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PNG 1992/3 Birds of Paradise. Date varieties of the 45t etc

Post by davo »

Recently read an old post (April 2007) from Doug re the 45t BOP stamp.

I have been able to identify 4 varities of this stamp as per the attached scans of the stamps on cover :- 45 (small) t with inscriptions: May 1992; 1992 and 1993 and 45 (large)T 1992. Comments please.


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Davo,

That's pretty good - being able to get at least 4 of them.

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And congratulations on the May 1992 on cover!

One dealer has that stamp for sale at $225 used 8)
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Congratulations from me also Davo
Those 4 are the only known varieties.
No one has put a buying price on a mint example of the May 1992.

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Thanks for the comments. Question, does the latest SG catalogue list all these varities? Davo
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Post by MarginBlocks »

Not only four varieties of the same definitive stamp, but also four varieties of postmark, as well!

I particularly like the upside-down circular datestamp, what in the USA we call, the dial.

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Excerpt from the Online catalogue follows.
Listed, but not separately priced.
I have a spreadsheet of the whole series which I can post if anyone wants to collect the lot including the Kapuls.
As mentioned in another post, I have told SG that they are incorrect in stating that the K10 does not have a date at base.
And have they amended it? Why bother.
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Please do post! Thank you.

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Preamble info and much background to these is on :

www.glenstephens.com/overprints.html

Part of it says:

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The reason there were both the "small t" and "large T" basic stamps issued in the first place is a fascinating and rather controversial story. The set was printed showing all denominations as 21T, 60T etc, whereas the convention in PNG is for cents ("toya") to be written 21t, 60t etc. The set of 4 was reprinted to show the correct "small t" style, and the "large T" set was not issued, but stored at the Bureau in Port Moresby.

A Sydney dealer, Gabrielle Woodbine of Gabrielle's Philatelic Service somehow obtained and advertised the "unissued" set of 4 "large T" denominated Bird Of Paradise stamps at $A1,000 per set 4, $2,000 a pair, and $5,000 per blocks of 4, and they sold out.

All this was done in one page full colour ads in an Australian magazine. I understand some other dealers offered these stamp at similar prices, and also sold out. Whether purchasers at these prices ever got a refund based on the following paragraph, I never did find out! I'd love to hear how you went if you attempted to obtain a refund of your monies.

The PNG Philatelic Bureau got very angry that such stamps, basically "printer's waste" were being sold at such amazing prices, and simply beat the dealers at their own game, and issued a Press Release commenting on this profiteering, and placing on sale the "Large T" stamps to all who wanted them, at face value of a few dollars a set!

The Bureau issued a one page news release to all customers pointing out these high prices being asked, and thus explaining their reasons for making 50,000 sets of 4 of the "Big T" stamps available at face value. A little like the "Legends Of The West" sheetlet controversy that occurred in the USA.

This is why there are "large T" and "small t" versions of the 4 stamps both available without overprint, and now the remainders of these stamps exist WITH overprint. As these stamp continued in use for some time as a definitive issue, they occur with variants of wording in tiny letters at the base of the stamps referring to printing dates, viz: "1992 Bird Of Paradise" "July 1993 Bird Of Paradise" and "1993 Bird Of Paradise". If you are totally confused by now, congratulations ... join everybody else!
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To Mark Alan. The inverted "Post Town Die" part of the machine cancel is from Boroko, the main Post Office in Pt Moresby. This in the only such invert I have for PNG but I have a number from Australia. Such die inverts can be only partially inverted, i.e. Date, Town, Time, etc, and sometimes the slogan is inverted

To Doug. Thanks for the info, I note that they are now listing the 5t "July 1993" variety. I would like to have a copy of your BOP spreadsheet. You could send via a scan so I tried to send you an email but Stampboards not working. How may I give you my email/home address?
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Davo .. doug can email you fine. :)

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My spreadsheet



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Doug,

Thanks for posting your spreadsheet - very useful.

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Post by BACK O BOURKE »

1991-93 Bird of Paradise 45t
Leigh Mardon imprint with 2 Kapuls tab from 2nd reprint.

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SG 643(var) ....1993 date

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Doug, Many thanks for your spreadsheet, will find it very useful.
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The K10 with 1 Kapul ... with 1991 date at base

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All of this specialized information is terrific to have. In concert with the parallel Stampboards' discussion of Papua New Guinea's equally beautiful ships definitives from 1987, I hope to work on expanding my existing collection of PNG with many of these varieties, not to mention all those emergency overprints for which Glen Stephens has been the promient market maker since their discovery.

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Mark, I've been considering putting my 1993 imprints (above) up for sale, as this isn't my area. Contact me if you're interested. 8)
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1993 Birds of Paradise 45t Booklet and Stamp .... 15.04.1993

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Birds of Paradise Face value given as "T"..... 01.07.1993

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Birds of Paradise Face value given as "t"..... 25.03.1992

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Birds of Paradise 21t Booklet and Stamp

note the date "MAY 1992" .... issued 15.04.1993

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The booklets are nice 8)
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sherro wrote:The booklets are nice 8)
I sold literally HUNDREDS of that booklet and never knew any were scarce. :)

I used to buy them per 100 sets of 4 from the bureau.

Barry - great scans .. how long have you have this stuff .. I thought you only collected the old Papua?
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You are quite correct Glen - those booklets are not scarce.
In that series the rare booklet is the 21t with 1993 at base.

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Hi Glen,

My passion is for pre decimal PNG stamps (mainly Lakatoi), but also collect the complete country. The same goes for Australia, my main interest is KGV. I collect the whole countries , for future generations, more than for myself.

The 1991-1993 bird series are part of the collection of PNG and Australian stamps I have been buying over the last few years from a great genleman in WA. My friend in WA has been collecting for almost 70 years and it is now time to pass the baton on, as I will do in the next 20 years.

The scans have come out well, I am now scanning at 600dpi. By changing photobucket to 800 x 650, the quality of image is greatly improved.

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Bird of Paradise 02.09.1992

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Bird of Paradise 20.01.1993

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Hong Kong '94 Strip ..... 18.02.1994
No inscription at base

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They are quite brilliant scans Barry . .what kind and model scanner are you using?
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Hi Gen,

I am only using a HP Scanjet 2400, with Adobe InDesign CS3 desktop publishing software. The software is the difference.

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They are of book publishing quality Barry!

I just know if I bought the Adobe I'd never work out how to USE it. :twisted: :?:
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BACK O' BOURKE wrote:The K10 with 1 Kapul ... with 1991 date at base

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Barry you must be now selling them all off it looks like?

I see your same 10K photo in a current auction plus a few others.

https://www.statusint.com/detail.php?id=3415

I had no idea this stamp was worth in the $500 - $800 region .. I learn something new from stampboards EVERY day! :)

Did not realise most of these were apparently so scarce!

https://www.statusint.com/papua-new-guinea-stamps-227.html

The 1 Kapul seems to be the key for most of them?

Doug .. any change of adding values to your spread sheet?
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Revised spreadsheet follows.

I compared the prices of 5 Australian dealers and chose the lowest for each variety.

There are gaps, but hopefeully some will be filled after the Status auction on Thursday next.


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This group is priced at $850 per Doug's list.

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If anyone wants to get in on the ground floor on these, please contact me. I'll be happy to negotiate a price!
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Revised price list plus some extra research and info.

Filled some gaps and then some.



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Thanks for the update Doug. Do you think the prices were reasonable? I think they're very interesting. I'm listing mine for sale now!
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I think the prices realised were quite fair considering the general lack of knowledge of these varieties up until now.

Good luck with your listing - they should do well.

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It was refreshing to see that the market is catching on.

I've listed mine here http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=6370
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sherro wrote:This group is priced at $850 per Doug's list.

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I looked at the Status prices and they were all for corner copies with Kapuls.

That seems to be where the big bucks are. 8)

i.e. a 10K Bird is always worth $10-$15 as a single -- but $700 with a 1 Kapul selvedge. (Indded a $100 more as Doug omitted to add the nasty 'Buyer Fee' to his prices above!)

I spoke to a dealer today who looked at this stock of the 1K singles in stock and they ALL were July 93 he said, so neither of us can imagine they means they are rare. :D

With a KAPUL selvedge they may well be of course. He sold out of Kapuls way back.

So, I assume Doug's chart refers to KAPUL pieces only?
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Glen, the lot descriptions in the Status auction were along the lines of "1991-93 Bird of Paradise 90t July 1993 date, UR Leigh-Mardon imprint with 1 Kapul tab from 1st reprint. VF fresh MUH SG 646(var), retail $950, plus premium for tab & imprint. Very rare"

Doug's list shows listings for with Kapul (eg "X1K") and without Kapul ("X")

As posted previously, one dealer has my three for sale at near on $1000 already.
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Glen, if your dealer friend has stock of the K1, please ask him not to flood the market until I've sold mine!! :D
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Tom Osborne sent me this:
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This series may turn out to be PNG's specialist area. Fascinating that so much could happen with a single issue in a couple of years. I'd suggest that these on commercial covers will be well worth looking out for.
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Evidently there are distinct shades of the 90t (and 90T) stamps that were overprinted, suggesting that both the remainders and the plates were used in the overprinting process.

Perhaps Glen could look through his stock.

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Picking up on Tom Osborne's comment above regarding the BoP stamp booklets, dealers seem to quote the 45t as only having the 1993 date.
The 21t comes in both May 1992 and 1993 varieties and in both short and long formats, with margin imprints and without.
Anyone with any further info?

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I have about 100 of that 90t and other values of BOP overprints on COVER . . give me something to look at one day. :)
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Are these things as desirable used on cover as their mint values would have you think?

I picked up these two covers for $ 5, total.

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No, they're rubbish. I'll take them off your hands for a tenner :wink:

July 1993 5t - A$75 used
July 1993 K1 - A$95 used

These are from a current Australian retail price list. Definitely a premium for on-cover. A nice find.
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I imagine prices for used will continue to fall as more of these turn up now that people are actually looking for them.

MUH is a more difficult call -

Standing Order clients had their orders filled from the original print runs

The Bureau did sfa in publicising the reprints, so only the eagle-eyed quietly got what they wanted (it always pays to read the back of the publicity brochure).

The question - who's got what and how many want it?

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