discussions into one go-to thread.

revenue stamps are certainly cinderella stamps because they qualify as "stamps that aren't postage stamps". However, revenue stamps are a widely recognised class within cinderellas, and there are many collectors who confine their collecting to this class.

What are revenue stamps?
Some definitions:

Collins Dictionary:
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https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/revenue-stamp
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Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revenue%20stamp
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Wikipedia is much more expansive:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_stamp
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Wikipedia also lists synonyms, and (typical) categories of revenue stamps:
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Canadian revenues
As an example, here is an attractive, finely produced group of Canadian revenues, used to designate payment of fees for electricity and gas inspection. They are listed in the well-known Van Dam Canadian Revenue Stamp Catalogue
Canadian Electricity and Gas Inspection revenues<br />Series of 1930<br />(current eBay offering)
Canadian Electricity and Gas Inspection revenues
Series of 1930
(current eBay offering)
The widely used reference work for Canadian revenue stamps:

Van Dam &quot;Catalogue of Canadian Revenue Stamps&quot;
Van Dam "Catalogue of Canadian Revenue Stamps"
https://www.esjvandam.com/catalog.htm
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