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Hello !
I am new to this forum and if I am doing something wrong then don't scold me too much !
Last year I bought a large lot of stamps and postage envelopes from old Greece and the Ottoman Empire. Among them are non-postage stamps. If you can help me identify them, I will gradually show everything in this thread.

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Here are some stamps, on the first stamp the text is most likely in Armenian
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I know this one. Donation stamp (receipt) for war efforts. Ottoman Empire. 1915. Seems to be in poor shape. It says "postage stamp" on the inscription, but never had postal validity.
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Thanks for the information ! Here are some more stamps
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a few more pieces
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Harryk wrote:
17 Nov 2020 10:10
a few more pieces
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The two on the left, early Turkish Republic, the others are Ottoman Empire revenue stamps.

From left to right: 60 Paras (1.5 piastres), 6 paras (6/40 Piastre), others are 2 piastres.

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Harryk wrote:
17 Nov 2020 10:04
Thanks for the information ! Here are some more stamps
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Court fees from 1883, but incomplete. These are se-tenant with a second smaller portion on the left.

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Thanks again !
This I think is also the usual revenue stamp of the Ottoman Empire ?
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Harryk wrote:
17 Nov 2020 10:49
Thanks again !
This I think is also the usual revenue stamp of the Ottoman Empire?
Court and notary fees

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will continue
on the middle stamp date 5 April 1880
(Cons ... = Constantinople?)
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Harryk wrote:
17 Nov 2020 11:12
will continue
on the middle stamp date 5 April 1880
(Cons ... = Constantinople?)
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Left: passport revenue

The other two regular revenue stamps

The one in the middle: yes, cancelled with the mark of a company in Constantinople.

The one on the right: 10 paras for transactions less than 100 piastres, overprinted "twofold price increase"

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last scan for today
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Harryk wrote:
17 Nov 2020 11:31
last scan for today
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Top three left: revenues for the benefit of the construction of Hejaz Railroad

Pink one: court and notary

The six bigger ones: Municipality of Istanbul

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Thank you very much for your help !!!
This is a good book for revenue stamps of the Ottoman Empire ?
https://www.amazon.com/Revenue-Stamps-Ottoman-Turkish-Republic/dp/6051250840

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Harryk wrote:
17 Nov 2020 11:45
Thank you very much for your help !!!
This is a good book for revenue stamps of the Ottoman Empire ?
https://www.amazon.com/Revenue-Stamps-Ottoman-Turkish-Republic/dp/6051250840
You're welcome :)

It's a good book, just don't believe the quotes.

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Number-O-Ne wrote:
16 Nov 2020 13:21
I know this one. Donation stamp (receipt) for war efforts. Ottoman Empire. 1915. Seems to be in poor shape. It says "postage stamp" on the inscription, but never had postal validity.
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Hello Number-O-Ne, you have made some very helpful posts in this thread,
telling us explicit details about the Ottoman revenues and cinderellas. It appears that you can read the
Turkish inscriptions, written in Arabic script. If that is a correct reading of your abilities, may I invite and
encourage you to make some relevant posts on the Stamps and Languages thread?
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=90529&start=566

Because the Arabic calligraphy is such an artform, and Turkish is a language with which I have minimal
acquaintance, it is barely at the edge of my ability to transcribe and transliterate and translate the text
on Ottoman stamps. Input to the Stamps and Languages thread by an expert would be very helpful. :D

A final comment, on the Turkish cinderella receipt stamp: those of us who collect cinderellas are accustomed
to such stamps surviving in less than pristine condition. Unlike their postage stamp cousins, cinderellas have
traditionally attracted few collectors, so relatively few copies of any issue have been preserved, and the
survivors in many cases have only survived by accident or good luck. Thus, survivors in modest condition
are usually still quite collectable, especially when there are few or none known in better condition.

/RogerE :D

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Harryk wrote:
16 Nov 2020 13:15
... The first stamp's text is most likely in Armenian
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I have added a post about this stamp in the Stamps and Languages thread, at
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=90529&start=567

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Some more new scans.
Judging by the inscription "Colis postal", these are stamps for parcels ?
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There are two overprinted stamps. Text on the first stamp in Bulgarian
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Harryk wrote:
23 Nov 2020 14:40
There are two overprinted stamps. Text on the first stamp in Bulgarian
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These are not overprints.

Newspaper revenue stamps. Affixed on the blank printing paper, and canceled when the newspaper is printed.

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Harryk wrote:
23 Nov 2020 14:37
Some more new scans.
Judging by the inscription "Colis postal", these are stamps for parcels ?

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Revenue stamps for payment of the customs duties on postal parcels. Belongs to the port authority on the Asian side of Istanbul (Haydarpaşa). This is the nicest group of the thread so far :)

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All these stamps were on one sheet, I did not take them off
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Playing card revenues

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For matches
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These three bigger ones are for construction of Hijaz Railway
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The rest probably general / national revenue.

A few may be different, but I can't read because of low resolution. Like the blue one on right upper corner, and a few on left lower corner.

I don't recognize the overprint, either. Need a higher resolution detailed scan that will allow me to see and read the details.

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Thank you so much !!! Tomorrow I will make separate large scans

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You're welcome :)

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Number-O-Ne wrote:
23 Nov 2020 15:12
For matches

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The denomination for the stamp on the left is 5 lira (at top: "lira 5 lira")
The denomination for the stamp on the right might be one (?) lira, in the lower inscription line.
The first word looks to me like اون or لون
Perhaps Number-O-Ne can correct that second reading attempt for us...

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The one on the right is 10 Para, the yellow one is 5 Para

1 kuruş (piastre) = 40 Para

100 kuruş = 1 Lira.

The Lira in Ottoman Empire was a very high denomination, used for accounting and not in daily life. Common currency unit was kuruş.

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Thank you Number-O-Ne!

My mistake with the unit of currency was to read it as اره [l(i)r(a)h] rather than پاره = پ اره [par(a)h]
The diacritic consisting of a triangular group of dots was unfamiliar to me.
Following your correction, I have now learnt that p = پ is a special Turkic phoneme/grapheme.
As for the second stamp, evidently اون [-un] is the Turkish number word 'on' — ten .

This commentary might still need some further correction or discussion.
Please contribute anything appropriate Number-O-Ne.

By the way, I found this Wikipedia site on how Arabic script was adapted to write Turkish:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turkish_alphabet
This includes the relevant comment:
The Ottoman Turkish script is a Turkish form of the Perso-Arabic script. Well suited to writing Arabic and Persian borrowings, it was poorly suited to native Turkish words. ... Still, Turkic languages such as Azerbaijani and Uzbek continue to be written using Arabic script in Iran, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
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Another Hijaz Railway. Is its color the effect of the sun ?
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I made some larger scans.
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also among the stamps there were several of these,
Are these ordinary promotional cigarette labels ?
cigarette labels
cigarette labels
cigarette labels
cigarette labels
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Harryk wrote:
24 Nov 2020 13:07
also among the stamps there were several of these,
Are these ordinary promotional cigarette labels ?
Yes. Looks like it

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Harryk wrote:
24 Nov 2020 13:01
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The vertical one, regular revenue.

The other three with overprints: 5 kuruş playing card revenues

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Harryk wrote:
24 Nov 2020 12:59
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The blue one: revenue for internal passport

We discussed this particular type of document here

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?p=6874439#p6874439

Message dated 4 Nov 2020. You see the orange colored version of this stamp on the document

The other one is a 20 para regular revenue

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Food ration coupon, probably from WW1 period
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Harryk wrote:
24 Nov 2020 12:55
Another Hijaz Railway. Is its color the effect of the sun ?
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I would agree

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Number-O-Ne wrote:
23 Nov 2020 14:44
Harryk wrote:
23 Nov 2020 14:40
There are two overprinted stamps. Text on the first stamp in Bulgarian
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These are not overprints.

Newspaper revenue stamps. Affixed on the blank printing paper, and canceled when the newspaper is printed.
Hi Harryk,

Here's an example of an Ottoman revenue stamp used this way on a Greek-language newspaper from Crete:
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RogerE wrote:
24 Nov 2020 04:16
Thank you Number-O-Ne!

My mistake with the unit of currency was to read it as اره [l(i)r(a)h] rather than پاره = پ اره [par(a)h]
The diacritic consisting of a triangular group of dots was unfamiliar to me.
Following your correction, I have now learnt that p = پ is a special Turkic phoneme/grapheme.
As for the second stamp, evidently اون [-un] is the Turkish number word 'on' — ten .

This commentary might still need some further correction or discussion.
Please contribute anything appropriate Number-O-Ne.

By the way, I found this Wikipedia site on how Arabic script was adapted to write Turkish:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turkish_alphabet
This includes the relevant comment:
The Ottoman Turkish script is a Turkish form of the Perso-Arabic script. Well suited to writing Arabic and Persian borrowings, it was poorly suited to native Turkish words. ... Still, Turkic languages such as Azerbaijani and Uzbek continue to be written using Arabic script in Iran, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
/RogerE :D
Turkish and Arabic are different languages. The Arabic alphabet was developed for Arabic. When it got "borrowed" by the Turks and Persians (Iran still uses it, Turkey does not), new letters were needed for sounds that did not exist in Arabic. An example is "P", another example is "ch". Turkish language sometimes borrowed from Farsi, sometimes found own creative ways.
The word "on" = ten shows a typically Turkish rule of spelling where ا in front of waw ؤ becomes "O"
اؤن
Arabic language takes vowels for granted, while in Turkish language every vowel has its own place.
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Thanks Number-O-Ne :D

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You're welcome.

My Latin alphabet analogy to explain the differences between Arabic language and Turkish written in Arabic letters is English and Polish:

Both use Latin letters, but Polish has its own version of some letters that give different sounds, and someone cannot go far in understanding Polish if all they speak is English

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The plain stamp is lottery revenue.

I couldn't find any information on the overprint.

Maybe about the lottery drawing #116?
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Harryk wrote:
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Harryk wrote:
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Look like general revenue stamps

Upper line the two on the right, and lower line third left are the oldest ones. Proportional fees from 1875

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Number-O-Ne, Thank you very much for the detailed information and the time spent on me !

I have some more old postage stamps with cancellation of the Ottoman Empire.
I saw a similar topic somewhere here, tomorrow I will make scans and post here on the forum.

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