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Help Needed!
The cancel is not readable, but it must be sent between 13 January 1941 and 10 November 1943 from Brisbane (see: ‘Opened by Censor’ label).
But my question the second censoring there is a brown label and a handstamp of which I think is must be done in the US.
I can find no information.
Can somebody help?

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Faust wrote:Help Needed!
The cancel is not readable, but it must be sent between 13 January 1941 and 10 November 1943 from Brisbane (see: ‘Opened by Censor’ label).
But my question the second censoring there is a brown label and a handstamp of which I think is must be done in the US.
I can find no information.
Can somebody help?



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Can't help but have added some information that might be of interest.


An advertisement in "The Courier Mail" newspaper, Brisbane, 15 December 1933:-

GPO (General Post Office) Box 878L

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The receiver:-

Seymour Smith & Son, Inc.
Oakville, Ct
Seymour Smith & Son settled in Oakville Connecticut (near Waterbury) in 1866 after moving from Sharon, Ct and before that, Worcester, Mass. The company manufactured "hardware" and was known for a line of spoke shaves, as well as shears and pliers. They were in business as late as 1996, and still may be operating.

https://www.sydnassloot.com/Brace/Seymour.htm
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Faust wrote:Help Needed!
The cancel is not readable, but it must be sent between 13 January 1941 and 10 November 1943 from Brisbane (see: ‘Opened by Censor’ label).
But my question the second censoring there is a brown label and a handstamp of which I think is must be done in the US.
I can find no information.
Can somebody help?
Yes, it is USA censorship.
The brown tape and handstamp were used in San Francisco, CA.
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Thanks, mhill and bazza4338.

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CC539 F & R

From: Unknown - France

To: Mrs. Matthew Randall, 418 Woodland Ave., Wayne (Waynesboro) PA USA

Date: Indistinct Date Wavy Circle Stamp ???OIBIC A 6 OCT 18
Indistinct cancellation on stamp.

Stamps: One SG339 Sower blue (1906)

Censor: Brown paper tape CONTROLE POSTAL MILITAIRE

Markings: Two violet “98” or “86” or “36”
Two indistinct and partly covered oval stamps - maybe OVERT/8/MILITAIRE

Notes: The area now known as Wayne was originally settled in the late 1600's by Quakers from Radnorshire Wales who came here to settle on land originally purchased by William Penn. Lancaster Pike, the first macadamized turnpike in the world and the first real turnpike in the United States, opened in 1795 and spurred increased settlement in the area.

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407 Woodland Avenue Wayne PA (Radnor Historical Society) – close but no cigar!
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CC540 F & R

From: E\ Constantina Caneiri(?), Canhine Lilli, Banage d’ Aigle par Mauriac Cantal France (???)

To: Sr. Dn. José Maria Iparraguirre, Travesia de Primavera 1-3, La Coruña, Spain

Date: Seven CDS MAURIAC/1615/31 – 1/42/CANTAL (31 January 1942)

Stamps: Total 4 francs
Block of 4 with barred selvedge SG710 30 centime Marshal Petain red (1941 )
Block of 4 SG620 5 centime Mercury red (1938)
Strip of 3 SG623 20 centime Mercury purple (1938)
One pair SG710 1 franc Marshal Petain red ( 1941)

Censor: Plain brown paper tape
Black handstamp “2138”
Red rectangular handstamp “CENSURA MILITAIRE (maybe)/VIGO
Red handstamp “No. 38”

Notes:

Mauriac is a commune in the Cantal department in the Auvergne region in south-central France. It lies 39 miles (63 km) north-northwest of Aurillac by rail.
Mauriac, built on the slope of a volcanic hill, has a medieval church, and the buildings of an old abbey now used as public offices and dwellings; the town owes its origin to the abbey, which originated from a 6th century foundation.

Not the same one (!) José María Iparraguirre Balerdi (1820 - 1881), poète et musicien basque.

A Coruña (Galician) or La Coruña (Spanish) (still sometimes known as Corunna in English, and archaically as The Groyne) is a city and municipality of Galicia, Spain

A Coruña is one of only eight pairs of cities in the world that has a near-exact antipodal city. Half of these antipodal pairs are in Spain/Morocco and New Zealand – with Christchurch, New Zealand as A Coruña's antipode.

Vigo is a city and municipality in north-west Spain, in Galicia, situated on the ria of the same name on the Atlantic Ocean.

In 1585 and 1589 Francis Drake raided Vigo and temporarily occupied it, leaving many buildings burnt. Several decades later a Turkish fleet tried to attack the city. As a result the walls of the city were built in 1656 during the reign of Philip IV of Spain. They are still partially preserved.

In 1702 the Battle of Vigo Bay occurred, and in 1719, because a Spanish fleet which departed from Vigo attempted to invade Scotland in support of the Jacobites, the city was occupied for ten days by a British force.

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CC541 F & R

From: Ex\ Constantina Caneiri(?), Canhine Lilli, Banage d’ Aigle par Mauriac Cantal France (???)

To: Sra. Dña. Josefina Iparraguirre de Caneiro, General San Jurjo 8 - 3° La Coruña, España

Date: Front: Five CDS “AYNES/18*/2 – 1/44/CANTAL” (02 January 1944)
Back: Three CDS “AYNES/18*/2 – 1/44/CANTAL”

Stamps: Front:
One block of 4 SG715 70c Marshal Petain red (1941)
One block of 4 SG751 30c Mercury red (1942)
Back:
One block of 10 with barred selvedge SG497 1c Sower bistre (1920)


Slogan: Nine Lines and FRANCO FRANCO FRANCO ARRIBA ESPAÑA
Two CDS SAN SEBASTIAN/9 FEB 44 6/(22)
(One has the full date upside down)

Censor: On top:- Plain brown paper tape with violet handstamp possibly CENSURA POSTAL
GUBERNATIVA/VIGO
Underneath:- Paper tape with violet printed possibly OBERKOMMANDO DER
WEHRMACHT/y
Two black circular indistinct handstamps OBER???/EAGLE AND SWASTIKA/y/????
Violet handstamp “395”

Markings: Pencil “?/1/49”
Pencil “1306/III/1
On reverse:- Pencil “X”

Notes:

Aynes in Auvergne is located in France - some 250 mi (or 403 km) South of Paris

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Nazi Censorship Postmark example - similar but without the extra word at the base
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Ahoj bazza!

I cannot be 100% certain, but I think the word at the top left of the front is geöffnet (opened) and the word at the bottom of the eagle & swastika stamp is geprüft (checked).

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Thanks Honza

After a closer look that seems to be correct.

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CC542 F & R

From: Vienulo fre raie from prison camp in Pyrenees (???) France

To: Monsieur René Planiol, 146 East 39th. Street, New York City, United States.

Date: Two indistinct black CDS 8 – 12/41/BASSES – PYREN (08 December 1941)

Stamps: Total:- 4 francs
One pair SG591a 2 franc Ceres red (1938)

Censor: Paper tape (E)XAMINED BY/6261
Paper tape on four edges
Black handstamp “L2 in circle”
Curved triangular handstamp “…A6…UTORITIES & CONTROLE”


Markings: Pencil “censor”, “arrow”, “over”

Notes:

BASSES-PYRENEES south-western France, at the angle of the Bay of Biscay

Basses-Pyrénées is one of the original 83 departments of France created during the French Revolution, on March 4, 1790. It was created from parts of the former provinces of Guyenne, Béarn, and Gascony and included the three traditional provinces of the northern Basque Country: Labourd, Soule and Basse-Navarre. It also included two tiny exclaves of Bigorre which were located within Béarn.

On October 10, 1969, Basses-Pyrénées was renamed Pyrénées-Atlantiques.


The principal internment camps in the French 'Southern Zone' (under the Vichy Government) were at Gurs (Basses-Pyrénées)…

Following the capture of Barcelona by General Franco and his army on January 16th 1939, France faced a massive influx of Spanish republican army combatants, civilians and International Brigade fighters. It was therefore with much urgency that a dozen of camps were opened in the south of France. The camp at Gurs was erected in the space of 24 days in the summer of 1929 in the Atlantic Pyrenees.
The camp was officially opened on April 2nd. Initially it housed Republican Army combatants and International Brigade combatants.

Various internet references for “René Planiol” – uncertain of relevance:-

The Thérèse and René Planiol Foundation is a registered charity (publication in the Journal Officiel of 2 February 2005). It is one of the rare research foundations created by a person in her own lifetime and with her own money. The Ministry of Research provided additional financial support to the endowment made by Madame Thérèse Planiol, the founding president.
By the late fifties, the founding members were already international pioneers in the development, perfection and application of the latest physical methods of exploring human organs and blood vessels (scintigraphy, Doppler echography, MRI, etc.).


René Planiol – Engineer and holder of patents

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CC543 F & R

From: E. C. Comein. Couitine Lilli B. d’Aigle, Mariac Cantal, France

Maybe “Cantine Silli, Barrage de l’Aigle Mauriac Cantal” - Gorges of the Dordogne
- the Eagle Dam: 75 km

To: Sr. Dn. José Maria Iparraguirre, Travesia de Primavera 1-3, La Coruña, Spain

Date: Front: Three CDS “AYNE/18 */3 – 9/42/CANTAL” (03 September 1942)
Back: Two CDS “ESTA CAMBIO/-9 SEP42 1T/MADRID”
One CDS “LA CORUÑA/12 SEP 42 8M/CARTT???

Stamps: Total: 4 francs
One SG715 70c Marshal Petain orange (1941)
One SG717 80c Marshal Petain green (1941)
One SG721 1f 50c Marshal Petain brown (1941)
One SG718 1f Marshal Petain red (1941)

Slogan: “IFRANCO/IFRANCO/IFRANCO/IIARRIBA ESPAÑA”

Censor: Circular violet handstamp “GUBERNATIVA/ODIA/CENSURA
Purple “389”
Brown tape “…TIVA” & “…RA” - possibly similar to above.

Notes:

Travesía de la Primavera Tramway:-

a) 1903: 1 January sees the introduction of the first mule-drawn trams on the line running between Puerta Real and the Railway Station, with branch lines to Riazor and the tram depot.

b) 1906: Offers to acquire the Company are received from various locations, including Zaragoza, Bilbao, Florence and Belgium. Reduced fares fail to halt the Company’s decline.

c) 1907: A Belgian company takes over management of the public transport service in the city of La Coruña.

d) 1908: The two way track is installed on Los Cantones in order to prevent unnecessary hold-ups when trams cross over, and work starts on the branch line between Travesía de la Primavera (today Alcalde Marchesi) and Monelos Bridge.

e) 1909: The Belgian management of the service ends in bankruptcy and Tranvías de La Coruña recovers control of the company.

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Travesia de Primavera and Tram Tracks La Coruna
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Mauriac Hotel Postcard
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CC544 F & R

From: Ex/ Constantini Canein, Cantine Silli. Barage de l’Aigle. Mauriac. Cantal, Francia.

To: Srd. Dña. Josefina Iparraguirre, General. San Jurjo – 8 – 3, La Coruña, España

Date: Front: Four CDS “AYNES/8 */8 – 1/44/CANTAL” (08 January 1944)
Back: Two CDS “…BASTIAN/?0 ENE 44 8N” Maybe San Sebastian

Stamps: Total: 4 Francs
One SG625 30c Mercury red (1938)
One SG715 70c Marshal Petain orange (1941)
One SG713 60c Marshal Petain violet (1941)
One block of 4 SG713 60c Marshal Petain violet (1941)

Censor: Plain brown tape on three sides
Violet Circular handstamp “…VIGO” – possibly “CENSURA POSTAL
GUBERNATIVA/VIGO”

Markings: Black circular handstamp “Ay” – possibly for “AYNE”
Indistinct handstamp “53?”
Indistinct line receiver stamp

Notes:


Henri Philippe Benoni Omer Joseph Pétain (French pronunciation: [petɛ̃]; 24 April 1856 – 23 July 1951), generally known as Philippe Pétain or Marshal Pétain (Maréchal Pétain), was a French general who reached the distinction of Marshal of France, and was later Chief of State of Vichy France (Chef de l'État Français), from 1940 to 1944. Pétain, who was 84 years old in 1940, ranks as France's oldest head of state.

Because of his outstanding military leadership in World War I, particularly during the Battle of Verdun, he was viewed as a national hero in France. With the imminent French defeat in June 1940, Pétain was appointed Premier of France by President Lebrun at Bordeaux, and the Cabinet resolved to make peace with Germany.

The entire government subsequently moved briefly to Clermont-Ferrand, then to the spa town of Vichy in central France. His government voted to transform the discredited French Third Republic into the French State, an authoritarian regime.

As the war progressed, the government at Vichy collaborated with the Germans, who in 1942 finally occupied the whole of metropolitan France because of the threat from North Africa.

Petain's actions during World War II resulted in his conviction and death sentence for treason, which was commuted to life imprisonment by his former protégé Charles de Gaulle.

In modern France he is remembered as an ambiguous figure, while pétainisme is a derogatory term for certain reactionary policies.

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Ahoj bazza!

I'm guessing again or rather offering a hazy recollection. I think the Ay may be a German censorship mark applied in Bordeaux.

Someone will shoot me down if I am wrong. :)

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Thanks Honza

It does seem strange to abbreviate "AYNE" to "Ay" - let's see what someone comes back with.

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Yes, Ay is a Transit mark for Bordeaux, meaning that the
cover was handled by the censor station but was not opened.
Other terms that can be used are Durchlaufstempel or
Released Unexamined Handstamp.
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Thanks europhil

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CC545 F & R

From: S Martenot, 1 Br Chiers Dijon (France)

To: Major Luther D. Schau. ILq D. B. S. Ord. Sect, APO 772, US Army

Date: One CDS “DIJON-GARE/22 30/11 VI/1945/COTE D’OR (11 June 1945)

Stamps: One SG913 2 franc Marianne green (1945)

Slogan: Waved line cancellation

Censor: White paper tape “CONTROLE/CONTROLE”
Two black oval (pointed) handstamps “???/DJA/AUTORITIÉS DE CONTROLÉ”

Markings: Red handstamp “12 in square”

Notes:

Dijon is a city in eastern France, the préfecture (administrative capital) of the Côte-d'Or département (county) and of the Bourgogne région. Dijon is the historical capital of the province of Burgundy. Population (1999): 149,867 for the commune; 240,000 for the greater Dijon area

The city, approximately one hour and 40 minutes southeast of Paris by the TGV high-speed train, is famous for its mustard, even though nowadays mustard seeds are largely imported.

The term Dijon mustard (moutarde de Dijon) designates a method for the making of mustard. Traditional Dijon mustard is particularly strong. Most Dijon mustard (brands such as Amora or Maille) is produced industrially, but the town also specializes in exotic or unusually-flavored mustard, often sold in decorative hand-painted faïence (china) pots.

As the capital of the Burgundy region, Dijon reigns over some of the best wine country in the world.

Trivia:

ondes Martenot
(Music / Instruments) Music an electronic keyboard instrument in which the frequency of an oscillator is varied to produce separate musical notes
[French, literally: Martenot waves, invented by Maurice Martenot (1898-1980)]

The history of Maison François Martenot dates back to the beginning of the 20th century when Lucien Gustave Martenot acquired a domain of 10ha in Savigny-les- Beaune. This domain has been created in 1859 by Léonce Bocquet, then sole owner of the Château du Clos Vougeot, and fervent defender of Burgundy and its cultural heritage.

APO 772

ARZEW ALGERIA 23 3 43
ORAN ALGERIA 7 43
NA PLIES ITALY 30 11 43
MARSEILLE FRANCE .6 10 44
CEASED OPERATION 26 4 46

https://www.scribd.com/doc/32255943/United-States-Army-Apo-List-1942-1947-NoPW

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This is not an area that I have dabbled in before, so I don't know anything about this cover that I recently picked up.

It was mailed from Amsterdam Dec. 31, 1940 and was opened by German Censor:
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then appears to have been received at Elizabeth Port approx Feb. 1, 1941
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Is this a fairly common cover?

Also, is the small boxed 1578 on the left side of the back of this cover a censor mark?

Thanks for any info you can share.

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CC546 F & R

From: Mr. Marie Jeannin, 23 rue Hôtel de Ville, Neuilly – s – Seine, France

To: Mr. & Mrs. Percy Allen Seibert, Casilla 49 D, Santiago du Chili, Chili, Amérique du Sud

Date: Two CDS “NEUILLY – S/-(SUR) – SEINE/5/16 20/JUIL/45/SEINE (20 July 1945)

Stamps: Two SG913 2 franc Marianne green (1945)

Censor: Pink paper tape “CONTROLE/CONTROLE”
Two violet oval (pointed) handstamps “OVERTE ???/AUTORITIÉS DE CONTROLÉ”

Markings: Blue rectangular handstamp “848”
Offset black CDS

Notes:

Santiago was founded by Italy/Spanish Conquistador Pedro de Valdivia on February 11, 1541 with the name Santiago de Nueva Extremadura, as a homage to Saint James and Extremadura, Valdivia's birth place in Spain.[1]

Percy Allen Seibert was a Civil Engineer

U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
Immigration & Travel
Name: Percy Allen Seibert
Father: M Finley Seibert


............... 4 Percy Allen Seibert b: December 01, 1880 d: 1971
Age at death: 91 est.
................... +Jeanne Alphand b: 1874 d: 1959 Age at death: 85 est. (possibly his wife)


PROCEEDINGS OF THE AMERICAN SOCIETY OF CIVIL ENGINEERS (INSTITUTED 1852)
VOL. XXXIX— No. I
JANUARY, I913
PUBLIC UERA RY,
Edited by the Secretary, under the direction of the Committee on Publications.

January, 11)13. J MINUTES OF MEETINGS

As Associate Members
Amon J>kx.)AiMI.n Bkown, Kiipert, Idtiho
Levant R Brown, Lafayette, Ind.

Percy Allen Seibert, La Paz, Bolivia

Plumer Henry Smith, Texas City, Tex.
John Lynch Stanage, Fort Worth, Tex.

U.S. Ambassador to Santiago Chile Cecil B. Lyon:

Box: 13 Fold: 18 Santiago, Chile - Appointment Congratulations "S"
Datespan: 3/56-6/56
DESCRIPTION: Contains congratulatory correspondence received by CBL re his promotion as US ambassador to Santiago, Chile. Correspondents include - William Sanders, Jacques Schricke, Walter K. Schwinn, Percy A. Seibert, Alberto Sepulveda Contreras, Horace H. Smith, Edward J. Sparks, Philip D. Sprouse, Wells Stabler, James H. Stebbins, Albert Stoffel, Wallace W. Stuart, James S. Sutterlin.


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Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid:-

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064115/

Britton
Ryan - Vernon
Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:00pm
69.145.32.255

Leaving It with Ryan was better than burying it. Cassidy didn’t trust banks, why not leave a little nest egg with Ryan, in case he needed later. Besides, Jack Ryan was a close friend, he may have wanted to attend his funeral, pay his respects.

Casual acquaintance, Percy Allen Seibert. Tom Vernon, long term relationship with Butch Cassidy.

Vernon Hotel - - Butch Cassidy and his gang stayed the Vernon Hotel when they were in town. Tom and Butch became good friends. Mr. Thomas "Tom" Brown Vernon came to Baggs "when there wasn't much but outlaws and sheepherders". He was a good carpenter and could be seen almost any day, tearing down or building up something in Baggs. He also loved to play the violin. In 1897, the Cassidy gang stayed at the Vernon Hotel and celebrated the Castle Gate Robbery at Jack Ryan's Bulldog Saloon next door. They proceeded to shoot up the saloon but compensated Jack a dollar for each of the 25 bullet holes in the bar.

Most who knew him described Butch Cassidy as an agreeable fellow with a sense of humor, generous with his associates, and quick to make friends with children. He also liked the ladies, and many apparently returned his affections. There is no documentation that he ever killed anyone, although some members of his loosely formed gang, called "The Wild Bunch," could not make that claim. One of the prevailing beliefs, and one perpetuated by the movie Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, is that Cassidy and the Sundance Kid met their deaths in Bolivia when they were involved in a shoot-out with the local military in 1912. There is no question that the two went with Etta Place to Argentina and later were in Bolivia. However, many individuals claim that Cassidy returned to the United States--some say to California, others claim to the Pacific Northwest--and lived the rest of his life within the law under an assumed identity.

Among those making the claim were members of his own family; his sister Lula Parker Betenson claimed that Cassidy came for a visit in the fall of 1925. On that occasion he told members of his family that a friend, Percy Seibert, from the Concordia Tin Mines near San Vicente, Bolivia, identified the two bodies as being those of him and Sundance. Cassidy figured Seibert did this so he could make a new start for himself without being chased by the law, either in the United States or in South America. Apparently he had expressed just such a desire to Seibert on several occasions. In addition to his family's claims, many former associates in Wyoming insisted that Butch Cassidy returned there for a visit in the 1930s.

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Montage of Santiago images
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Map of Santiago 1895

Panoramic photo of northern Santiago
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CC547 F & R

From: Indistint P??, France

To: Croix Rouge Internationale, Geneve Suisse

Note reversed “N”s

Date: Black CDS “CENTRALISATEUR/*/28-3/40/PARIS” 28 March 1940
Indistinct handstamp rectangular “AM???/TAU???/Y???/PART??? and circular
“AMP???/17 15/? - ?/40/?A?? DE CALAIS”

Stamps: Nil

Censor: Two Red handstamps “CONTROLE POSTAL/COMMISSION UP/”Statue of Liberty” seated

Markings: Blue circular handstamp “11° RÉGIMENT REG???/???OMPAGNIE (maybe “compagnie”)”
Blue handstamp “08431”
Red handstamp “29 MARS 1940”
Red crayon “A”

Notes:

The Red Cross came into being at the initiative of a man named Henry Dunant, who helped wounded soldiers at the battle of Solferino in 1859 and then lobbied political leaders to take more action to protect war victims. His two main ideas were for a treaty that would oblige armies to care of all wounded soldiers and for the creation of national societies that would help the military medical services

The red crescent emblem was first used in 1876 by medical units of the (Turkish) Ottoman Empire, which was fighting a war with Russia.

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Ahoj bazza!

An interesting cover from an interesting period about six weeks before the Germans invaded France.

I am fairly sure the postmark is Pas de Calais - the department in north-west France opposite England and next to Belgium.

I can't trace any town there beginning AM, so I'm wondering whether it could be AMB. for a T.P.O.

The slogan is very overinked, but I was imagining TOURISTES on the second line and PITTORESQUE on the last line, but I think I must be deluding myself, because I cannot think of a touristy slogan being used in wartime :?

Can anyone help with the first line which should be the easiest to read?

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Thanks Honza

Here is a larger scan that might help:-

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Honza, Touristy slogans wouldn't suddenly disappear just because a war started. The same slogan cancels in use before the war would still have been in use.

Here is an example from Australia, dated January 1942. Australia had been at war for over 2 years and the war in the Pacific had begun exactly month earlier.

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A closer look at the slogan on the cancel

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The only people planning to 'visit sunny Australia' in January 1942 were US military personnel and the Japanese!
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librarianc wrote:This is not an area that I have dabbled in before, so I don't know anything about this cover that I recently picked up.

It was mailed from Amsterdam Dec. 31, 1940 and was opened by German Censor:
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then appears to have been received at Elizabeth Port approx Feb. 1, 1941
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Is this a fairly common cover?

Also, is the small boxed 1578 on the left side of the back of this cover a censor mark?

Thanks for any info you can share.

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Fairly common cover,although 70 -80 years on, getting harder to find,
this one appears to have been censored in Frankfurt,before heading off to America,and yes the little boxed number is a censors mark.
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I wonder, this chap (the recipient) may still be alive today. Oh, the history in these things!

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Picked this one up recently for $2.
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Morawski, Frederick Peter

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[Frederick Peter Morawski] War or Conflict WWII, 1941-1945

Coverage 1942-1946

Branch United States Marine Corps Reserve, 2nd Marine Division

Rank Corporal (E-3)

Subject Pacific Theatre of Operations : Tarawa, Guadalcanal,Saipan, Guam

Frederick Peter Morawski volunteered for the United States Marine Corps reserve in 1942. Deploying to the Pacific, Morawski fought in successive island campaigns, including Tarawa, Guadalcanal, Siapan, and Guam. Both he and his brother John served as marines, by war's end, however, Frederick was the only son who returned. The visciousness of jungle combat taught hard lessons to these young soldiers. As a veteran of several amphibious assaults, his senior NCOs taught him survival techniques, such as maintaining noise and movement discipline in order to avoid Japanese snipers. Recruited for the "V-12" program, Morawski utilized the GI Bill, which allowed him to complete a degree at Yale University.



Frederick P. Morawski

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Born: 06/04/1924

Branch: U.S. Marine Corps

War Served: WWII

Rank: Corporal

Served In: Pacific Theater


Interview
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https://www.ccsu.edu/page.cfm?p=9065

Frederick Morawski Collection


Biographical Information

Name:
Frederick Peter Morawski
Date of Birth:
1924

Note:
Veteran's place of birth is Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Gender:
Male
Race:
Unspecified
Home State:
CT
War or Conflict:
World War, 1939-1945
Status:
Veteran
Entrance into Service:
Enlisted
Branch of Service:
Marine Corps
Unit of Service:
2nd Marine Division
Location of Service:
Tinian and Saipan (Northern Mariana Islands); Tarawa Atoll (Gilbert Islands); Okinawa Island (Ryukyu Islands); Pacific Theater
Battles/Campaigns:
Tarawa, Tinian
Highest Rank:
Corporal
Prisoner of War:
No
Service Related Injury:
No



Collection Information

Type of Resource:
Video: DVD [1 item] --Oral history interview
Manuscript: Military papers (orders, personnel/201 files, etc) [1 item] --Typewritten document
Photograph: Digital print [3 items] --Photographs
Interviewer:
Kevin Arconti
Contributor:
Eileen M. Hurst
Contributor Affiliation/Organization:
Central Connecticut State University
Collection #:
AFC/2001/001/78333
Subjects:
Morawski, Frederick
World War, 1939-1945 -- Personal Narratives
United States. Marine Corps.
Cite as:
Frederick Morawski Collection (AFC/2001/001/78333), Veterans History Project, American Folklife Center, Library of Congress
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CC548 F & R

From: Oro??? & ??, Soho Square W., London England

To: Messrs. Sherwood & Sherwood, 41-7, Beale Street, San Francisco, California

Date: Partial black date stamp “(L)ONDON W.1/.15PM/30 MAY 18c

Stamps: One pair SG351 ½d King George V green (1913)
Perfins “?? & ? (E or P?)/SOHO”

Slogan: Black “??? NOW”

Censor: Paper tape “OPENED BY/CENSOR./1523

Markings: Pencil “PERFINS”
Printed on reverse “SOHO SQUARE./W.”

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Soho Square:
Originally built during the late 1670s the Square was originally called King's Square, for King Charles II. A statue of Charles II was carved by Danish sculptor Caius Gabriel Cibber in 1681 and placed at the centre of the Square. The statue was removed from the square during 1875 was replaced by the present timbered structure, part tool-shed, part arbour and only returned during 1938. The current building is a rebuild that was carried out during the 1930's. The garden was first opened to the public in 1954 when the gardens committee leased it to the City of Westminster. The current railings and gates were provided by the Soho Square Gardens Committee and the City of Westminster in 1959

Sherwood & Sherwood

Importers, Shipping and Commission Merchants

SAN FRANCISCO. CAL


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CC549 F & R

From: London, England

To: Mr. G. F. Miller, (Altavista, Villa Obregon, Mexico D.F.) – Struck through.

Date: Front: Two (one indistinct) black CDS “LONDON F.S./6.15PM/8 AUG/1940/M”
(08 August 1940)
Back: One CDS black “LISTA/SET 6 1940 (upside down)/VILLA OBREGON D.F.”
One CDS black “LISTA/OCT 7 1940 (upside down)/VILLA OBREGON D.F.”
One black CDS “VILLA…/? SET 40 - ?/D.F.”

Stamps: One SG467 3d. King George VI violet (1938)

Slogan: Wavy line cancellation

Censor: White paper tape overlaying brown paper tape “EXAMINER 871/P.C. 90/OPENED BY”
Censor added “Mr.” in pen

Markings: Black square handstamp “30”
Black handstamp “REZAGOS.” (Google translates as “BACKLOG” but could it mean
“RETURN TO SENDER”?)
Pencil “6”
Black handstamp “NO RECLAMADA” (UNCLAIMED)
Black handstamp “DEVUELTO POR HABER CUMPLIDO EL B??? DE LAY??? (Maybe
“RETURN TO SENDER”???)
Pencil “FALLICIO 8-5-40/RUJAS” (No idea)

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Melaque is a busy community located 4+ kilometers northwest of Barra de Navidad on Bahia de Navidad in the state of Jalisco. This area is actually comprised of three beachfront villages; San Patricio, Villa Obregon and Melaque - all generally referred to as “Melaque”. The small village of Melaque has been a vacation retreat for Mexicans for generations. San Patricio is a kilometer strip in the middle of the three villages that contains a colorful town square and lots of retail shops. Villa Obregon, to the east, is much more residential. The three 'municipios' form the largest community along the coast between Puerto Vallarta and Manzanillo.

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Mexican Revolution 1910-1928

General Obregon (later President) , Pancho Villa & Black Jack Pershing, all on a friendly basis at the time…later on Pershing would chase Villa all over Mexico and never catch him.

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Ahoj again bazza!

I think REZAGOS may mean delayed.

I am fairly sure

Devuelto por haber cumplido el término de ley

means returned after the time-limit prescribed by law

Hope that helps and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and everybody on Stampboards!

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honza wrote:Ahoj again bazza!

I think REZAGOS may mean delayed.

I am fairly sure

Devuelto por haber cumplido el término de ley

means returned after the time-limit prescribed by law

Hope that helps and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and everybody on Stampboards!

Cheers,

Honza

Thanks once again Honza.

And Happy New Year to you also.

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CC550 F & R

From: Via Knights of Columbus War Services, Great Britain

To: Mrs. J.A. Perry, 8.3 Upham St., Malden, Mass. U.S.A.

Date: Two black CDS “FIELD POST OFFICE ??? 314/JY 5 41 (05 July 1941)

Stamps: One SG462 ½d King George VI green (1937)
One SG465 2d King George VI orange (1938)

Censor: Paper tape “EXAMINER 4095/P.C. 90/OPENED BY”

Markings: Violet oval handstamp “ORDERLY ROOM/4 CDN. FIELD AMBULANCE”. Canadian.
Pencil “OVER”
Circular print “KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS/WAR SERVICES/CROWN/BEAVER & MAPLE
LEAF/CAH”

Notes:

4th Canadian Field Ambulance sailed from Halifax on the Reina Del Pacico 18 December 1939. They were on the same ship as the 1st Bn 48th Highlanders. Sailing List No. 50, Serial No. 32.

The Part II Order Number for the 48th Highlanders issued by CANADIAN SECTION G.H.Q., 2nd Echelon is No. 9 dated 17 February 41.

The Fort William Daily Times-Journal
Friday September 8, 1939

RECRUITS SIGN UP WITH FOURTH FIELD AMBULANCE CORPS

Recalling the enviable reputation for service to the Canadian forces
overseas in the last war which was earned by the Royal Canadian Army
Medical Corps, Col. W. J. Heringer, officer commanding the local Fourth
Field Ambulance, announced today that 56 men have been passed by the
medical board and accepted to the ranks.

Knights of Columbus:

Even before the Knights of Columbus transformed their building on Central Street into a recreational centre for servicemen, they were welcoming personnel from RCAF Station Summerside to their premises. The Summerside Journal on February 18, 1941 reported, “The regular weekly card party sponsored by the Knights of Columbus and Catholic Women’s League was held last night in the K of C Home being largely attended. Quite a large representation of the Air Force were among those present and a pleasant evening was spent.”

The Home, which was located opposite the Court House, became an official Canadian Army Hut on June 21, 1941. The first floor was renovated to offer a poolroom, card room, reading and writing rooms, and a large recreation hall, all with fireplaces. The games that could be enjoyed besides pool and cards, included ping-pong, darts, checkers, and mechanical hockey games. A piano, radio, and “nicholedeon” were also available and during the fall of 1941 regular dances were held. According to an article in the Journal in December 1941, “The committee in charge of the activities at the C.A.H. have nothing but the highest praise for the fine spirit and manly conduct of all service men who are availing themselves of the privileges of the Hut.”

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CC551 F & R

From: Henry Mitchell, Hous, Egypt (Can't find "Hous" on any map)

To: Mr. R. E. Stouffer, Box 214, Waynesboro, PA USA, North America

Date: Two black CDS “Arabic text/16 AP 43 8 – A/ASYOT (16 April 1943)
One black CDS “Arabic text/16.AP.43.9 – P”

Stamps: One SG249 2 Milis King Farouk red (1937)
One SG257 20 Milis King Farouk blue (1937)

Censor: Clear tape “7428/EXAMINED BY”
Two black circular handstamps “Arabic text/M/CENSORSHIP DEPT.”

Markings: Pen “ENGLISH”
Pencil “#209/2” and “#216/6”
Indistinct black cancellation

Notes: Stouffer Custom Cycles

Address: 11217 Buchanan Trl E
Phone number: 717 765-8337
Zip code: 17268 - 9495
City: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania (PA)

Greencastle, Pa. —
Lawrence E. Stouffer, age 87, of 14918 Mercersburg Road, Greencastle, Pa., died at 3 a.m. Sunday, July 24, 2011, at the NMS Healthcare of Hagerstown, Md. He had been in declining health the past few months.

Born Aug. 1, 1923, in Cearfoss, Md., he was the son of the late Russell and Pearl V. (Keller) Stouffer.

Modern Asyut:

Today, the city of Asyut has almost 400,000 inhabitants. It is the Egyptian city with the highest Coptic Christian concentration. It is also home to the University of Asyut, one of the largest universities in Egypt, to the Assiut Barrage, and to the Lillian Trasher Orphanage. The Virgin Mary is reported to have appeared in Asyut on 17 August 2000. This apparition is recognized as an official Marian apparition by the Coptic Orthodox Church.

Asyut is the terminus of the Ras Shukheir-Asyut oil pipeline, the terminus of the Cairo-Asyut gas pipeline and the beginning of the proposed Asyut-Qena gas pipeline, the last two being part of the Nile Valley Gas Company Pipeline Project.

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Here is a philatelic cover from Palestine to the UK.

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Here is a close up of the RAF censor mark.

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I think the "Extra" stamps have been added just as a Philatelic oddity,
and have no real place being there,
Just a Bit of Fun,by a Bored Trooper to see what markings the letter may pick up along the way. :lol: :lol: :lol:

The little label on the bottom is from a South African Mini Sheet that the Bantam Stamp was in,(I think :? )
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Happy new year to everyone!

Here are three very different censored covers I have had since my school days, discovered them in a box the other day.

I would appreciate some comments on especially the Iran/Iraq one. The return address on the back is in Iran, but there is some kind of Iraq cancellation on the front? And the address is in South Africa. I don't even know if the stamps are Iranian or Iraqi, and if the cover were posted in Iran why pass through Iraq?

There appears to be two censor labels also, the South African one and another, in either Arabic or Persian? There is also an English language date stamp on the back, upside down, across the 10D stamps, but I can't make it out.

Do any of these covers have any value?

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This one is from Egypt during the second world war. These I see quite often on ebay, don't appear to be particularly unusual, but what does attract my attention are the Robben Island date stamps, it arrived on Robben Island on 9 June 1942, and was redirected to Simonstown on the 11th of June it seems. I haven't seen many Robben Island cancellations - maybe I haven't been looking in the right place.

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The last one seems pretty ordinary to me, from Kenya to South Africa during the second world war. Still somehow suprised it was censored, Kenya and SA were both British at that time.

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I've always just assumed that the B-1 killer on this WWII cover from India to Palestine

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was somehow connected with Indian censorship, although the cover has an HM Ships censor stamp. B-1 had been retired from active postal service some 60 years before. Do any of the censorship experts have an explanation for it? Or is it just ornamental?
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OK, I have done a little research with the help of ebay :D and I see the stamps on the first cover are from Iran - so now I am still wondering why it went via Iraq, and is the censor label Iraqi or Iranian? My guess is Arabic and thus Iraqi, it seems to be some of the same wording as in the Iraqi censor mark on the front. The second, very light date stamp on the two back stamps seems to be Baghdad.

[quote="zaguy"]Happy new year to everyone!

Here are three very different censored covers I have had since my school days, discovered them in a box the other day.

I would appreciate some comments on especially the Iran/Iraq one. The return address on the back is in Iran, but there is some kind of Iraq cancellation on the front? And the address is in South Africa. I don't even know if the stamps are Iranian or Iraqi, and if the cover were posted in Iran why pass through Iraq?

There appears to be two censor labels also, the South African one and another, in either Arabic or Persian? There is also an English language date stamp on the back, upside down, across the 10D stamps, but I can't make it out.

Do any of these covers have any value?

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This one is from Egypt during the second world war. These I see quite often on ebay, don't appear to be particularly unusual, but what does attract my attention are the Robben Island date stamps, it arrived on Robben Island on 9 June 1942, and was redirected to Simonstown on the 11th of June it seems. I haven't seen many Robben Island cancellations - maybe I haven't been looking in the right place.

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The last one seems pretty ordinary to me, from Kenya to South Africa during the second world war. Still somehow suprised it was censored, Kenya and SA were both British at that time.

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CC552 F & R

From: ???UENTA LIMITADA, Rua Dos Douradores, 135, Lisboa Portugal

To: Messrs. Barclays Bank Limited, Chief Foreign Branch, (1)68, Fenchurch Street, London E.C.3 (England)

Date: Two octagonal date stamps “LIS(BOA)/24.NOV.39/CENTRAL” (24 November 1939)

Stamps: Total: 4 escudos 75 centavos
One pair and one single SG899 1 escudo Gil Vicente red (1937)
One SG849b 1 escudo 75 centavos Cameons Poem “Lusiad” blue (1931)

Censor: Two paper tapes “P.C. 66/OPENED BY/CENSOR/1827

Markings: Red Registration Label (?) “Modêlo n.° 43/LISBOA CENTRAL/PORTUGAL/N. .° 12541”
Blue crayon “X”
Pencil 6 0/- (or ‘d’)
Pencil “1/5/?6”
Black circular stamp “?RES”
Wax Seal “NLD?” (of the sender?)
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Barclay's Bank:
This bank traces its origins back to 1690 when John Freame and Thomas Gould started trading as goldsmith bankers in Lombard Street, London. The name "Barclays" became associated with the business in 1736, when James Barclay, son-in-law of John Freame, one of the founders, became a partner in the business. In 1728, the bank moved to 54 Lombard Street, which was identified by the 'Sign of the Black Spread Eagle', over the years becoming a core part of the bank's identity.

In 1896 several banks in London and the English provinces, notably Backhouse's Bank of Darlington and Gurney's Bank of Norwich, united under the banner of Barclays and Co., a joint-stock bank. Between 1905 and 1916 Barclays extended its branch network by making acquisitions of small English banks.

Marks & Spencer, 168 Fenchurch Street London

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Rua Douradores 135, 4º -E
1100-204 Lisboa
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"I remember the lady at the museum shop, confounded when I asked for directions to Rua dos Douradores. She must have thought I was looking for a street paved in gold (ouro) as she took out her map. I felt silly telling her I was in Lisbon looking for a common street, where, from the fourth floor of a building, one Bernardo Soares, another Pessoa alter ego, surveyed the entire world. “And if the office on the Rua dos Douradores represents life for me, the fourth-floor room where I live represents Art for me. Yes, Art, residing at the very same street as Life, but in a different place. Yes for me the Rua dos Douradores contains the meaning of everything and the answer to all riddles…”

"Perhaps it is a fitting fate for Rua dos Douradores to remain in obscurity, that even the staff at Casa Fernando Pessoa have trouble finding it in their maps, and also a fitting fate for me to wander this city after “the man of twists and turns” vainly looking for it."

Gil Vicente (c.1465 – c. 1536), called the Trobadour, was a Portuguese playwright and poet who acted in and directed his own plays.

Though some of his works were later suppressed by the Inquisition, causing his fame to wane, he is now recognised as one of the principal figures of the Portuguese Renaissance


THE LUSIAD;
OR,
THE DISCOVERY OF INDIA.
AN EPIC POEM.
TRANSLATED FROM THE PORTUGUESE OF LUIS DE CAMOËNS.
WITH A LIFE OF THE POET.
BY WILLIAM JULIUS MICKLE.
FIFTH EDITION, REVISED,
BY E. RICHMOND HODGES, M.C.P.,
HON. LIBRARIAN TO THE SOCIETY OF BIBLICAL ARCHÆOLOGY

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This is an interesting thread, that I have marked for complete reading as soon as I have time.

Is there anyone that could give me a price indication / story on these two covers? They come from an old box in the attic of an extended family member (true story, not trying to sell them like they sell them on ebay all of the time). This person was stationed with the German army in both Belgium and (what is now) east Poland in the first world war. According to the stories, he made it out alive.

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I posted these somewhere else, but it was suggested that the real specialists are here. Thanks!
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CC553 F & R

From: Thomas Rowlands, Rua José Falcâo, 60, Porto, Portugal

To: Messrs. Charles Lavy & Co., Ltd., 125, Portland Street, Manchester, 1 England

Date: Octagonal Date Stamp “CORREO AEREO/PORTUGAL/22-11??-40?-10-11/PORTO
Offset CDS on reverse

Stamps: Two SG892 1 escudo 75 centavos Shield and Propeller red (1937)

Censor: Paper tape “P.C.90/OPENED NY/EXAMINER 325”

Markings: Label “POR AVIĀO/PAR AVION”
Various watermarks on cover

Notes:

Charles Lavy & Co. were Textile Shipping Merchants

Portugal Industry:

Portuguese industry is mainly light; the development of heavy industry has been hampered by a shortage of electric power.

Textiles—especially cottons and woolens—are the oldest and most important of Portugal's manufactures. Other principal industries are automotive assembly, electronics, glass, porcelain, and pottery, footwear, cement, cellulose and paper, rubber and chemicals, cork and cork products, and food industries (mainly canned fish). Small artisan industries, such as jewelry and homespun and hand-embroidered clothing, are of local importance.


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Rua Jose Falcao 60 Porto Portugal
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125 Portland Street Manchester
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Manchester 1169 and 1167, GNA 87 and GNA85, Crossley TDD4s with Crossley H28/26R bodies, new in 1941, seen in Portland Street at the terminus of the routes from Ashton and Stalybridge in May 1959.
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CC554 F & R

From: Unknown

To: Mrs. C. F. Harvey, 279 Hazle Ave., Wilkes-Barre, Penna., USA

Date: Black CDS “FIE(LD POST) OFFICE/B/DE 5/17/T.P. 5” (05 December 1917)

Stamps: One SG357 - 361 1d King George V bright scarlet or pale rose-red or vermillion or ??? (1912)

Censor: Brown paper tape “OPENED BY/CENSOR 6140”
Pink rectangular handstamp “CROWN/PASSED/BY/CENSOR/NO./?(obliterated)”

Notes:

C.F. Harvey:
“Scranton Republican”, Wednesday, July 17, 1889
Luzerne county –
Teacher Appointments -
There is no circumstance so necessary to the wholesome occupation of the school teacher as the knowledge that he is to be re-employed for another year and the Second district directors, no doubt acting upon this idea, Monday evening appointed the following persons to preside in an educational way over the juvenile product of that portion of the city for the coming year:
Parrish Street School - T. B. HARRISON, superintendent and principal of high school at $90 per month; C. F. HARVEY, assistant, $80; Annie GARRAHAN, $45; Theresa LENAHAN, $40; Ella BOYLE, A primary, $45; Annie DEVANEY, B primary, $40; Mamie REILLY, C primary, $45

Wilkes-Barre:
The Wyoming Valley was first inhabited by the Shawanese and Delaware Indian tribes in the early 18th century. By 1769, a group led by John Durkee became the first Europeans to reach the area. The settlement was named Wilkes-Barre after John Wilkes and Isaac Barré, two British members of Parliament who supported colonial America.

The initial settlers were aligned with Connecticut, which had a claim on the land that rivaled Pennsylvania's. Armed men loyal to Pennsylvania twice attempted to evict the residents of Wilkes-Barre in what came to be known as the Pennamite Wars. After the American Revolution, the conflict was resolved so that the settlers retained title to their lands but transferred their allegiance to Pennsylvania.

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279 Hazle Street Wilkes-Barre PA
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Wilkes-Barre 1889
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South Main Street, from Public Square, Wilkes-Barre, PA
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Good grief, you are a genious bazza4338! Thanks heaps for all that info!
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CC557 F & R

From: Frank Ed Ortega, Co. D. 41st. Enyers (Engineers?), A.E.F. via N.Y., USA

To: Mis(s) A Leyua, 731 Glades Ave, Los Angeles, California, Los A CO (?) USM (?)

Date: Partial CDS “MO?? W??” covered by censor tape (Possibly WWI)

Stamps: Nil

Censor: Paper tape “OPENED BY/CENSOR/3395”

Markings: Red and Blue USA flag
Pencil arrow pointing to “VIA”
Pencil “USED IN ENGLAND”
Pencil “5”
“FROM and 4 lines”
“NATIONAL/WAR WORK COUNCIL/ARMY AND NAVY/YOUNG MEN’S CHRISTIAN ASSOCIATION/’WITH THE COLORS’”

Notes:

YMCA:

The history of the YMCA work with the military actually predates the Civil War. Historian C. Howard Hopkins noted that the YMCA's Portsmouth Association in 1856 received the government's endorsement to place books in the navy's Portsmouth training ship and later received permission to hold religious meetings. According to a YMCA journal of the time, similar services were initiated by the Boston Association in 1859.

Formally, however, the YMCA dates its service to the early months of the Civil War (1861) when a handful of YMCA members sought to provide helpful services "by whatever means they could" to the troops at war.

Retired Boston sea captain Thomas Valentine Sullivan, working as a marine missionary, noticed a need to create a safe “home away from home” for sailors and merchants. Inspired by the stories of the Y in England, he led the formation of the first U.S. YMCA at the Old South Church in Boston on December 29, 1851.

American Expeditionary Forces:

Doughboy is an informal term for an American soldier, especially members of the American Expeditionary Forces (AEF) in World War I. The term dates back to the Mexican–American War of 1846–48.
The term was used sparingly during World War II, gradually replaced by the appellations "G.I.", "Troop", or "Dogface", but was still used in popular songs of the day, as in the 1942 song "Johnny Doughboy found a Rose in Ireland." It dropped out of popular use soon after World War II.
The term was in use in the 1840s. The origins are unclear. The most often cited explanation is that it arose during the Mexican–American War, after observers noticed U.S. infantry forces were constantly covered with chalky dust from marching through the dry terrain of northern Mexico, giving the men the appearance of unbaked dough. Another suggestion is that doughboys were so named because of their method of cooking field rations of the 1840s and 1850s, usually doughy flour and rice concoctions baked in the ashes of a camp fire, although this does not explain why only infantryman received the appellation.

Still another explanation involves pipe clay, a substance with the appearance of dough used by pre-Civil War soldiers to clean their white garrison belts. The uniforms that were worn by American soldiers in the World War I era had very large buttons. The soldiers from allied nations suggested that the Americans were dressed like "Gingerbread Men" and then began to refer to the Americans as The Doughboys.

President Woodrow Wilson initially planned to give command of the AEF to General Frederick Funston, but after Funston's sudden death, Wilson appointed Major General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing in May 1917; Pershing remained in command for the entire war. Pershing insisted that American soldiers be well-trained before going to Europe. As a result, few troops arrived before 1918. In addition, Pershing insisted that the American force would not be used merely to fill gaps in the French and British armies, and he resisted European efforts to have U.S. troops deployed as individual replacements in decimated Allied units. This attitude was not always well received by the Allied leaders who distrusted the potential of an army lacking experience in large-scale warfare. In addition the British tried to barter their spare shipping to make the US put its soldiers into British ranks

John J. Pershing:

John Joseph "Black Jack" Pershing, GCB (Hon) (September 13, 1860 – July 15, 1948) was a general officer in the United States Army. Pershing is the only person to be promoted in his own lifetime to the highest rank ever held in the United States Army—General of the Armies (a retroactive Congressional edict passed in 1976 promoted George Washington to the same rank but with higher seniority). Pershing also holds the first United States officer service number (O-1). Pershing led the American Expeditionary Forces in World War I, and was regarded as a mentor by the generation of American generals who led the United States Army in Europe during World War II, including George C. Marshall, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Omar N. Bradley, and George S. Patton.

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CC558 F & R

From: Indistinct – partially covered by censor tape. London

To: Mrs. Shane Leslie, 2127 Le Roy Place, Washington D.C. U.S.A.

Date: “LONDON W.1/9.15 AM/20 APR 18” (20 April 1918)

Stamps: Embossed SG(?) 1d King George V red (date ?)

Slogan: Black rectangular “BUY/WAR BON(DS?)/NOW”

Censor: Large rectangular tape “OPENED BY/CENSOR/3215”

Notes:

It could be feasible that this cover was addressed to the wife of Sir Shane Leslie, Irish Diplomat and Writer (CONFIRMED!! – see below) because:-

1.. He was a diplomat

2.. He worked in Washington

3.. The address is in an area of embassy properties


Le Roy Place:

Embassies in Le Roy Place Washington

Colombia 2118 Leroy Place NW Kalorama

Guinea 2112 Leroy Place NW Kalorama

Mauritania 2129 Leroy Place NW Kalorama

Nepal 2131 Leroy Place NW Kalorama

Description of property:

This is a Townhouse located at 2127 Leroy Place Northwest, Washington DC. 2127 Leroy Pl NW has 4 beds, 4 ½ baths, and approximately 4,368 square feet. The property was built in 1912. The average list price for similar homes for sale is $1,676,103 and the average sales price for similar recently sold homes is $1,325,000. 2127 Leroy Pl NW is in the Kalorama Heights neighborhood in Washington, DC. The average list price for Kalorama Heights is $1,877,285.

Shane Leslie:

Sir John Randolph Leslie, 3rd Baronet, generally known as Shane Leslie (24 September 1885 – 14 August 1971), was an Irish-born diplomat and writer. He was a first cousin of the British war time Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill. In 1908, Leslie converted to Roman Catholicism and supported Irish Home Rule.

In 1912 he married Marjorie Ide, the youngest daughter of Henry Clay Ide, the United States ambassador to Spain and Governor-General of The Philippines.

From 1916 to 1917, Sir Shane worked in Washington, D.C., with the British ambassador, Sir Cecil Arthur Spring-Rice, who was also endeavouring to soften Irish American hostility toward England, and to convince the U.S. of the urgency of declaring war against Germany. Sir Shane's work included the publication of a journal entitled "Ireland," as well as collaborating with Spring-Rice to establish a relationship between Washington and Westminster.

One of his boldest political moves was to implore the British politicians not to execute the leaders of the 1916 Easter rising in Dublin. Unfortunately his pleas went unheeded and sixteen outstanding Irishmen were shot, undermining the work he was doing to ease Anglo-Irish relations.

Shane Leslie – “Sublime Failure”:

From University of Vienna – Department of English:

https://anglistik.univie.ac.at/research/research-projects/shane-leslie/#c126077

Rauchbauer, Otto. Shane Leslie - Sublime Failure. Dublin: Lilliput Press, May 2009 (ca 320 pp, 24 illustr.)
ISBN-10: 1843511568 | ISBN-13: 978-1843511564
https://www.lilliputpress.ie
FWF Project no P18660
Project time frame: May 2006 - December 2007

Project Director and Team
Univ.-Prof. Dr. Otto Rauchbauer
Mag. Elisabeth Gruber
Mag. Andrea Mayr
Mag. Caty Novák
Description
A biography of Shane Leslie (1885-1971) is long overdue. Its subject was a descendant of an old Anglo-Irish family, with a network of relationships in Great Britain and the United States: Leslie was a first cousin of Winston Churchill, a politician with some relevance to Anglo-Irish and American relations, a prominent Catholic convert and apologist, a man of letters and a creative writer, also a journalist and literary critic of some note, a translator from the French and Gaelic, and an investigator of the paranormal. In addition, he was an exponent of bibliography involved in the transatlantic rare book trade, a Celtic scholar, a planter of trees and conservationist, a society man and brilliant conversationalist and keenly interested in Irish folklore.

The compiler of this biography believes that he can shed new light on a man who was well-known during his lifetime but whose character profile was probably unduly stereotyped because of his sometimes eccentric and histrionic lifestyle, while his strong analytic and intellectual gifts, brilliant wit and stylistic competence have been largely underrated.

Leslie's relationship with the American writer F. Scott Fitzgerald dates from the time of his first and second American tours 1911-1918, when he met him at the Catholic Newman School in New Jersey. In fact, Leslie's contacts with Fitzgerald and his publisher continued for many years in the 1920s and 1930s. Earlier, in 1917, the American writer had entrusted the dashing Anglo-Irish writer with the manuscript of his novel This Side of Paradise, asking him to represent his interests vis-à-vis his publisher. According to Leslie's subsequent instructions Fitzgerald revised the first draft of the novel and was thus firmly launched on a remarkable literary career.

Confirmation that this cover relates to Sir Shane Leslie, Irish Diplomat and Writer :

Email received from Professor Rauchbauer 04 January 2012:

Dear Mr Abbott,

Thank you for your email and your comments. The address of 2127 Le Roy Place was the home of Alice Longworth (née Rooseveldt), who was a lifelong friend of the Leslies (particularly Shane). The Leslies, as a family, lived in America between 1914 and 1919. Le Roy Place was Shane's usual address in Washington whenever he visited the capital for political contacts. I mention the link in my biography on p. 243, footnote 26.

I have no idea who the writer of this letter was; I thought for a moment that the handwriting resembles that of Shane, but this can be excluded from speculation since he only returned to Great Britain in 1919.

I have been wondering where you found this particular envelope, and whether you also have the letter in your possession?

Thank you for your query and your interest in Shane Leslie.
Yours sincerely,
Otto Rauchbauer

Am 03.01.2012 21:14, schrieb Barry Abbott:
Good Morning,
I have read – on the internet – of your work on Sir Shane Leslie’s biography.
The cover below suggests that it might have been addressed to his wife.
The sender’s name is partially obliterated by the censor tape.
Do you know if this could be correct?
The street in Washington seems to be in the Embassy district.
Regards
Barry Abbott
Arundel Queensland Australia


Alice Longworth. Owner of 2127 Le Roy Place:

Alice Lee Roosevelt Longworth (February 12, 1884 – February 20, 1980) was the oldest child of Theodore Roosevelt, the 26th President of the United States. She was the only child of Roosevelt and his first wife, Alice Hathaway Lee.

Longworth led an unconventional and controversial life. Despite her love for her legendary father, she proved to be almost nothing like him. Her marriage to Representative Nicholas Longworth (Republican-Ohio), a party leader and 43rd Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, was shaky, and the couple's only child was a result of her affair with Senator William Borah of Idaho. She temporarily became a Democrat during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, and proudly boasted in a 60 Minutes interview with Eric Sevareid broadcast February 17, 1974, that she was a "hedonist".

Of her quotable quotations, her most famous found its way to a pillow on her settee: "If you haven't got anything good to say about anybody, come sit next to me." To Senator Joseph McCarthy, who had jokingly remarked at a party, "Here's my blind date. I am going to call you Alice," she responded acidly, "Senator McCarthy, you are not going to call me Alice. The trashman and the policeman on my block call me Alice, but you may not." She informed President Lyndon B. Johnson that she wore wide-brimmed hats so he couldn't kiss her. On another occasion, asked by a Ku Klux Klansman in full regalia to take his word for something, she refused, saying "I never trust a man under sheets." And when a well-known Washington senator was discovered to have been having an affair with a young woman less than half his age, Mrs. Longworth quipped, "You can't make a soufflé rise twice."



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2127 Le Roy Place Washington DC
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Shane-Leslie 1911
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Sir Randolph - Shane - Leslie, 3rd. Bt - by Bassano
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Mrs. Shane Leslie
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Alice Roosevelt
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Theodore Roosevelt and family,1903
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Pres. and Mrs. Theodore Roosevelt seated on lawn, surrounded by their family; 1903. From left to right: Quentin, Theodore Sr., Theodore Jr., Archie, Alice, Kermit, Edith, and Ethel. Copyright.


Alice Roosevelt Christens Submarine "Theodore Roosevelt"
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Alice Roosevelt Longworth, daughter of US President, Theodore Roosevelt, after launching the USS Theodore Roosevelt (SSBN-600) at Mare Island on October 3, 1959. The shipyard's newspaper described the story of this picture. "She didn't do it, but she was supposed to -- break the champagne bottle on the bow of the Theodore Roosevelt, first Polaris submarine built on the West Coast, and launched at Mare Island on October 3, 1959. Mrs. Alice Roosevelt Longworth, daughter of the late President for whom the ship was named, was the sponsor. She was also the first, and last, Mare Island sponsor who declined a dress rehearsal for the launching ceremony. She missed the ship when she swung the bottle, and in desperation threw the bottle at the ship and missed again. Fortunately, a member of the crew up on the ship pulled the bottle up by the attached cable, and quickly smashed the bottle on the bow before the ship hit the water. He did a fine job as evidence by the broken bottle held by the tearful sponsor." In the photo Alice wears the costly string of pearls given her by the government of Cuba upon her marriage to Nicholas Longworth in 1906.
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CC559 F & R and CC560 F & R

From: Exp.(?) A. Wilmolte, 5c Butouillon du Génie (?), Bureau Postal No. 5, armee Celo?s d’occupation (?)

To: Miss Aime (?) Heber, 2145 Decatur Place, Washington, D.C. USA

Date: Black CDS indistinct “POSTES ?/??OUE/? 48?/3/3/?”

Stamps: None

Censor: Censor tape “OPENED BY/CENSOR/5275”

Markings: Pen “SM”?
Pencil notation “APRIL 1 1919”

Enclosure: Postcard “GELDERN. PENSIONAT”

“GELITERN LE 3 FEVRIER 1919(?)”

“Je vous envoi toute mes ….. (?)”

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(Bataillon du Genie?) (Possibly French 5th. Battalion of Engineers – part of 5th. Engineer Regiment)

Specialized in the work of railways, was based at Camp Crew at Versailles , connected to the rail network in Versailles Station - Crew .

The Codman-Davis House is a four-story, red brick, 1906, classical revival house in Washington, D.C. at 2145 Decatur Place NW (in the Kalorama neighborhood). It is listed in the National Register of Historic Places. The house is the residence of the Ambassador of Thailand.

The large and unusual red brick mansion that is situated at the northeast corner of Decatur Place and 22nd Street was built beginning in May of 1906 for a single woman named Miss Martha C. Codman. It was designed by her nephew, noted architect Ogden Codman, Jr., and built at a cost of an astonishing $80,000 when a typical townhouse at the time could be constructed for $4,500. The mansion, adjoining the celebrated Spanish Steps, today serves as the residence His Excellency Mr. Kittiphong Na Ranong, Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Kingdom of Thailand to the United States of America.

This is a Single-Family Home located at 2145 Decatur Place Northwest, Washington DC. 2145 Decatur Pl NW has 10 beds, 11 baths, and approximately 17,760 square feet. The property was built in 1908.

In 1938, the mansion was sold to Philippines Governor General Dwight Filley Davis (of the Davis cup fame).

Before becoming the Kingdom of Thailand’s ambassador’s residence, it was purchased and owned for a short time by Hungarian rags-to-riches immigrant Nicolas Salgo, the financier who built the Watergate complex.

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Codman Davis House 2145 Decatur Place Washington DC
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GELDERN. PENSIONAT 4170 Geldern Pensionat u. 1. Frau Geldern W4170 47608
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Ahoj bazza!

A few attempts at help.

Geldern is a town in Germany near the Dutch border. I think this card is from a soldier who was with the Belgian Occupation Force there at the end of WW1.
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CC559 F & R and CC560 F & R

From: Exp.(?) A. Wilmolte, 5c Butouillon du Génie (?), Bureau Postal No. 5, armee Celo?s d’occupation (?)

Exp(éditeur) = sender A Wilmolte (Wilmotte?), 5e (= 5th) Bataillon du Génie (= 5th Engineers batallion) Bureau Postal No. 5, armée belge d’occupation (= Belgian Occupation Force)

To: Miss Aime (?) Heber, 2145 Decatur Place, Washington, D.C. USA

Date: Black CDS indistinct “POSTES ?/??OUE/? 48?/3/3/?” Postes Militaires Belgique = Belgian Military Post

Stamps: None

Censor: Censor tape “OPENED BY/CENSOR/5275”

Markings: Pen “SM”?
Pencil notation “APRIL 1 1919”

Enclosure: Postcard “GELDERN. PENSIONAT”

“GELITERN (Geldern?) LE 3 FEVRIER 1919(?)”

“Je vous envoi toute mes ….. (?)”
I send you all of my best wishes as well as those of my family. I hope you are still in good health. I am keeping fine. Cordial greetings
Cheers,

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Thanks Honza

Can you decipher the writer's name on the postcard?

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Ahoj bazza!

I carefully avoided guessing at that :)

Could it be Clemente?

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Ahoj again bazza!

I was wondering why the name of the addressee was different from the name at the top of the card, but I have just decyphered the latter as 'marraine' godmother, so we now know the relationship - not a sweetheart :)

The first letter of the addressee seems to be the same letter as the first letter of the sender, but I can't read either.

Cheers again.

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PPS

Could the names be Anne and Alexandre?

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