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Sometimes described as either a local Stamp, or Cinderella Stamp.

Please see scan.

Can be Spacefiller or Rough condition - Mint or Used.

Can do A$1000 plus or minus based on condition.

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$1,000 ++++++++ for sure. And that would be for an absolutely defective DOGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG, torn in half. :lol:

It is a genuine local stamp not a "Cinderella" - carried covers or cover fragments exist.

What you show in your scan appears to be a totally worthless $5 ebay fake from the Eastern Bloc. :roll: :roll:
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GlenStephens wrote:$1,000 ++++++++ for sure. And that would be for an absolutely defective DOGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG, torn in half. :lol:

It is a genuine local stamp not a "Cinderella" - carried covers or cover fragments exist.
I live in hope as always.

Abacus auction 159 lot 234 went for A$750,on estimate A$1000 yes a roughie but where was I .

Chasing other stamps at that time so missed it, saw it on internet today. maybe the owner may want to part with it at a profit if he is a Stampboarder
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Savvy buyers of pricier stamps, who live in the real world, realise nothing 'goes' for $750 at large Public Auction.

It "goes" for close to $1,000 after all the buyer fees, postage, shipping and insurance and other gouges are added.

The obscure auction you outline was EIGHT years back. Amazon or google shares etc were a quarter of today's level - so what? It is irrelevant to late 2018.

Back in the REAL world, for those who do not live in Stamp Collector Dream Time, the most recent crappy looking ugly one with heaps of ripped out and scissored off perfs, they sold recently was invoiced at $2,650+ as it was a "T" Lot - again something most Dreamer buyers have no idea about -


https://www.prestigephilately.com/catlot.php?acode=282566&lo ... rt_sub=#wa

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Seems I will have to up my offer , that is within my budget so if there is one out there, take my money no commissions no fees no nothin just full payment Cash in your pocket.
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A pretty stamp (and pretty expensive!). Presumably that is a black swan?

Apparently the sighting of the black swan by early settlers/ explorers caused consternation in Europe as the swan had always been associated with "whiteness" and "purity"! (They even managed to be racist about birds!).

Of course, in U.K. (and Australia?) has led to pubs known colloquially as the "Mucky Duck"!
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dukeprince wrote:
Please see scan.

Can do A$1000 plus or minus per condition.

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OK, someone will to make money off you, if you think for a second that image is real, so here we go.

Send me $50 and these are yours -


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OldDuffer1 wrote:A pretty stamp (and pretty expensive!). Presumably that is a black swan?

The native Swans over there are Black as I recall. They are pretty common in WA.

Back to the real world (again) this is a VERY rare stamp, and of course will never sell for anything as low as $1000, except in the Wonderful World of ScamBay Stamp Fakers. Mint tête-bêche pairs do not exist except on ScamBay, nor does the mint ScamBay fake in your image#1.

Some background on these issues from one on my columns of many years back -

https://www.glenstephens.com/snmarch05.html

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None of the stamps below are listed in Stanley Gibbons, Scott or ASC type catalogues and are thus often overlooked by local and most especially, overseas collectors.

I smiled to see a Charles Leski Auction catalogue late 2004 feature the unique 1897 6d Lake Lefroy Goldfields Cycle Mail tête-bêche pair for his next auction.

I had bought and sold this item less than 20 years back - at about 10% of the current price.

The Leski Auction sold this pair illustrated nearby for $A21,275.


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The buyer? Leading auctioneer Gary Watson from Prestige Philately in Melbourne. Watson purchased it on behalf of a European collector client and added a modest profit margin on top of the price he paid, when he passed it on to his buyer.

I have no idea what he was invoiced, but if we guess at around $A25,000 I am sure we are pretty close to the mark.

"My client had authorised me to bid a lot higher than $21,275" Watson told me today.

"In fact, had I not been acting on instructions for that client I would have gladly paid that or more myself, and included it along with the superb Dr. Cecil Walkley 'Western Australia' we are offering later this year at Auction" he concluded.

Ten fold increase

I purchased this same pair in the mid 1980s, and paid around 10% of what Watson's client just paid. I sold it then to a Napa Valley (California) USA collector who specialised in 'Bicycles On Stamps'.

The local magazines at the time recorded this sale as being the highest price ever obtained by a 'Local' stamp issued by either Australia or any of the Australian States.

The pair was not in terrific condition, being slightly toned, and way off centre, but was unique. It may even have had some paper thinning, I really do not recall now, but the paper quality was atrocious.

The tête-bêche pair

It is roughly 'cancelled' in red pencil with the manuscript letters "H & M" ... denoting the owners of the service, Messers H. Lacy-Hillier and Frederic. E. Maskell.

The stamps were incredibly crudely printed, via a zinc block on almost coarse blotting paper by 'The Coolgardie Miner' newspaper office, and virtually all copies that I have sighted are horribly centred. It is estimated in the W.A. study group handbook that only about 20 examples exist worldwide, either mint or used.

They were in use for only about 3 months in early 1897 to carry mail by cycle to and from the new gold rush area of Lake Lefroy and Coolgardie. The Post Office had not yet commenced any service and the Cobb & Co coach was infrequent.

No full covers are known although a large parcel fragment is now recorded, and some used copies have the dated PO 'Coolgardie' CDS indicating they were once affixed to covers. Covers originating from the Lake to destinations outside Coolgardie needed to have applicable WA postage added, and doubtless some 6d 'Locals' got cancelled by Coolgardie PO in this process.


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Post Office ban

An official letter dated June 1897 from Mr Scholl, the Chief Postmaster at Perth WA warned the owners these 'local' stamps were illegal by saying 'Postage 6d' and thus breached postal regulations. He threatened to prosecute the cycle mail service if they persisted. All goldfields area Post Offices prominently placed up posters warning the public of this new edict, and the usage ceased.

The unique tête-bêche pair was discovered in 1972 laying hitherto unrecognised in an old collection in London, and was auctioned by Robson Lowe. It was purchased initially by one of Australia's most prominent philatelists, Mr John Gartner of Victoria.

John was well known to many on the Australian stamp scene, and published all the excellent Hawthorn Press series of detailed stamp monographs, as well as publishing the 'Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue' for a long time.

The Gartner's mansion in Mount Macedon was totally burnt to the ground in the horrific 1983 'Ash Wednesday' bushfires, and with it, his entire existing stamp collection. Some sections of which were International Gold Medal winners, most notable being his unsurpassed early Fiji collection. A tragic loss to philately.

To their credit John and Zelma rebuilt the house exactly as it had been, and as John once told me: 'we simply changed a few small features we never liked in the first house'.

And although a very elderly man at that time, John bravely ventured back into philately with a passion and started buying up Zanzibar and Zululand, as he argued he could then work BACKWARDS through the British Commonwealth alphabet if he lived long enough!

Gartner's mind boggling Western Australia collection was auctioned in April 1979 by Robson Lowe/Christies in Geneva, thankfully preceding the tragic bushfire, and contained one of the finest 4d 'Inverted Frames' to exist.

The Lake Lefroy tête-bêche pair sold for 5,400 Swiss Francs plus 10% buyer premium on an estimate of 3,250 Swiss francs. At the time £1Stg was worth 3.52 Swiss francs, so this sold for about £1,687 at that time.

I do not recall exactly where I bought the pair, but do recall it cost me only about 10% of the recent sale price to Gary Watson's client. My client in California passed away and the tête-bêche pair later ended up in the hands of well know British dealers Argyll Etkin Ltd.

The pair seems to have been in their stock for some time, and was finally consigned to the Leski Auction, where I believe it sold for a good deal more than their marked retail price!

A standing joke in the stamp world is that NO-ONE alive can afford to pay Eric's retail prices, and he has had the last laugh on this occasion.

So for those who eschew Locals and Cinderellas - think again. An AWFUL lot of glamour pieces from Australia have not increased in value 10 fold - or over $20,000 tax free, since 1985.

A challenge to someone might be to try and buy just 5 of the remaining single stamps - see how long THAT takes you. On average they sell for about $A1,000-A1,500 each, and in my view are an item with a LOT of upside potential. Used are scarcer than mint by my observation.

Having a swan as a strong central design feature makes them a sought after piece for serious 'Bird' thematic collectors, and there are VERY few issued 'Bird' items anywhere in the world from the 19th Century.
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It appears that I will have to increase my offer to buy price , thats OK thats not out of the question , my desire may well surpass my budget allocation, pretty normal for a collector of anything.

Any advice of where one may be found and purchase would be appreciated, just click on the small email button at bottom of this page or post here , best wishes and happy collecting, john
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dukeprince wrote:It appears that I will have to increase my offer to buy price , thats OK thats not out of the question , my desire may well surpass my budget allocation, pretty normal for a collector of anything.

Any advice of where one may be found and purchase would be appreciated, just click on the small email button at bottom of this page or post here , best wishes and happy collecting, john
Update ,I have some funds at this time email me and throw me a price, remember zero cost to you you get the total $$$$ in your bank same day.
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dukeprince wrote:It appears that I will have to increase my offer to buy price , thats OK thats not out of the question , my desire may well surpass my budget allocation, pretty normal for a collector of anything.

Any advice of where one may be found and purchase would be appreciated, just click on the small email button at bottom of this page or post here , best wishes and happy collecting, john
Update ,I have some funds at this time email me and throw me a price, remember zero cost to you you get the total $$$$ in your bank same day.
The most recent realisation was the Corinphila result for an example from Besancon collection, November 2018.

A good unused example, it made SF3800 (approx AU$6000 with add-ons).

Further above, it's mentioned: A genuine local stamp not a "Cinderella" - carried covers or cover fragments exist [my emphasis]

Now, a cover I would love to see.

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Possibly a fitting reminder that an inferior Stamp is OK for me, someone must have or know of one someplace, please help an old guy out.
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Just a reminder , still looking to buy, any clues anyone?
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I still require this 6d lake lefroy, any information appreciated.
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This one sold in the US in December 2018. I didn't notice it at the time.
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US$4,000 + Buyer's Premium (20%) = AUD $6,800

Interestingly Abacus Auctions recently had a "Tamiami" auction, possibly the unsold lots from the US?
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the tête-bêche pair later ended up in the hands of well-known British dealers Argyll Etkin Ltd.

The pair seems to have been in their stock for some time, and was finally consigned to the Leski Auction, where I believe it sold for a good deal more than their marked retail price!
There is a first time for everything! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Shields Stamps and Coins in Victoria currently advertise one on their website. Whether it is actually in stock is a different story. Guessing you already know about this one?

https://www.shieldsstampsandcoins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7919


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1897 Lake Lefroy Goldfield Bicycle Service A Rare Local Issue

$5,950.00


Lake Lefroy Goldfield Bicycle Service 1897 (April): Lithographed at the 'Coolgardie Miner & Pioneer' Printing Office, Lake Lefroy Goldfield 6 d. rose red on yellowish buff paper with green reverse, perf. 12, a fine unused example, with margin at side and top. A rare Local issue in much above average quality.

Note: The service ran from Lake Lefroy to Coolgardie, a distance of 45 miles, Kalgoorlie and other local Goldfield camps. It was finally closed down in June 1897 when the Government mailcoach service commenced to Red Hill.

The stamps were printed by the photo-zinc process in sheetlets of four stamps arranged vertically tête-bêche.
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Leski had this one way back.
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Lot 1663 Auction #423 27/06/2013


Estimate: $6,000-8,000 Unsold



1896 LAKE LEFROY GOLDFIELD CYCLE MAIL 6D PINK ON SLIGHTLY GREENISH PAPER WITH CHARACTERISTIC MIS-ALIGNED PERFORATIONS. DESPITE EXPANDING POST OFFICE SERVICES LAKE LEFROY, NEAR THE KALGOORLIE GOLDFIELDS, REMAINED UNSERVICED UNTIL THIS LOCAL POST WAS ESTABLISHED IN LATE 1896. IT OPERATED UNTIL JUNE 1897 WHEN THE POSTMASTER IN PERTH CLAIMED THIS SERVICE CONTRAVENED POSTAL REGULATIONS AND THREATENED PRESECUTION.

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Yes 6-7K is about the mark these days, for something remotely decent in the 1897 West Australia 6d Lake Lefroy Goldfields local stamps.

15 years back these fetched around a quarter of that.

Living in the past I could have bought Westpac shares for $1 each, but that is hardly relevant in 2019. You just need to bite the bullet and pay market price if you want one, or they will be $10,000 each before you know it.

Rare stamps in high demand do not get cheaper over time. :idea:
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MJ's pet wrote:This one sold in the US in December 2018. I didn't notice it at the time.
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US$4,000 + Buyer's Premium (20%) = AUD $6,800

Interestingly Abacus Auctions recently had a "Tamiami" auction, possibly the unsold lots from the US?
Murray Sherry ("Tamiami") sold some of his collection in U.S., and some through Abacus.

He would have been wiser to sell it all in Australia.

That cancelled Lake Lefroy is far rarer than unused examples.

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He would have been wiser to sell it all in Australia.

That cancelled Lake Lefroy is far rarer than unused examples.

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$6,800 is still good money for one.

If by cancelled you mean with the Coolgardie cds rather than the mss, I agree. Unused are more plentiful than those with mss cancels.

There is a Pope census of these.
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Tony Shields still has his mint 6d Lake Lefroy ... :roll: :roll:
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MJ's pet wrote:Tony Shields still has his mint 6d Lake Lefroy ... :roll: :roll:
Knowing Tony's legendary pricing structure, the top left corner is an optional extra $2,000. :lol:

Perhaps he can earmark a portion of that to buy a new scanner. :idea: The 1990s relic that produced this dark blob needs to be retired FAST. :)
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This scan done 15 years back shows the REAL colour of this 6d Lake Lefroy Local stamp.
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MJ's pet wrote:Tony Shields still has his mint 6d Lake Lefroy ... :roll: :roll:
Knowing Tony's legendary pricing structure, the top left corner is an optional extra $2,000. :lol:

Perhaps he can earmark a portion of that to buy a new scanner. :idea: The 1990s relic that produced this dark blob needs to be retired FAST. :)


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This scan done 15 years back shows the REAL colour of this 6d Lake Lefroy Local stamp.



I have viewed Tonys stamp at a WA stamp event a month or two ago , it is almost as dark as scanned. I actually asked if the paper was correct for the stamp, his reply from my recollection was something like perhaps more than one paper was used.

I tend to think it has been stored next to something that has darkened it much like very old type album paper darkens badly over time.

He also had a used one much lighter in paper colour , more like I would expect, these are the only two I have seen in the flesh .

I have a question. does the greenish paper fade over time or was the greenish paper as described in Catalogue listings barely greenish in the first place.

So I am still looking for a second grade or even damaged one, over A$2000 is waiting in the bank, or we can negotiate further.
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I have viewed Tonys stamp at a WA stamp event a month or two ago, it is almost as dark as scanned, I actually asked if the paper was correct for the stamp, his reply from my recollection was something like perhaps more than one paper was used.
Tony really should double his asking price, as his is clearly UNIQUE on the dark paper! :lol: :lol:

Hmmm.

I've owned many over the year and the greenish hue paper is not evident on them all. But often the horrid gum has been washed off etc so it may vanish in water,
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dukeprince wrote: I actually asked if the paper was correct for the stamp , his reply from my recollection was something like perhaps more than one paper was used.
This is complete guesswork of course. You may be right about the "storage" issue.
dukeprince wrote: He also had a used one much lighter in paper colour , more like I would expect, these are the only two I have seen in the flesh.
This "other" example is not on Tony's website, but that is no great shock.

A stamp has to be in his stock for at least 25 years before it gets elevated to his website! :lol: :lol:

How much was the "retail" price of the lighter example?
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A PS. to the Tony Shield's "dark" example.

This stamp is said to be "a fine unused example" so there is no gum on the back to darken it up. :idea:
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For once, Dave Elsmore's website (which looks like it is from 1995!) prices the Lake Lefroy stamp about right. He must own one of those. :roll:

The pricing of the tete-beche pair is wildly under though. Only about $10,000 out. Oh well. He mustn't own one of those. :roll:

While a "defective" example may be worth less, what is defective when it comes to this stamp? What is worth a "premium" for the stamp?

Most of them have condition issues of some kind - some are off-centre, and many have some missing perfs.
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Chartwell, Spink 23 May 2018 Lot 421
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The catalogues have always said these are printed in "red".

Some look red, but others look "salmon".

Is this just bad scanning and colour reproduction in the old auction catalogues? (Or different printings?).
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Corinphila Besançon Collection (part 2) May-June 2018 Lot 3579
Start CHF 350 Hammer CHF 4,000 + 20% = AUD $6,430

*currency conversion as at date of auction, 2 June 2018
Lake Lefroy Goldfield Bicycle Service 1897 (April): Lithographed at the 'Coolgardie Miner & Pioneer' Printing Office, Lake Lefroy Goldfield 6 d. rose red on yellowish buff paper with green reverse, perf. 12, a fine unused example. A rare Local issue in much above average quality.

Note: The service ran from Lake Lefroy to Coolgardie, a distance of 45 miles, Kalgoorlie and other local Goldfield camps. It was finally closed down in June 1897 when the Government mailcoach service commenced to Red Hill. The stamps were printed by the photo-zinc process in sheetlets of four stamps arranged vertically tête-bêche.
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Start CHF 750 Hammer CHF 1,400 + 20% = AUD $2,250
*currency conversion as at date of auction, 2 June 2018
Lake Lefroy Goldfield Bicycle Service 1897 (April): Lithographed at the 'Coolgardie Miner & Pioneer' Printing Office, Lake Lefroy Goldfield 6 d. rose red on yellowish buff paper with green reverse, perf. 12, the extraordinary used example on large part piece of cover to a Mr. G. Liffey, somewhat creased and stained at edges, cancelled in manuscript "H&M" in red ink (Hillier & Maskell). Extremely rare in genuinely used condition.

Note: The service ran from Lake Lefroy to Coolgardie, a distance of 45 miles, Kalgoorlie and other local Goldfield camps. It was finally closed down in June 1897 when the Government mailcoach service commenced to Red Hill. The stamps were printed by the photo-zinc process in sheetlets of four stamps arranged vertically tête-bêche.
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A mint example, in an exhibit of Local Posts from Britain, here (low rez though):

https://www.britishthematic.org.uk/kcfinder/upload/files/Sole%208-compressed.pdf
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Any covers out there?

In such absence, it's difficult to rate this item as anything more than a philatelic confection; one of many in the 1890s philatelic boom.

Earlier "Locals", such as Victoria's 1850s Burdell & Co, do exist on more intact articles than one sees for the Lake Lefroy:


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MJ's pet wrote:
Phoenix Auctions, #40 10-11 Sept 2015 Lot 1401 Est: $5,000

How does an offering FOUR years back assist this member trying to buy one TODAY ????

We could list 50 past sales - how does any of that assist him?

As has been pointed out above - you seem to have missed it - prices of these have increased solidly in recent years. :idea:
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Hi,

You may want to check the current Corinphila Auction--June 11-17, 2019:

https://stampauctionnetwork.com/co/co234137.cfm


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Lot 3716.

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There are two in the upcoming Corinphila auction (11 June 2019), mint and used.

Dukeprince can now finally put us all out of our misery and actually buy one, instead of perpetually tyre-kicking. :idea:

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Anyone who has been following these Corinphila sales know the estimates are absurdly low.

As Rod and I have reported recently, they very often fetch 5 to 10 times the silly estimates, and then the Swiss add on about 30% for buyer fees, card fees, export VAT taxes and wacky shipping prices.

And then the ozzie Government charges you 10% local VAT upon entry.

Any 500 Franc ''estimate'' can cost you $5000 landed.
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All of the above sales I linked above will show a current auction price of these is around $5,000 - $6,000 mint or used.

The start price is CHF750 (=AUD$1,080), not 500. The Buyer's Premium is 21%, not 30%. There are no "wacky" export charges or zany shipping fees.

Agree the estimates are very modest and these stamps will probably still fetch $5-$6K each with BP.

Which is why it is doubtful that dukeprince with his "$2,000 in the bank, ready to go" is even in the race. :roll:
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agondocz wrote:Hi,

You may want to check the current Corinphila Auction--June 11-17, 2019:

https://stampauctionnetwork.com/co/co234137.cfm .
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Lot 3716.

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Thanks Andrew, 2 are for sale, 1 mint 1 used, 1 is thinned and the other has 2 thins , perhaps I am in with a chance.

Hammer price plus 21 % it seems.

Anyone know if they accept Paypal ?
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MJ's pet wrote: There are no "wacky" export charges or zany shipping fees.
Well you believe what you will. I have PROOF you are totally wrong. And they add abut 4% on top for card payment, and your bank charges you another 3% overseas fee, plus a 3% fake exchange rate.

A friend got clobbered $1500 in oz GST earlier year from Corinphila. But again I must be wrong about that. Stay warm and happy in your little collector dream world bubble, if you think you only PAY 21% of what you bid. I repeat it is more like 30% above your bid, in the real world that real buyers live in. And 10% GST on top if clobbered on way in.
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You are not a customer of Corinphila.
export VAT taxes and wacky shipping prices
There are no export VAT taxes to Australia. Nor are the shipping prices "wacky". They are quite normal and reasonable.

Whether a buyer pays a card fee depends entirely upon whether they pay by card. It is up to them.
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dukeprince wrote:Anyone know if they accept Paypal ?
*slaps palm to forehead* It is not a usual way of paying - but Corinphila are extremely professional so they might arrange that for you. And maybe they will also take a handful of beans like Jack and the Beanstalk as payment too.

Or instead of looking like a complete hillbilly, why don't you pay by direct transfer from your bank?

You are obviously on a budget for this purchase, yet you want to pay by Paypal and smash yourself with Paypal fees? Huh?
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MJ's pet wrote: why don't you pay by direct transfer from your bank?
Probably because he knows the bank charge him a $25 fee and screw him an extra 3% or 4% via the usual bank fake exchange rate.

Oh Wait .. none of this stuff occurs in the MJ Pet like cocoon! No insurance fees, no GST, no taxes - it all all collector Dream La La Land stuff!

Anyway these of course will sell for several times what our friend wants to pay so all moot really. :lol:
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If you use XE instead of a bank, you will get a much better rate, saving about 3%
I use it all the time and no problems,



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dukeprince wrote:Anyone know if they accept Paypal ?
*slaps palm to forehead* It is not a usual way of paying - but Corinphila are extremely professional so they might arrange that for you. And maybe they will also take a handful of beans like Jack and the Beanstalk as payment too.

Or instead of looking like a complete hillbilly, why don't you pay by direct transfer from your bank?

You are obviously on a budget for this purchase, yet you want to pay by Paypal and smash yourself with Paypal fees? Huh?
This Hillbilly has several $K sitting in Paypal that the real leader of the house Knows nothing about, get it!

Whatever anyones budget is has no infuence on your life whatever, nor does how many Beans I wish to exchange for Stamps , its not wise to guess what people think or do with their lives Mr forehead slapper.
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MJ's pet wrote:There are two in the upcoming Corinphila auction (11 June 2019), mint and used.

Dukeprince can now finally put us all out of our misery and actually buy one, instead of perpetually tyre-kicking. :idea:

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